3rd Cycle after 6 years off, what's changed? Advice?

[jbw5555]

Some history:

1st Cycle was

an all oral dbol and var.
​

2nd Cycle was

wks 1-10 Test enthanate 500mg/wk (1 shot (2ml) per week)
wks 1-4 dbol 50MG/ED, Naposim
wks 13-15 Clomid 50mg/day
wks 1-15 Arimidex .25 ED
​

Since my 2nd cycle I continued to lift for another year or so, maintaining most of my gains. but since then, I've taken off about 6 years away from the gym (raising a family, traveling extensively for business, etc). I find myself back in the gym since last May, about 7 months now. Have cleaned up my diet, and gotten most of my muscle and strength back from the old days, although being older I find it harder and harder to recover and stay injury free.

After a few more months of training, I'd like to try another cycle before the spring/summer of next year (so I look good when the shirt comes off )

Current Stats:
42
5'10"
195-200lbs
~10%BF
15 years of lifting

Goals for this cycle are lean mass, and limited amount of shots per week, and keeping it very basic. The other goal would be able to dive right into a cutting cycle to shed fat before the summer months.

For my 2nd cycle, I was very happy with the results, although I remember that the dbol dosage was high and I was very bloated and uncomfortable and needed to cut it down during the cycle.

I'd like to run my 3rd cycle identical to the 2nd.

My questions:

1) Is this a reasonable cycle to do again, assuming that when I run it I will have been back in the gym for only about 9-10 months? (but still with 15 years of lifting experience behind me)

2) I've read some comments on the success of just running a test cycle. Should I drop the dbol?

3) What has changed over the last few years in regards to AAS that I should be updating my research on? for instance, are there better PCT's out there now, or does my proposed look good?

4) Any other comments or advice is welcomed

Thanks.

 

[Nelson Montana]

IP? You HAVE been away a long time.

For starters , we don't discuss sources.

The biggest difference is the acknowledgment that clomid and nolva are shot drugs. (Though some people still use them). Natty PCT has come a long was as well as protein and "on cycle" supps like N2GUARD.

Var isn't regarded as "safe" as once thought.

And test and dbol still work.

 

[jbw5555]

Thanks for the reply. appreciate your feedback. sorry about the slip up on the source post, I just copied and pasted from my fitness log not realizing.

after posting this I read more on the boards and some of the stickies, in particular a great post by needtogetaas entitled " Natural post cycle therapy. Holistic cycle support . The drug and steroid user Bible"

it's a great post.

My question is ... is this new way of thinking about PCT's widely accepted in the bodybuilding community or is it just trying to gain acceptance?

 

[needtogetaas]

Thanks for the reply. appreciate your feedback. sorry about the slip up on the source post, I just copied and pasted from my fitness log not realizing.

after posting this I read more on the boards and some of the stickies, in particular a great post by needtogetaas entitled " Natural post cycle therapy. Holistic cycle support . The drug and steroid user Bible"

it's a great post.

My question is ... is this new way of thinking about PCT's widely accepted in the bodybuilding community or is it just trying to gain acceptance?

My friend its like this. There is so many retarded people following more retarded people toped off with some more retards that the old way of thinking is never going to die..

See a drug is easy to get behind. Everyone can get behind a drug. Why even the drug companies are behind them and you may not know this or not but Hell mother fucking yes drug companies have professional reps on steroid forums.. I have met and talked to some. I know of them..

Put it this way. If you took the sales of every single drug ever made and combined them all into one.. Together all of them would still not even come close to the amount of money Tamoxafin makes the drug companies. I and another fact ... the fortune 500 aka the top 500 riches companies in the world? the top 5 of them are drug companies and these top 5 make more then all of the other 495 companies make combined.. Just to give you a little Idea of how much money Nolvadex makes..

So you can rest assured they are now at the point of just spending money on stupid things. So do not doubt for a second they have million dollar campaigns on steroid forums too. The sales may be indirect but they are still making money off it..


WHY DO YOU THINK STEROID FORUMS ARE STILL ALLOWED TO EVEN BE AROUND???????????? Give me a fucking brake 1 law passed and poff this sites gone forever.


This is not conspiracy theory here . You would have to be a complete bone head not to see what I am saying here. THINK ABOUT IT!!!! This is not millions we are talking not even billions . We are talking hundreds of trillions... Stupid retarded amounts of money.. They are not going to let there baby golden child die any time soon.


Now on the other side of the spectrum you have natural pct, holistic health and you will find just as many people who support it however it is DIVIDED!!!!!!!! Company x is always dising company Y... Poster x who is a rep of company Y is always disagreeing with post P who is a rep of company X. So on and so forth..

No united front. I been around a long time and I have seen way more people enjoy a well planed out pct using the right natural/oct products then I have drugs.. I have seen even more people use a little of both and also end happy.. Most people using Just the drugs I have always seen them end up unhappy some day. Be it 2-3-10 years later they always end up unhappy lmao..

Now I got blood test from several people to prove my ways work. And still the problem is everyone is against each other everyone wants to be right or wants the company they work for to be right. Or they want the steroid dealer who sells clomid and they work for as a rep to be right.. Ya please do not tell me that you do not know that the steroid dealers have more fucking reps working the forums for them then the damn otc companies do lmao..

Of course the do they got a product to sell to ya know and they got 100 times the amount of money to spend on the reps.. I know I used to work for them all of them.. Shit I wont lie I still do now bitches !!!

It does not matter to me one way or the other. I could tell you use serms and I make money from it or I can tell you use natural and I still make money from it.. So anyone pointing at me and saying he only recommended his products because of money is a fool... I SELL SERMS TO ASS HOLES!!! And Yet I still know in my heart that they suck for pct..

I get to give the advice I feel is right and you show me one single person who has taken my advice and not been happy with it?? have spent half my life researching the subjects and I have forgotten more then most will learn in a life time..

But I don't clam to be anything more then a good bro trying to help other good bro's.. If you think I know my shit then follow me. If not then all the power to you and I wish you well. See you later when you are ready to do things right..

 

[Judo Tom]

first welcome back
2nd elite is better than it ever has been needto and nelson are awesome along w/ a bunch of other great mods and people..
3rd test and dbol are always great.. just go w/ the dbol at 20mg if you get bloated easily
4th post cycle / unleashed is a great pct.. i also think formastanzol is awesome as well during pct.. just do some research and you will see

 

[jbw5555]

OK thanks for all the feedback. I went back and completed more research on the OTC PCT products and I'm certainly willing to give 'em a try. here's my revised proposed cycle:

wks 1-10 Test enthanate 500mg/wk (2 shots per week)
wks 1-4 dbol 30-50MG/ED (will vary dosage based on body feedback)
wks 1-10 Arimidex .25 EOD

wks 1-10 N2Guard
wks 5-12 HCGenerate
wks 11-14 Unleashed/post cycle combo

The only question that I haven't found a solid answer on, is how long to run Unleashed/PCT combo? I assumed 4 weeks was long enough, but is this correct? I'm also assuming the there's no harm in running it for longer periods of time?

thanks agin for the feedback. Looking froward to getting this cycle going in early feb!

 

[RADAR]

Some history:

1st Cycle was

an all oral dbol and var.
​

2nd Cycle was

wks 1-10 Test enthanate 500mg/wk, (1 shot (2ml) per week)
wks 1-4 dbol 50MG/ED,
wks 13-15 Clomid 50mg/day
wks 1-15 Arimidex .25 ED
​

Since my 2nd cycle I continued to lift for another year or so, maintaining most of my gains. but since then, I've taken off about 6 years away from the gym (raising a family, traveling extensively for business, etc). I find myself back in the gym since last May, about 7 months now. Have cleaned up my diet, and gotten most of my muscle and strength back from the old days, although being older I find it harder and harder to recover and stay injury free.

After a few more months of training, I'd like to try another cycle before the spring/summer of next year (so I look good when the shirt comes off )

Current Stats:
42
5'10"
195-200lbs
~10%BF
15 years of lifting

Goals for this cycle are lean mass, and limited amount of shots per week, and keeping it very basic. The other goal would be able to dive right into a cutting cycle to shed fat before the summer months.

For my 2nd cycle, I was very happy with the results, although I remember that the dbol dosage was high and I was very bloated and uncomfortable and needed to cut it down during the cycle.

I'd like to run my 3rd cycle identical to the 2nd.

My questions:

1) Is this a reasonable cycle to do again, assuming that when I run it I will have been back in the gym for only about 9-10 months? (but still with 15 years of lifting experience behind me)

2) I've read some comments on the success of just running a test cycle. Should I drop the dbol?

3) What has changed over the last few years in regards to AAS that I should be updating my research on? for instance, are there better PCT's out there now, or does my proposed look good?

4) Any other comments or advice is welcomed

Thanks.

No discussion of brands ,i suggest reading the rules

 

[Judo Tom]

id cut the dbol dosage or leave it at 30
id keep formastanzol on hand or just run it to combat bloat
pct for 4 weeks is usually fine

Good Luck

 

[burnthiscorpse]

OK thanks for all the feedback. I went back and completed more research on the OTC PCT products and I'm certainly willing to give 'em a try. here's my revised proposed cycle:

wks 1-10 Test enthanate 500mg/wk (2 shots per week)
wks 1-4 dbol 30-50MG/ED (will vary dosage based on body feedback)
wks 1-10 Arimidex .25 EOD

wks 1-10 N2Guard
wks 5-12 HCGenerate
wks 11-14 Unleashed/post cycle combo

The only question that I haven't found a solid answer on, is how long to run Unleashed/PCT combo? I assumed 4 weeks was long enough, but is this correct? I'm also assuming the there's no harm in running it for longer periods of time?

thanks agin for the feedback. Looking froward to getting this cycle going in early feb!

Unleashed is good shit and it really does what it says. HCgenerate is completely legit too. It wouldnt be a bad idea to run unleashed throughout the entire cycle. You'll get more out of your test.
The only thing i personally would change is bumping it to 12 or 14 weeks instead of 10. The test really gets working in week 5-6 so it seems a shame to cut it off so early. Thats just personal preference though, you do what you think is best for your body. Also you might wanna run that same arimidex dose through to the end of PCT and definatley hit the HCgenerate through the entire PCT at like 10 caps per day minimum.
Your on the right track though. Simple is good and test is best.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

My friend its like this. There is so many retarded people following more retarded people toped off with some more retards that the old way of thinking is never going to die..

I love you man