Being all natural is getting tougher and tougher.

[b fold the truth]

lol @ Ronnie Coleman being natural

lol

Pro bodybuilders NEVER come off HIGH doses of many different drugs...EVER. They don't have an off-season where they come off for 6 months...nada....EVER.

Most competitive people that I know in bodybuilding as well as strength relates sports...NEVER come off either.

B True

 

[collegiateLifter]

Show me a legitimate study that has shown that there ARE health risks directly related to AS usage.

That is exactly my point. There is no legitimate evidence at this time to support either side therefore its not right to say that there are significant health risks and similarly it is not right to say there are no significant health risks at all.

It is all speculation at this point.

 

[Tweakle]

I think young protobe mayb be pulling our chains a little.

I don't know about directly related health risks beyond a depressed immune system but the sides are what put me off, especially MPB... I'd like to keep my hair into my 30's at least.

Other than that I don't see a problem with it, but returning to natural training after a period of accellrated growth isnt going to be easy.

 

[JOKER47]

That is exactly my point. There is no legitimate evidence at this time to support either side therefore its not right to say that there are significant health risks and similarly it is not right to say there are no significant health risks at all.

It is all speculation at this point.

You might have stated this along with your pretty strong statements regarding the presumed ill effects of using AS.

The way I read your posts was the same way the media reports silimilar information. Technically true statements, but presented in such a way as to lead the reader to a their desired conclusion. Rather than an unbiased conclusion.

 

[protobe]

bro i'm not saying he doesn't juice but does he do a lot of the shit i see done here. I don't think so not the stuff that stays in your system like deca. theres no doubt that he juices look at him look at his workout scheme i'm just saying that he doesn't do the shit like the day b4 Mr.O they have really cracked down on that shit.

 

[Assertive Guy]

Hmn

lol

Pro bodybuilders NEVER come off HIGH doses of many different drugs...EVER. They don't have an off-season where they come off for 6 months...nada....EVER.

Most competitive people that I know in bodybuilding as well as strength relates sports...NEVER come off either.

B True

How true is this?? I mean, I know some pple on steriods for other health problems, and their toe nails dry up and fall off n shit. This cant be right. How can a doctor do a worse cycling of steriods than a bb?? Unlikely?

 

[rbrown]

I was chatting w/ my bud who is my age 33/34. He has competed numerous times in various wieght classes and has been using AS for years. We were just chatting about routines and nutrition when the topic of injuries came up. What was fascinating to me is that during the 15 years we had both been training my friend had very few injuries, aches, pains etc.

He was congratulating me on my persistance in training without juice for so long. But, he went on to ask a question that I never really asked myself. " Have you made any gains in the last few years" It took me a while to realize that the answer was, " Not all that much". Yet, my training volume has increased, wieght has increased, diet is far better. Is it father time knocking on my door.

Many of you will say 33 is very young, and I agree. But...have I maxed my body naturally?? Am I in a mode of maintaining?

My friend explained that at our age it becomes an uphill battle because you are, essentially, fighting gravity. He on the other hand has made great gains at his age using AS with very little injury. His joints feel great, hes lean and in general, feels like an 18 year old.

I must admit, I am jealous, not so much of his build but of his feeling of youth again. I sent him a picture of myself, he has not seen me in 10 years by the way, and he almost died when he saw my body. He said that with just alittle help, I could compete. This was very shocking to me because I always trained with those that were ALL natural. I actually felt a sense of well being hearing this from him, a competitor, one that has grown both naturally and w/ anabolics.

I guess its the old age battle of looking for the fountain of youth. I am sure that when I go to train w/ FranK Zane in feb he will enlighten me on what the age process means from a former Mr Olympia.

Anyway, for all of you that have trained naturally for so many years I applaud you. I am now in a self battle of going to the other side. I can honestly say that I have tried it all, in every form. Maybe now its time for a little help. Time will tell

What is you goal? Why would you use? So you can win some local bodybuilding show? So you can stroke your ego by having bigger arms? Not worth it in my opinion, especially given that possession of most of these drugs is a serious crime assuming you are in the US. What would your wife or job or kids think if you were busted buying or possessing it? For some reason the strength community has no problem rationalizing away the fact that they are illegal. Do we do the same for cocaine or heroin? The law does not really view them that much differently.

For me it is not worth it for a number of other reasons that I will not go into on a public forum; other than to say that I too am almost 31 and have made great strength gains for the last few years and there is no real end in sight. I also have some friends that are natural bodybuilders and look great. Are they as big as Ronnie--no where close, but because of their diet and discipline they look incredible and win shows. Although I love the iron game; when I can no longer move forward naturally, I will hang it up, say it was a good ride and do something else with what I hope will be another 50 plus years.

As for the studies, I'm not sure that proving AAS steroid side effects is really a focus in the scientific community. It is also something that I have not looked into. My gut tells me that some moderate use for a reasonable amount of time will not do much harm if you do not have some genetic predisposition--for cancer, heart valve weakness, whatever. No one knows if they have these things. However, I will say that I personally know two guys (one 28 and another 30) that have died. Was it because of the steroids they used? I didn't conduct a study, but they were both freakishly big, admitted to using a lot and died. I don't know any other guys that are 28 and 30 just dropping dead of heart attacks and aorta coming off.

If you choose to use, I can understand the temptation and although it may sound different from my post above, I do not disrespect those who choose to use. I hope you can get over it. If you do not, at least educate yourself. Ronnie has Dr.s telling him what to take. Most strongmen and local bodybuilders are just taking whatever crap their friend got for them and don't really know what they are doing. Much more dangerous in my uneducated opinion.

my 2 cents.

 

[Cuthbert]

Re: Re: Being all natural is getting tougher and tougher.

I also have some friends that are natural bodybuilders and look great.

thanks for the props ryan

 

[guldukat]

Re: Hmn

How true is this?? I mean, I know some pple on steriods for other health problems, and their toe nails dry up and fall off n shit. This cant be right. How can a doctor do a worse cycling of steriods than a bb?? Unlikely?

It's true. B Fold is known as B True, after all

There are a handful of pros who do go off juice for months at a time, I think...judging by the amount of weight Kevin Levrone drops between shows in recent years, he would seem to be an example of such.

Note "an example" and "handful of pros," though. He's the exception to the rule.

Not that I have any problems with that. Responsible use (if any) is better for a lot of reasons, but on some level I can appreciate the "by any means necessary" monsters too. What they accomplish might be far out of my reach but it's inspirational nonetheless.

-Sean "Dukat" R.

 

[JT Iron]

bro i'm not saying he doesn't juice but does he do a lot of the shit i see done here. I don't think so not the stuff that stays in your system like deca. theres no doubt that he juices look at him look at his workout scheme i'm just saying that he doesn't do the shit like the day b4 Mr.O they have really cracked down on that shit.

Who's gonna test him? Joe Weider? Weider makes money off of Coleman.