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phil.m.r23

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Fronload
test P- 100eod/week 1-4
dbol - 70ed/1-5

test E- 400/week 1-12
tren E- 700/week 1-12
NPP- 150 eod/1-8
Adex - .50ed/week 1-16
Prami .25ed/week 1-16 week

(bridge into pct )
test P- 100eod/13-16
tren A- 150 eod/13-16
Stan- 50 ed/12-16


Hcg - 250x2/week 1-14
(500x2/week 15-16)

letro (on hand)
Liver support-??
PCT 17-22
Nolva ED 40/20/20/10/10/10
clomid ED 50/50//25/25
Aromasin ED 25/12.5/eod12.5/e3d12.5
 
phil.m.r23 said:
Fronload
test P- 100eod/week 1-4
dbol - 70ed/1-5

test E- 400/week 1-12
tren E- 700/week 1-12
NPP- 150 eod/1-8
Adex - .50ed/week 1-16
Prami .25ed/week 1-16 week

(bridge into pct )
test P- 100eod/13-16
tren A- 150 eod/13-16
Stan- 50 ed/12-16


Hcg - 250x2/week 1-14
(500x2/week 15-16)

letro (on hand)
Liver support-??
PCT 17-22
Nolva ED 40/20/20/10/10/10
clomid ED 50/50//25/25
Aromasin ED 25/12.5/eod12.5/e3d12.5
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only 1 post and we are supposed to know this?
give Age
height
weight
BF
cycle history


also adding nova in this is just asking for trouble.
 
sounds like someone has no idea and just threw in a bunch of hormones.
 
phil.m.r23 said:
Fronload
test P- 100eod/week 1-4
dbol - 70ed/1-5

test E- 400/week 1-12
tren E- 700/week 1-12
NPP- 150 eod/1-8
Adex - .50ed/week 1-16
Prami .25ed/week 1-16 week

(bridge into pct )
test P- 100eod/13-16
tren A- 150 eod/13-16
Stan- 50 ed/12-16


Hcg - 250x2/week 1-14
(500x2/week 15-16)

letro (on hand)
Liver support-??
PCT 17-22
Nolva ED 40/20/20/10/10/10
clomid ED 50/50//25/25
Aromasin ED 25/12.5/eod12.5/e3d12.5
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Well, one good thing I can say about this ^^^^^ is that at least there are AIs.
 
I wouldn't run npp and tren at the same.time. u can but it's asking for trouble.

Keep it simple bro use an oral at the beginning and mabe prop at the end.while the long.esters clear
 
RADAR said:
only 1 post and we are supposed to know this?
give Age
height
weight
BF
cycle history


also adding nova in this is just asking for trouble.
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Age: 24 turning 25 in less than 2 weeks.
Height: 5' "9.5
Weight: 193
BF:9-10
Cycle History: This would be my 4th cycle.
First cycle i ran Sust @500 1-12, Winny 1-4 @70mgs, var 8-12 @50mgs
(Wasn't eat right for first 6 weeks, i thought i had to eat like crazy. I was eating clean but i was eating too much, i thought AAS would do everything....I didnt know what to expect) Went from 158-195 the first six weeks, then dropped down to 175 the last six) Ended up at 170
Second Cycle I ran Sust@ 750 1-12, dbol 1-4 at @60 (went from 170-200)
(Was eating pretty clean, but then i pulled my hamstring and dropped a ton of weight)
(Third cycle i ran Sust @750, Tren A @ 150eod, Var 4-12 @50)
Dropped 5 lbs, but ended up looking bigger/leaner/better. I was at 195 after this cycle which was last year now im at 193.
 
phil.m.r23 said:
Fronload
test P- 100eod/week 1-4
dbol - 70ed/1-5

test E- 400/week 1-12
tren E- 700/week 1-12
NPP- 150 eod/1-8
Adex - .50ed/week 1-16
Prami .25ed/week 1-16 week

(bridge into pct )
test P- 100eod/13-16
tren A- 150 eod/13-16
Stan- 50 ed/12-16


Hcg - 250x2/week 1-14
(500x2/week 15-16)

letro (on hand)
Liver support-??
PCT 17-22
Nolva ED 40/20/20/10/10/10
clomid ED 50/50//25/25
Aromasin ED 25/12.5/eod12.5/e3d12.5
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Do this
Deca 1-14 @500-600
Npp 1-5 @150 eod
 
Damn bro. 70mg dbol a day? That's unnecessary in my opinion. 30-40mg of dbol gives you the full potential of it with the least sides, and not to mention liver strain. And I've never done tren, but 700 sounds to high?? But ive only done research on tren a so can't say for sure.
 
I meant to add that to his cycle
Instead of him doing 8 weeks of npp to just do it for 4 weeks at 150eod and deca at 500-600 ew for 14, test at 400 and tren at 700 for 12. Frontload 1-5 dbol at 70 and prop 100eod. Bridge prop eod at 100, tren a at 150 eod, winny at 50 eod 13-16 then pct
 
This is a good idea in my opinion
Test @400 and tren e @ 700 1-12.
Test will just be used to maintain a stable libido, less estrogen sides from test. Since these two fight for the same receptor it would be wise to just keep the tren high and test low(just for maintenance. Thats what has worked best for me in the past.

Ive ran
test @1000 1-16
Tren @500. 1-16
With more sides, bloat, gain fat, my waist went from a 32-34, i gained 30 but most of it was fat/water and i did not look lean after this cycle.
Then i was suggest to flip it around
Test @400
Tren @800
Minimal sides, i looked leaner, better and felt better, i was stronger, more vascular, i dropped fat, my waist size went from a 33 to a 30, gained 25 pounds of lean muscle in 14 weeks.
So its your choice
I would recommend you to keep the tren higher than the test and just use test for maintenance
 
Hahah it makes sense but i am not on trt...
Thats why i want to run npp for just eight weeks.
Deca would take 4-6 to kick in and i would have to run it for at least 12-14 weeks and i dont wanna do that.
 
RADAR said:
running any Progesterone agent (Deca,Tren) with nova is just asking for sides.
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x2... if your going to run nolva with a 19 nor you might as well get yourself a victorias secret catalog and start bra shopping for yourself

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy
 
So you're saying cant run nolva during pct if you run tren or deca?
Im currently on test/tren and was also planning to run nolva during pct?
So what should i run instead during pct?
I mean im running aromasin at .25 eod already.
 
phil.m.r23 said:
Fronload
test P- 100eod/week 1-4
dbol - 70ed/1-5

test E- 400/week 1-12
tren E- 700/week 1-12
NPP- 150 eod/1-8
Adex - .50ed/week 1-16
Prami .25ed/week 1-16 week

(bridge into pct )
test P- 100eod/13-16
tren A- 150 eod/13-16
Stan- 50 ed/12-16


Hcg - 250x2/week 1-14
(500x2/week 15-16)

letro (on hand)
Liver support-??
PCT 17-22
Nolva ED 40/20/20/10/10/10
clomid ED 50/50//25/25
Aromasin ED 25/12.5/eod12.5/e3d12.5
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Personally I dont think ur cycle looks too bad. The changes I wud make are to drop the dbol to no higher then 50 (preferably 40mg). Up the test E to 750mg, and drop the nolva completely bro. Otherwise I digg it. Ive run similar cycles like this and had great results
 
Too long.

Too much.

Bad combinations.

No protection while on.

Shit PCT.

Other than that, it's fine.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Too long.

Too much.

Bad combinations.

No protection while on.

Shit PCT.

Other than that, it's fine.
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Hes also only 193 lbs and running a cycle someone 250 lbs would envy lol
Did he start at 120 lbs???
Doesnt sound like he knows what hes doing in general
 
I'm not running nolva during cycle, but during pct?



Fronload
test P- 100eod/week 1-4
dbol - 50ed/1-5

test E- 400/week 1-12
tren E- 700/week 1-12
NPP- 150 eod/1-10
adex - .50ed/week 1-16
Prami .25ed/week 1-16 week

(bridge into PCT )
test P- 100eod/13-16
tren A- 150 eod/13-16
Stan- 50 ED/12-16


Hcg - 250x2/week 1-14
(500x2/week 15-16)

letro (on hand)
PCT 17-22
nolva ED 40/20/20/10/10/10
clomid ED 50/50//25/25
Aromasin ED 25/12.5/eod12.5/e3d12.5
 
Italiangymrat said:
Says who? Lol
Im not running nolva during my cycle I'm running it during pct?
Less is not more lets be honest here..haha
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I agree with nelson on this one. What you're trying to say basically is less effort, more results....

I hate to think what your 5th cycle might entail looking at the jumps your taking.
 
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