Anything to worry about?

[Mavy]

Listen to these guys bro ... dont take the easy way out.

6 months minimum bro! In this time get your training and diet as fine-tuned as you can. Dont rush it. I have done a few cycles in my day and I havent been on in a year almost. Sure I wanted to .. but i wanted to max out a little more before starting.

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[dr0832]

well in the case that a person doesn't want to go past their genetic limit, but maybe wants the to excellerate the process a bit, is there anything wrong with taking something like anavar alone to gain quality muscle only that can be retained? I am not saying this guy should be using juice after 2 months of coming back from lifting, I am just wondering why you guys feel you have to be above your genetic limit because your not gonna keep any of that muscle anyway so its seems pointless unless your competeing, in which case it still seems pointless to me, but thats just my opinion.

 

[Bulldog_10]

well in the case that a person doesn't want to go past their genetic limit, but maybe wants the to excellerate the process a bit, is there anything wrong with taking something like anavar alone to gain quality muscle only that can be retained? I am not saying this guy should be using juice after 2 months of coming back from lifting, I am just wondering why you guys feel you have to be above your genetic limit because your not gonna keep any of that muscle anyway so its seems pointless unless your competeing, in which case it still seems pointless to me, but thats just my opinion.

It's not about being above the genetic limit. It's about waiting at least a little more than a month before juicing...because it's totally unnecessary.

And I don't believe in the whole genetic limit thing...the one where if you put on more muscle than your "genetic limit" you'll lose it when you come off. If you put the muscle on, it's not just gonna come off because of some imagined limit. I do, however, believe there is a limit to the amount of muscle you can put on at all.

 

[Singleton]

well in the case that a person doesn't want to go past their genetic limit, but maybe wants the to excellerate the process a bit, is there anything wrong with taking something like anavar alone to gain quality muscle only that can be retained?

Yeah, it's using steroids as a substitute for hard work. It reflects the lazy mindset of an underacheiver, and, pragmatically speaking, it is a less healthy alternative.

There's a difference between your average dude who wants to "accelerate the process" and an educated athlete/bodybuilder who uses steroids to get past hurdles that s/he has attacked with concerted effort on every front (diet, training routines, personal trainers, rest, theraputic techniques).

The differences between the athlete and the average dude (knowledge, discipline) are not noticeable through casual observance.

If you want to be more like the athlete, set achievable goals for yourself. Don't use juice when you get stuck. Instead, try a new training routine. Learn what you can do with your body's hormonal system naturally.

 

[EL GAUCHO]

Ditto to the above bro. Don't do it!

 

[buckwheat1]

I have never agreed with assertion that you have to reach your potential to use steroids.

I was 39 when I did my first cycle. I had a long layoff due to breaking my wrist and got really involved in work. This caused me to lose a lot of muscle and gain a good 25+ fat.

I had been back to working out for about 6 months when I started that cycle. Before starting, I dropped about 10 pounds in weight and slowly brought up my lifts but I was nowhere near my max. that I had been in.

I started a 8 week cycle that ran about 400-500mg/wk. Just deca for 4 week and then eq for another 4 weeks.

During this time, I pretty much brought my lifts up to where I would expect them to be and at the same time lost another 8-10 pounds.

I could have gotten to that point if I would would have done in naturally, just might have taken me 6-9 months instead of 2 months.

For me AAS was a tool. I felt the risks where min. and it would allow me to get where I wanted to faster. Don't see what is wrong with that.

There is nothing wrong with my diet or my training. In fact, the AAS allowed me to actual train like I wanted to. I wasn't lazy but my body could not keep up with my desire.

If we assume that you should use something until you can no longer make gains, then people wanting to use fina or dbol should be discouraged until you have made all of your gains that you can on lower doses of test or EQ.

If the guys wants to use technology to get their faster, then so be it. I wish him the best. Just educate yourself and know what the risks are. I believe I have done this and feel comfortable with my decisions.

 

[buckwheat1]

you have to build a foundation before adding cement(gear) or you're setting yourself up for an injury.



RADAR

I think that this is a valid concern. You have to listen to body. Using AAS to get back into shape after a layoff can increase your chance of injury. In both of my cycles I have had to throttle back because I started getting some aches and pains.

I think using very moderate amounts of AAS over a 12 week period works best. I think something like dbol should not be used, since it allows such dramatic strength gains so fast. Focus more on losing the weight and building some strength back and not the other way around.

 

[TheRide]

There really isn't much left to say on this thread.

DogCatcher, I dont' want to flame you but hold off... do some homework. EF is a great place to learn. There are also a ton of free resources in the net. Hell, go to your local library. The fact that your friends liked the effects of Winstrol mean shit. If you friends liked sticking their hand in a blender would you? Anyway, a lot of the guys that have responded to you know their shit. I've been here for a while and have to say that the advice (although a bit hash) is good. Take it for what it's worth, but use your head about it. AAS aren't a joke, you need to do your homework.

Best of luck,
TheRide

 

[dr0832]

Well I would not be using var because I am lazy. I train very hard, and have a clean solid diet. I have spent countless hours educating myself on the dos and don't and the risks. If I do decide do do my first cycle it would not be for about another year probably because i want to see how much further I could get naturally in another year. I am not planning to go crazy and do non stop cycles. I just would like to put on some solid mass, and gain some strength, and possibly drop a little bf in the process, although I am already at around 8-9%.

 

[liquidmuscle]

you would be suprised what you will gain nat in a few months, then if your still not happy use what ya got, regardless we tell you one thing but you will do what you wanna do