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[Red Bull]

Hello chaps.

First post here. I trained muay thai for a fair number of years and was lucky enough to go to a very good gym in N. London. Have also dabbled in judo, and arnis/escrima - purely for weapons.

Now, for the first time, I am boxing. Just plain old boxing. And to boil the whole thing down, I don't think I could put it any simpler than to say...christ, if i could go back in time and start from the age of 11 - it would be boxing only (for 5 - 7 years at least).

Does anyone share these feelings? Anbody starting to focus more on their boxing? Would be interested to hear..,

Cheers.

p.s. Big PACMAN fan. Come Jan., i reckon Morales is gonna have a shock...

 

[MikeMartial]

Welcome to EF, Red Bull! Hope to see you around a lot.

I often think how my training would change had I started a lot younger. The old cliche "If I knew then what I knew now..."-----yes, I would just concetrate on boxing for a while.

In the whole scheme of MMA, it's just one component, if you will, but a very important one. Just look how fast a fight can be decided by quick and powerful hands (Quarry vs Franklin).

 

[Djimbe]

All I have to say is this :

THe best thing you can do is start a child you know off earlier than you were started .

Theyll thank you later .

 

[Kane Fan]

I like Boxing
I'm really more comfortable with grappling then I thought I would be when I started tho
no matter what I could have started in, I wish I would have started younger to
or even just kept up with it from when I had started instead of taking an 8 year break
*sigh*

 

[KA-BAR]

Regarding the boxing. It’s a very small tool in NHB. You need everything. muay thai fighters would destroy a plain boxer in a muay thai fight. They have more tools. If you look at the history and how everything has evolved Wrestlers pretty much dominate because of CONTROL. Everything has evolved to such a level these days if you want to be top level you have to be very good at everything.

Wrestling
Sub
Muey thia
Boxing
You have to be able to take a shot
You have to have cardio
And you have to have HEART

You have to have them all and practice them all with other top level competitors.

 

[Kane Fan]

boxing is not a small part of nhb fighting
in nhb fights people often strike with fists and try to avoid same
both of those aspects are big in boxing

 

[KA-BAR]

Boxing is a tiny part in NHB and anyone who has the first clue about MMA will agree with me. Hell I am not boxer at all and I have taken many boxers down at will in practice. If you are a one dimensional fighter especially having no ground game any grapper will pown you. You are close enough to strike you are close enough to get taken to the ground.

What is a boxer going to do when he is on his back where all his tools are gone? For the most part grapplers dominate because of control.

Many pro boxers have been called out to NHB but they will have nothing to do with it because they know what will happen. Sure they get paid more but eventually boxing will be taken over by NHB. Boxing will be a thing of the past. MMA i.e. UFC, Pride, KOTC will swallow it up. NHB is the closest sport you can get to the real deal.

I laugh when they announce boxers saying he is the best pound for pound fighter in the world. lol what a joke. Best boxer in the the world maybe but far from the best fighter. Boxing is not fighting. It’s boxing.

Boxer gets taken to the ground with no skills at all it’s so so easy to toy with them. They will roll over and I just set my hooks in and just as matter of time before the rear naked choke comes. True MMA guys know what I am talking about. I honestly would rather fight a pro boxer than a world class sub wrester and I am not a good boxer at all.

boxing is not a small part of nhb fighting
in nhb fights people often strike with fists and try to avoid same
both of those aspects are big in boxing

 

[Red Bull]

Boxing is a tiny part in NHB and anyone who has the first clue about MMA will agree with me. Hell I am not boxer at all and I have taken many boxers down at will in practice. If you are a one dimensional fighter especially having no ground game any grapper will pown you. You are close enough to strike you are close enough to get taken to the ground.

What is a boxer going to do when he is on his back where all his tools are gone? For the most part grapplers dominate because of control.

Many pro boxers have been called out to NHB but they will have nothing to do with it because they know what will happen. Sure they get paid more but eventually boxing will be taken over by NHB. Boxing will be a thing of the past. MMA i.e. UFC, Pride, KOTC will swallow it up. NHB is the closest sport you can get to the real deal.

I laugh when they announce boxers saying he is the best pound for pound fighter in the world. lol what a joke. Best boxer in the the world maybe but far from the best fighter. Boxing is not fighting. It’s boxing.

Boxer gets taken to the ground with no skills at all it’s so so easy to toy with them. They will roll over and I just set my hooks in and just as matter of time before the rear naked choke comes. True MMA guys know what I am talking about. I honestly would rather fight a pro boxer than a world class sub wrester and I am not a good boxer at all.

Hello mate.

Pretty fair comments, i mean, yes this is now more or less the generally accepted conclusion from MMA/UFC etc tournaments and i respect that...

The only thing i would say is that, MMA/UFC is still nothing like a real-life encounter. I can't remember the last time i saw two guys wrestle on the floor of a packed bar for five minutes. That's why i feel that in the actual-as-it-happens-everyday-scenario, your boxing skills will come in far more useful than is still thought...

laters...

 

[KA-BAR]

Like I said above. It’s the closest sport to fighting. Sport. I said nothing about street fights. A bar fight you hit the ground you can get kicked and yea it’s a bad idea to take someone down. I always make sure I have plenty of friends in a bar fight. IN bar fight you can use bottles, pool sticks, pool balls, knives ect.. Knees and kicks can also do well in a bar fight as well as the clinch. Something plain old boxers know nothing about.

In a fair one on one fight a well rounded fighter will dominate a boxer. In a bar fight yea throw as many punches as you can and you better watch out for shit coming from every direction. I have been in many a bar fights and luckily I have had just as many friends with me as the enemy. Ask Squat800 what I have done to a few guys.

He is on elite and he trains in boxing and wrestling. He just lives up the road from me. I consider myself a grappler but I still have enough stand up skill to dominate the average Joe. Stupid drunks are fun to knock out when the run there mouth. You have to watch though a few times I was scared the guy would not wake up. A fight is a fight the way I look at it so I never underestimate anyone but some of these guys I could have just shoved and they would have fell down. lol they came at me though so I just threw a strait right down the pipe and lights out. lol

Another reason I no longer go to bars. Always somebody trying to start shit. Many little man in my experience.  Also many fights end up on the ground bro.

Hello mate.

Pretty fair comments, i mean, yes this is now more or less the generally accepted conclusion from MMA/UFC etc tournaments and i respect that...

The only thing i would say is that, MMA/UFC is still nothing like a real-life encounter. I can't remember the last time i saw two guys wrestle on the floor of a packed bar for five minutes. That's why i feel that in the actual-as-it-happens-everyday-scenario, your boxing skills will come in far more useful than is still thought...

laters...

 

[Red Bull]

Like I said above. It’s the closest sport to fighting. Sport. I said nothing about street fights. A bar fight you hit the ground you can get kicked and yea it’s a bad idea to take someone down. I always make sure I have plenty of friends in a bar fight. IN bar fight you can use bottles, pool sticks, pool balls, knives ect.. Knees and kicks can also do well in a bar fight as well as the clinch. Something plain old boxers know nothing about.

In a fair one on one fight a well rounded fighter will dominate a boxer. In a bar fight yea throw as many punches as you can and you better watch out for shit coming from every direction. I have been in many a bar fights and luckily I have had just as many friends with me as the enemy. Ask Squat800 what I have done to a few guys.

He is on elite and he trains in boxing and wrestling. He just lives up the road from me. I consider myself a grappler but I still have enough stand up skill to dominate the average Joe. Stupid drunks are fun to knock out when the run there mouth. You have to watch though a few times I was scared the guy would not wake up. A fight is a fight the way I look at it so I never underestimate anyone but some of these guys I could have just shoved and they would have fell down. lol they came at me though so I just threw a strait right down the pipe and lights out. lol

Another reason I no longer go to bars. Always somebody trying to start shit. Many little man in my experience.  Also many fights end up on the ground bro.

Hello again, mate.

Very true. I didn't clarify where i was coming from in the first place. Yes for me, my training is geared more towards the 'spontaneous, as it happens' incident, not any kind of ring. That's where I feel boxing (and thaiboxing too) comes into its element, everyday, every second. Which i'm sure, to a large extent, you agree with...

What i mean to say is, the incidents i train for are actually limited in nature, i'll admit it. But that's because for me, I'm never going to challenge a guy in the middle of nowhere, ie. some kind of 'honourable everything goes match' (no sarcasm intended). Or again, have the same kind of situation in a normal location, but hope that his friends are decent enough to stand by...Really, i have come to the point where i have paired everything down to man in pub, man thinks he is hard, man tries to punch you. I think you get what i mean...

But yeah, MMA/UFC stuff is the closest sport to fighting, i agree. And of course, i'm not suggesting that any of these guys would somehow be out of sorts in a real-life encounter...er,they're some of the hardest people on the planet, I acknowledge that!

Let grapplers/MMAs have their day, they deserve it...