A 64 years old, newbie

[oldrottie]

This past Wednesday I began the very first cycle. Testosterone Cypionate from a BP vial
First the ABCs of my medical history.
Diagnose with Anemia, treated for Prostate Cancer, dealing with Diabetes Type 2,
High Blood pressure.
I'm 5' 10" , 268 pounds, yes I am obese my BMI index is 38.4
Date January 2009
Lipid Panel: In Range Out Range Reference Range
Triglycerides 84 <150 mg/dl
Cholesterol Total 184 125-200 mg/dl
HDL 54 > or = 40 mg/dl
LDL 113 < 130 mg/dl (calc)

Cholesterol/HDLC ratio 3.4 < or = 5.0 (calc)

Comprehensive Metabolic/ Hepatic Function Panel
Glucose 118 H 65-99 mg/dl
Urea Nitrogen 25 7-25 mg/dl
Creatinine 0.77 0.50-1.30 mg/dl
Sodium 145 135-146 mmo I/L
Potassium 5.1 3.5-5.3 mmo I/L
Chloride 106 98-110 mmo I/L
Carbon Dioxide 28 21-33 mmo I/L
Calcium 9.3 8.6-10.2 mg/dl
Protein Total 7.4 6.2-8.3 g/dl
Albumin 4.1 3.6-5.1 g/dl
Globulin 3.3 2.1-3.7 g/dl (calc)
A and G ratio 1.2 1.0-2.1 (calc)
Bilirubin Total 0.4 0.2-1.2 mg/dl
Bilirubin Direct 0.1 < or = 0.2 mg/dl
Bilirubin Indirect 0.3 0.2-1.2 mg/dl (calc)
Alkaline Phosphate 81 40-115 U/L
AST 15 10-35 U/L
ALT 29 9-60 U/L

CBC
White Blood Cell 7.4 3.8-10.8 Thousand/uL
Red Blood Cell 4.43 4.20-5.80 Million/uL
Hemoglobin 12.4 L 13.2-17.1 g/dl
Hematocrit 37.6 L 38.5-50.0 %
MCV 84.7 80.0-100.0 fl
MCH 27.9 27.0-33.0 pg
MCHC 32.9 32.0-36.0 g/dl
RDW 16.3 H 11.0-15.0 %
Platelet Count 383 140-400 Thousand/ul
Absolute Neutrophils 4573 1500-7800 cells/ul
Absolute Lymphocytes 2102 850-3900 cells/ul
Absolute Monocytes 385 200-950 cells/ul
Absolute Eosinophils 326 15-500 cells/ul
Absolute Basophils 15 0-200 cells/ul
Neutrophils 61.8 %
Lymphocytes 28.4 %
Monocytes 5.2 %
Eosinophils 4.4 %
Basophils 0.2 %

Testosterone Total 49 L 241-827 ng/dl

PSA Total 0.3 < or = 4.0 ng/dl

Hemoglobin A1c 6.6 H % of total Hgb

Both my wife and I noticed about three years ago my change of well being.
My overall health have been horrible, extreme fatigue , no energy , tired all the time, very moody, itching all over, loss of balance, aching muscles. I could no longer live inside my skin.
After many months of learning what could be wrong with me, finally thanks to you guys, it hit me.
Darn it, extremely low Testosterone.
Because of previous bout with Prostate Cancer no Doctor would help.
I'm not a spring chicken I know the risk. It will be monitor with blood test and medical examination.
Five days after my initial injection with the help of my wife. I feel very very good.
My gait has improved.
Please feel free to speak your mind.
Thank you.

 

[oldrottie]

Sorry guys.
When I press the " Preview Post " everything look easy to read, but after the " Submit Reply " everything was bunched up and quite hard to follow.

In a few words, I'm doing the Testosterone Cypionate mainly because of the extremely low level 49 , for a man of my age the range should be between 241 and 827 ng/dl.
I'm using 1cc of 250mg/ml once every two weeks from Balkan.
My main goal is to feel good, so far it works.
I honestly could use any information you would be willing to share.
After my second shot on February 4th, I'll continue to keep you posted.
I got my gear from NO SOURCE TALK, BTW great service. Do not know if this kind of info would get me in trouble if so it will not happen again.
Thank you

 

[RADAR]

Sorry guys.
When I press the " Preview Post " everything look easy to read, but after the " Submit Reply " everything was bunched up and quite hard to follow.

In a few words, I'm doing the Testosterone Cypionate mainly because of the extremely low level 49 , for a man of my age the range should be between 241 and 827 ng/dl.
I'm using 1cc of 250mg/ml once every two weeks from Balkan.
My main goal is to feel good, so far it works.
I honestly could use any information you would be willing to share.
After my second shot on February 4th, I'll continue to keep you posted.
I got my gear from ****, BTW great service. Do not know if this kind of info would get me in trouble if so it will not happen again.
Thank you

Please don't talk about sources.
Thank You!


RADAR

 

[oldrottie]

Sorry, it won't happen again.

 

[RADAR]

BTW you would get greater benefits from that test by going to the gym at least 3 times per week!


RADAR

 

[oldrottie]

Radar
Should I wait till the fatigue, muscle weakness returns or should I go ahead every two weeks and get the shot ?

 

[RADAR]

Radar
Should I wait till the fatigue, muscle weakness returns or should I go ahead every two weeks and get the shot ?

No 2 weeks is pushing it, shoot at the same time every two weeks, I would also try some of Omegas product upon first waking up, I am Running Lipid Stabil from Moculearnutrition.com
One of our sponsors it helps lower Cholorestrol,I see some endurance and a feeling of well being on it.

I still suggest going to the gym 3 times a week tho, for maximun benefits.You don't have to go all out ,just start with a few basic exercises.

I stay pretty busy over these boards so if i can help any further please do not hestitate to pm me.

 

[iggy]

hiya! welcome to EF. get to the gym ASAP brother. whats your current split like?
what are some other goals of yours?

 

[oldrottie]

Let me be totally honest, pumping weights and I are like two ships in the night.
Before January 21th of last year my energy level was nonexistent, tying the shoe laces was adventure but since about two weeks ago I have experience a fabulous change, I would like to call it a miracle.
My only fear would be that the next blood test will show a big difference in the PSA levels and I would have to stop this Elixir.
I respect your opinions and now that I have this boost in energy I going to kick my big a** to the gym.
Tomorrow afternoon my wife will administer the second shot of 1cc, 250mg of Testosterone C, right on the gluteus maximus which she is really looking forward to.
BTW I take plenty of vitamins supplements, Omega 3
three time a day others are Vitamin C, L-Lysine, Potassium, Folic Acid, Glucosamine Chondroitin, B12, Cinnamon capsules.
Thank you for your help.

 

[iggy]

yeah but what are you going to do in the gym? a 5x5? what kind of split/workout?

 

[oldrottie]

yeah but what are you going to do in the gym? a 5x5? what kind of split/workout?

I have no idea whatsoever plus I have no idea about the terminology. What is a 5x5 or split or.... ?
But I belong to Health First Sport Plex and had seen a few trainers help others, touching base with one of them I think it should be my first stop.
In the past my total lack of energy have kept me away from just about any form of exercise.
Right now I am looking forward for tomorrow's juice I can feel an small drop in my gait.
The old saying " You never too old to learn " I see myself right there, learning from you guys.
Thank you.

 

[iggy]

5x5 is a training routine popularized by a man named bill starr and altered by madcow2 Madcow's 5x5.
its a routine which emphasizes on core lifts. the beginning split is only three days a week lifting. monday, wednesday, and friday.

 

[RADAR]

There's alot of ways to train, 5x5 is one of them.You may incorporate a trainer at your gym but gosh sakes don't pay him, you have all the info right here at your fingertips on elite.

I'm 58 and have over 35 yrs exp in training,so you can bet i'll be cheering you on.

RADAR

 

[oldrottie]

The Health Plex has one monthly flat fee.
It has tons of different machines and some free weights.
I have been a member for over 10 years and never had set foot there. Instead I use the very large swimming pool, basketball hoops, racquetball and the 1/10th of a mile track.
My wife of 43 years had a full Hysterectomy this past Wednesday January 28th and I am her 24/7 nurse, cook, driver and personal hygiene specialist till she get released from her doctor hopefully on the 12th of February, until then my movement are very restricted.
In general I'm looking forward to lift some weight as soon as I am able.

 

[oldrottie]

Just got my second shot. I feel goooood !!!!
I should have done this a very long time ago.
My wife is beginning to feel better I should be able to start at the gym pretty soon.

 

[RADAR]

Good To hear!

RADAR

 

[joe d]

The Health Plex has one monthly flat fee.
It has tons of different machines and some free weights.
I have been a member for over 10 years and never had set foot there. Instead I use the very large swimming pool, basketball hoops, racquetball and the 1/10th of a mile track.
My wife of 43 years had a full Hysterectomy this past Wednesday January 28th and I am her 24/7 nurse, cook, driver and personal hygiene specialist till she get released from her doctor hopefully on the 12th of February, until then my movement are very restricted.
In general I'm looking forward to lift some weight as soon as I am able.

i think you should consult with some kind of rehab therapist. is sounds like your health is shaky. jumping into this stuff at full force can cause a brittly body a lot of damage. you have to ease into it. good luck

 

[oldrottie]

Yes, my health is not top notch.
The main reason I have joined EF is to understand how to feel better and healthier from people like yourself who are willing to take your time to teach.
I did not venture into this project without previously combing through many sites specially here and trying to learn what would be good for my body.
Choosing Testosterone Cypionate took a lengthy amount of time to decide and when the product was in hand it took extra amount of time to convince myself to use it. About three years ago I was treated for Prostate Cancer with Radiation, now my present PSA level is 0.3 which is very good.
My main goal is not to bulk up but to feel " The Zest for Life ".
Every 2 to 3 month I get full blood test that includes PSA and the Free Testosterone level. The last twelve or so tests shows that my Testosterone levels to be between 47 and 49, which of course are extremely low. The normal range for a man of my age should between 240 and 827. These are the goals I need to balance, high Testosrone level with low PSA level. Every two weeks I get a shot, 1cc of 250mg.
If on this precarious trip I bulk up and manage to lose weight, I would definitely be in Rottie Heaven.
Thank you.

 

[joe d]

Yes, my health is not top notch.
The main reason I have joined EF is to understand how to feel better and healthier from people like yourself who are willing to take your time to teach.
I did not venture into this project without previously combing through many sites specially here and trying to learn what would be good for my body.
Choosing Testosterone Cypionate took a lengthy amount of time to decide and when the product was in hand it took extra amount of time to convince myself to use it. About three years ago I was treated for Prostate Cancer with Radiation, now my present PSA level is 0.3 which is very good.
My main goal is not to bulk up but to feel " The Zest for Life ".
Every 2 to 3 month I get full blood test that includes PSA and the Free Testosterone level. The last twelve or so tests shows that my Testosterone levels to be between 47 and 49, which of course are extremely low. The normal range for a man of my age should between 240 and 827. These are the goals I need to balance, high Testosrone level with low PSA level. Every two weeks I get a shot, 1cc of 250mg.
If on this precarious trip I bulk up and manage to lose weight, I would definitely be in Rottie Heaven.
Thank you.

you will get there. whatever you decide to do just make sure you really ease into it. jumping on a 5x5 right from the start is a bad idea. i dont want to offend any one but it is. i think a knowlegable trainer is in your best interest.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Yes agreed ^^^^^ just ask when you get to the gym ,advice is free there.


Brad.

 

[RADAR]

I agree with you bro's as i said in post#7 don't do alot for starters,as long as you ease into it, that's your first step!

RADAR

 

[searay]

u may want to consider spitting the dose and shooting every week. that way u will get a much better level of test in ur system instead of spiking at day 7 and declining to zero at day 14. that is why your 'gait' goes back to normal a few days before your shot. i have read that test is not the real issue with prostate problems. think about it, why is it that men have prostate problems when they get older and there test levels are non-existent? if high test levels were the problem then it would be the younger men getting prostate cancer. as far as working out goes ease into it and do not over do it up front. try walking a mile and increae it by 1/2 mile every 3-4 days up to 3 miles and then try running part of the walk if u feel up to it. for beginners stick with the machines for weight training and keep ur reps high at least 10-15 reps. good to hear that u took ur well being into your own hands. the drs arnt the ones who have to live in ur body..............

 

[RADAR]

Yes, my health is not top notch.
The main reason I have joined EF is to understand how to feel better and healthier from people like yourself who are willing to take your time to teach.
I did not venture into this project without previously combing through many sites specially here and trying to learn what would be good for my body.
Choosing Testosterone Cypionate took a lengthy amount of time to decide and when the product was in hand it took extra amount of time to convince myself to use it. About three years ago I was treated for Prostate Cancer with Radiation, now my present PSA level is 0.3 which is very good.
My main goal is not to bulk up but to feel " The Zest for Life ".
Every 2 to 3 month I get full blood test that includes PSA and the Free Testosterone level. The last twelve or so tests shows that my Testosterone levels to be between 47 and 49, which of course are extremely low. The normal range for a man of my age should between 240 and 827. These are the goals I need to balance, high Testosrone level with low PSA level. Every two weeks I get a shot, 1cc of 250mg.
If on this precarious trip I bulk up and manage to lose weight, I would definitely be in Rottie Heaven.
Thank you.

Since you are now running gear i would highly reccommend this


MOLECULAR NUTRITION - X-FACTOR
Lipid Stabil

Taking it right now and i havn't had bloodwork done yet,but i feel better than i have in a long time, so ,it's doing something.

RADAR

 

[iggy]

how you been oldr? post up!

 

[RADAR]

I also want to know!

RADAR

 

[pitbullrocco]

now i do too!
i can't believe there is not a Dr. that will put you on HRT! unless its the history of prostrate cancer. still, there must be at least one Doc out there that would give you a damn Rx. are you planning on running the Cyp all the way up until your next blood test?
also, about the length between shots. with Cyp, normal HRT doses are 200mg administered once a week. if you wanna compromise, 10 days between shots might cover stable baseline levels.

 

[hackamore]

Hi,

I'm in my 50s... and TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) has changed my life.

the "basic cycle" is 1/2cc of test -c or test-e (e gives you a few more mgs of test with standard dosages) weekly (I do mine thursday AM and by friday night through the weekend the wife and I are BUSY)...

1/4mg of arimidex every 3rd day to control e2 (estrogen) conversion...

250iu of hcg on the 2 days preceding your shot (in my case shot is thursday so tues/wed) to keep the boys at least aware of themselves.

I'm doing 175mg of a test blend (with right now 100mg of deca for 20 weeks to buff up a bit for summer/fall) myself and 1/4mg of arimidex eod... body fat dropped DRAMATICALLY, muscle tone/size is MUCH better, though process is sharper, energy up, lipids better...

now I know the heavy BB types here scoff at 175mg/week but TRT guys don't cycle... we do it EVERY week.... my "cycle" is the 100mg of deca I'm adding for 20 weeks.

watch your blood sugar... you'll probably find you'll need LESS insulin.

 

[mike spero]

two things my father taught me "its never to late" "anything can happen" don't waste money on vitamins most don't even get digested. I would do half a cc a week rather than one every two and research HGH. Also, working out sucks in the begining,it fucks with your head,(all the blood rushes to your head) and your body feels like shit-nausea etc. If you force yourself through it for the firsrt few weeks i guarantee you will begin to feel better and love working out,have more energy,sex drive etc. once you see some results you will get hooked. but lift weights and push yourself to lift heavier each time you train. Also getting a personal trainer or kickboxing trainer, boxing trainer is a great way to keep active,but there is no miracle needle or pill that is gonna get you where you want to be cause none of this shit works at all with out the workout

 

[OMEGA]

The practice of "snipping" testes for Prostate C treatment is one of the most destructive things you can do to a male

For it silences T production Forever

The original studies which are the basis of the practice are weak and flawed

Yet we have Docs Killing people by doing it........

 

[zedhed]

Post up Rottie! would like to know what up with you!

 

[RADAR]

two things my father taught me "its never to late" "anything can happen" don't waste money on vitamins most don't even get digested. I would do half a cc a week rather than one every two and research HGH. Also, working out sucks in the begining,it fucks with your head,(all the blood rushes to your head) and your body feels like shit-nausea etc. If you force yourself through it for the firsrt few weeks i guarantee you will begin to feel better and love working out,have more energy,sex drive etc. once you see some results you will get hooked. but lift weights and push yourself to lift heavier each time you train. Also getting a personal trainer or kickboxing trainer, boxing trainer is a great way to keep active,but there is no miracle needle or pill that is gonna get you where you want to be cause none of this shit works at all with out the workout

I believe in taking vitamins,the thing about them they don't get digested unless they have minerals along with them.

 

[CheapPinz]

I'm glad you're feeling better. I think its your right to have the highest quality of living, especially if you have a diagnosed deficit. Who was that guy in the news a few years back...he was a 70something year old guy that looked better than most 20 year olds. amazing. He was doing things right and he looked and felt great. Cheers to you. Keep up with your follow up and I hope you feel better as time goes..

 

[BigCbear]

your story is a great read and im glad your feeling better i agree with everyone else we wanna hear a update