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The Never-Ending Cycle

Nelson Montana

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This is geared more for guys on HRT but it can be applyed to anyone whose had years of training and juicing under their belt.

Just another approach. It's not intended to be the best way, just ANOTHER way.

Instead of cycling on and off...using Pc T, recovering, then going back on... how about maintaining an HR T level throughout and enhancing it now and then? Even a dose of 100 mgs of test a week will put T levels at about 800-1000 if you're healthy. And then, instead of ramping up and coming down, every third week or so, you bump it up and/or add another compound -- preferably Primmo, which won't mess with your HPT A very much or cause estro side effects.

So for the sake of hypothesis, every 3 weeks you'll be using 100 mgs of test and let's say, 400 mgs of primmo, for just one week -- then you go back to the 100 mgs of test maintence, untill next month.

Now along the way, you'll want to keep your natural T as high as possible. That process should include a few anciliaries . Of course certain supps will help; UNLEASHED, VIGOR, MyogenX, BIG BLAST and DX7 top the list. And a natty anti e should cover you, but keeping a little dexx on hand wouldn't be a bad idea.

And even though I hate Clomid and it's completely unnecessary with Primmo, if it works for you, why not?

And naturally, a shot of HC G every month or so. (even less, in many cases) will keep the boys nice and plimp.

Yeah, yeah, I know...there are guys who will say that's not enough to make a difference but I've seen too many examples to the contrary. If you know how to train and are committed to your diet, having 1000 ngs of testosterone is a HUGE advantage. A waste? I think not. And plesae don't say it isn't enough time for the Primmo to "kick in." That's just not true. It won't have time to build up and result in huge gains , but it'll do SOMETHING.

This is a strange way of doing things, I know. It's a science experiement based around 24/7 chemical enhancement. yet, in another way, it's pretty conservative, relatively safe, and still incorporates maintaining natural hormonal levels. They'll just be enhanced. True, you'll be supressing them somewhat, but you'll also be replacing them with more than you can ever acheive naturally. In a way, it's the best of both worlds.

Just a theory. Opinions are welcome.
 
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this sounds interesting. have you known anyone to do it like this? I know plenty of guys that never come off, but this is different. very interesting. nice nelson.
 
Hey nelson...
My first cycle started at only 50mg of test a week. Then after a month I upped it to 125mg a week for 2 months. Also used HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - but 3 times a week at 500iu's each shot and 1iu ED of gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - the whole cycle. Did the whole PCT - post cycle therapy - with clomid derm and gaspari novadex. I gained 22 and retained 10 well after PCT was done. BF went up half a percent.
Here is the catch.... I ate like a monster. Forced myself to eat 7-8 times a day. Always high quality foods and lots and lots of protein. I remember hearing once how you look is 20% of what you do in the gym and 80% of how you eat. Its true.
 
what about elevated prolactin levels? that is the only thing holding me back right now? endo that I am trying to get on hrt with wants to do mri and then dostinex... but I am reading all kinds of lawsuits about heart problems and dostinex... got anything in your bag of goodies for prolactin elevation Nelson?
 
Thats exactly what i've been thinking lately! Staying on 200mg of cypio a week and adding 100mg EOD of NPP for two weeks, then 3-4 weeks off. All with letro in low dose.

I'm not quite ready for HRT yet but maybe someone else willing to give it a try :)
 
Good thread but way over my fuckin head lol. ill stick to my 250mg a week:P (and yes i saw you sayin its for experienced ppl) it looks good tho man
 
Nelson i know ur on HRT. Have u urself done something like this? If so how did it go? Do u know anyone who does this? I think this might be a very safe way of going about juicing somewhere down the road so i'd be VERY interested in results.
 
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Nelson i know ur on HRT. Have u urself done something like this? If so how did it go? Do u know anyone who does this? I think this might be a very safe way of going about juicing somewhere down the road so i'd be VERY interested in results.

I haven't done exactly what I'm proposing but I've bumped up my dosage now and then and it definitely makes a difference and I don't experience any negatives. Of course, at my age and length of training I'm not going to make big gains anyway, nor am I interested in being much heavier, but over the course of time I feel it keeps me stronger, leaner and more muscular than the average mere mortal middle aged man. :)
 
Words from a wise one, it sounds very good. For the impatient bodybuilder, no, it wouldn't be. For those who choose to do it this way sounds like the gains will be more solid and permanent. Rome wasn't built in a day....
 
I took a look at this old thread and decided it needed a little update.

I do believe that after a certain point, instead of making big gains on a cycle and trying to keep them while off, it's best to do longer, lighter cycles and make slower more solid gains. Also,with supplements like HCGenerate, BRIDGE and GEAR, results can be better than ever.

As for HRT, I think after age 45 or so, cycles can just throw you off. You'd be better off doing 100-200 mgs of Primo along with the HRT and stay on. Or, an occasional oral before a heavy workout as a strength boost. It all adds up to better long term results.
 
Ding! I agree with you on this, heck i will do a dbol only at the max of 20mgs for at least 5 months.
(this is not every day ,only on training days.

RADAR
 
Well, that's quite the way it used to be in the old days, when boodybuilders looked at their best!
 
I took a look at this old thread and decided it needed a little update.

I do believe that after a certain point, instead of making big gains on a cycle and trying to keep them while off, it's best to do longer, lighter cycles and make slower more solid gains. Also,with supplements like HCGenerate, BRIDGE and GEAR, results can be better than ever.

As for HRT, I think after age 45 or so, cycles can just throw you off. You'd be better off doing 100-200 mgs of Primo along with the HRT and stay on. Or, an occasional oral before a heavy workout as a strength boost. It all adds up to better long term results.

So - after the age of 45 - one might do 250mg sust/wk and 100mgs Primo 2x/wk (say Mon & Thur) or is 250 sust/wk too high of a dose? if it is what about 100mg Test E 2x/wk - same days as Primo
 
hhmm.. interesting. MIght give this a try when im on HRT. which will propably be after my next cycle. seems like the ups and downs wouldnt be as drastic. My only problem would be maybe what Mr. Nitro said. But i guess if it takes a year to get your gains its propably the safer way to do it anyway. and more maintanable. Patience is the key.. cause i know when im bulking or cutting on a cycle i can make quick progress... but the I WANT IT KNOW mantality propably isnt the safe way to roll haha
 
cycle within HRT...blast and cruise. 100-200mg test/wk as HRT, every 4-8 weeks throw in something else for 4-8 weeks, or bump the test up, or both. Blast, and cruise. Yeah, I think it should be a real cycle (4-8 weeks) instead of one week of low dose primo added every 3 weeks.
 
Ok, this makes sense to me and the way I think. Nelson I know that you are not a big fan of Deca but could a guy use Deca in place of Pirmo. Am asking cuz I have a fair amount of Deca on hand. Also how about Dieselbolan and Katana? Or does would this method work pretty much with anything?
 
Ok, this makes sense to me and the way I think. Nelson I know that you are not a big fan of Deca but could a guy use Deca in place of Pirmo. Am asking cuz I have a fair amount of Deca on hand. Also how about Dieselbolan and Katana? Or does would this method work pretty much with anything?

Whoever said deca is similar to Primo should be shot. Deca is very suppressive and would mess up HRT.
 
Thanks Nelson. I didnt mean to infer that Deca was similar to Primo, I was just asking if Deca could be used in place of the Primo. Say I am on a TRT dose of Test Cyp @ 200mg/week and I wanted to add 100mg/week of Deca, per the procedure that you outlined. I know that is a small dose of Deca, however I am looking more for the effect as joint therapy. Anything aside from that would be icing on the cake. So would this be viable and effective over the long term for greater joint and soft tissue health in an old guy-50 yr old?
 
this sounds alot like what ive been recommending for a low dose AAS phase for years( bridging)
Example for a 250 lb male

Day 1 250 mg Primo + 50 mg test prop
Day 8 250 mg primo +50 mg test prop
Days 9-23 500iu hcg ed, 50-100 mg clomid, .5 mg dostinex every 3rd day

day 24 repeat day 1



do this up 2 3x in a row before hitting another route
 
I am a hugee fan of 10 mg am dbol! :D
 
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