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How Important Is Incline?

ExtraMile

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So my fav chest exercise is Flat DB Press, I also do Flat BB press because I want to compete as a PLer in the future, I much prefer flat DB press to Incline Db. I hate Incline BB and I tryed incline flyes today and didnt like them either.

I was thinking for chest just doing
Flat BB 1x5 1x8 1x12
Flat DB 3-4x8-10
Cable Crossover 3x15

Thing that occurs to me is people always talk about how good incline presses are, but would I really suffer not doing any incline work at all? Or am I just over thinking it all?
 
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If you don't like them don't do them... i can't believe this is a thread...

Actually..... If you don't like them, maybe you should prioritize them.

lol

If you are doing OHP's and are not fond of incline presses then don't worry about it.

One day you will love them though.
 
Actually..... If you don't like them, maybe you should prioritize them.

lol

If you are doing OHP's and are not fond of incline presses then don't worry about it.

One day you will love them though.

I love inclines and what pisses me off is that someone does an exercise for a couple of times and says that doesn't like it. That's why so many pussies don't do squats and deads, because they don't like them...

I love inclines more than bench press itself, but now i'm learning to like the bench because i'm progressing @ it.
 
I love inclines and what pisses me off is that someone does an exercise for a couple of times and says that doesn't like it. That's why so many pussies don't do squats and deads, because they don't like them...

I love inclines more than bench press itself, but now i'm learning to like the bench because i'm progressing @ it.

Same here. Low incline DB presses has to be my favorite "chest" exercise. I'm not built for flat BB but I hit them hard. They are one of the best upper body mass builders you can do.
 
Same here. Low incline DB presses has to be my favorite "chest" exercise. I'm not built for flat BB but I hit them hard. They are one of the best upper body mass builders you can do.

Yep! EM is just bitching and i have no idea why, he hits PR's every workout and still not happy about it..... :mad:
 
Extramile if you dont mind me saying you change your workout way to damn much bro. Your always switching all kinds of shit around and changing rep schemes adding and or droping exercises. Build a great program that focus's on your goals and absolutely kill yourself in the gym and then go home and eat then go to bed.


45 Degree Incline Curl,Kroc Rows,Kpipe Curls,BB Complex

Some of these listed are not needed at all. Kroc row??kpipe curl?? The fuck is that?

If your goal is to be powerlifter than you shouldnt be doing a ton of accessory shit, and your reps shouldnt be greater than 6 in my opinion. Also diet is extremely important.

This is just me giving contructive criticism. : )
 
I like CG inclines - feels like an entirely different exercise,

Both normal and close grip can be useful if you want to PL but this stuff isn't written in stone. Do enough of them so you understand what's going on and file it away for future reference.
 
Same here. Low incline DB presses has to be my favorite "chest" exercise. I'm not built for flat BB but I hit them hard. They are one of the best upper body mass builders you can do.

I love low incline DB presses. I hate flat bb press, and i don't do it. I feel as though I get better results from DB's anyways and they aren't as hard on my shoulders IMO.

BB press is just a dick sizer lift for the gym.
 
Stop changing shit all up all the time and just get on a heavy lift compound movement split. Your really young. Get to base building.

I do hate incline DB though. Despise it. (yes i have done them enough to know)
Love low incline BB though. Even though I have been stuck at 225 for two weeks. DOnt really do flat BB but I love flat DB. Broke into the 120 pounders tuesday. Psyched. I know its not alot for some of you freaks though. :biggrin:
 
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Yep! EM is just bitching and i have no idea why, he hits PR's every workout and still not happy about it..... :mad:
I never set a PR on my inclines. I tryed them for 6 weeks when I did the bill star 5x5, then stopped. Now I just finished 6 more weeks of them and still dont like them and never set any PR's.

Extramile if you dont mind me saying you change your workout way to damn much bro. Your always switching all kinds of shit around and changing rep schemes adding and or droping exercises. Build a great program that focus's on your goals and absolutely kill yourself in the gym and then go home and eat then go to bed.


45 Degree Incline Curl,Kroc Rows,Kpipe Curls,BB Complex

Some of these listed are not needed at all. Kroc row??kpipe curl?? The fuck is that?

If your goal is to be powerlifter than you shouldnt be doing a ton of accessory shit, and your reps shouldnt be greater than 6 in my opinion. Also diet is extremely important.

This is just me giving contructive criticism. : )

I know I change it too much, but I try and keep the program the same, I was on the bill star 5x5 for 3 months, only changed chins because doing them twice a week I wasnt progressing on them, now Im doing a split and Iv never done this before so Im just investigating what I like and stuff like that.

kroc row is a type of dumbell row, SL does them too.
kpipe curl is a variation of reverse curl, I just do 4 sets of them after my back workout. When I have sorted this incline stuff then Ill be done changing and stick with it.
 
if i dont like a certain movement, i make it a point do it more and not pussy out. the only way i wont do something is if it either hurts me or has been proven ineffective.

otherwise, why would you leave any stone unturned?

but it depends on your goals right?
 
if i dont like a certain movement, i make it a point do it more and not pussy out. the only way i wont do something is if it either hurts me or has been proven ineffective.

otherwise, why would you leave any stone unturned?

but it depends on your goals right?

Yeah, for me incline DB feels like an injury waiting to happen. Very uncomfortable.
 
Pretty much whatever muscle group I hated training the most I made into a Priority. Same for great exercises -- I used to hate Deadlifts and now they are hands down my single favorite exercise. I laugh when guys leg press 1000's of lbs and can't even squat 225.

I love doing Inclines personally, I start almost every chest workout with Incline Barbell Press bringing the bar down to my Adam's Apple, getting a nice stretch, and then pressing up.
 
Yeah, for me incline DB feels like an injury waiting to happen. Very uncomfortable.

I think incline barbell or db is a bad idea. Beats the hell out of the rotators. The bar does not need to descend to the part of the pec you wish to work, which is the whole idea behind inclines. In fact it doesn't need to descend to the pec at all. You can touch at the bottom of the sternum completely beneath the pec wall and get sore upper pecs the next day.
 
I like CG inclines - feels like an entirely different exercise,

Both normal and close grip can be useful if you want to PL but this stuff isn't written in stone. Do enough of them so you understand what's going on and file it away for future reference.

+1. I have to constantly remember myself of how good CG inclines are, it totally elminates lats influence and shows how good your upperbody pressing strength is.
 
I never set a PR on my inclines. I tryed them for 6 weeks when I did the bill star 5x5, then stopped. Now I just finished 6 more weeks of them and still dont like them and never set any PR's.



I know I change it too much, but I try and keep the program the same, I was on the bill star 5x5 for 3 months, only changed chins because doing them twice a week I wasnt progressing on them, now Im doing a split and Iv never done this before so Im just investigating what I like and stuff like that.

kroc row is a type of dumbell row, SL does them too.
kpipe curl is a variation of reverse curl, I just do 4 sets of them after my back workout. When I have sorted this incline stuff then Ill be done changing and stick with it.

When you sort this incline thing out, there'll always be something else lil CF. Like i said if you don't like them don't do them... now if you wanna start getting good at them then you gotta start prioritizing, what's gonna be?
 
Back to basics bro. Your workouts are getting way to complex for my tastes. You need consistent hevy weights with an occaisional changeup to ward off boredom and stagnation. I would not do squats, deads and bench over 5 reps. I would not do anyhting that is not a compound movement. Inclines are ok imo as it breaks up the monotony and will help the OHP.

I would use 5x5 as your template. There is no way a person who is still an avidly growing teenager is going to stagnate. When you think you do, skip that exercise the next week and do a variation and then hit that shit again the next week. Half this game is psychological.

I know you are tremendously concerned with your appearance and BF% as was I. I would have a 1500 lb total if I hadn't dicked around trying to be lean for the first 14 years of lifting. Your body will grow into itself. When you get your squat and dead up to 500 lbs you can high rep squat all you want to get that BB physique. Until then, don't shortchange yourself calorie wise until you are atleast 21 and preferably 25.

We are all trying to help. You have great potential and we want to see you hit you goals and become a monster.

Use the fitday with different caloric intakes and see how your body responds. When you find the level that keeps you the same weight, add 100-500 more so you don't gain to much fat. don't let yourself get hungry, but don't overeat either.
 
Back to basics bro. Your workouts are getting way to complex for my tastes. You need consistent hevy weights with an occaisional changeup to ward off boredom and stagnation. I would not do squats, deads and bench over 5 reps. I would not do anyhting that is not a compound movement. Inclines are ok imo as it breaks up the monotony and will help the OHP.

I would use 5x5 as your template. There is no way a person who is still an avidly growing teenager is going to stagnate. When you think you do, skip that exercise the next week and do a variation and then hit that shit again the next week. Half this game is psychological.

I know you are tremendously concerned with your appearance and BF% as was I. I would have a 1500 lb total if I hadn't dicked around trying to be lean for the first 14 years of lifting. Your body will grow into itself. When you get your squat and dead up to 500 lbs you can high rep squat all you want to get that BB physique. Until then, don't shortchange yourself calorie wise until you are atleast 21 and preferably 25.

We are all trying to help. You have great potential and we want to see you hit you goals and become a monster.

Use the fitday with different caloric intakes and see how your body responds. When you find the level that keeps you the same weight, add 100-500 more so you don't gain to much fat. don't let yourself get hungry, but don't overeat either.

This is good bro material right here! K to you!
 
I think incline barbell or db is a bad idea. Beats the hell out of the rotators. The bar does not need to descend to the part of the pec you wish to work, which is the whole idea behind inclines. In fact it doesn't need to descend to the pec at all. You can touch at the bottom of the sternum completely beneath the pec wall and get sore upper pecs the next day.

I like low incline BB though. Doesnt phase my rotators.
 
Back to basics bro. Your workouts are getting way to complex for my tastes. You need consistent hevy weights with an occaisional changeup to ward off boredom and stagnation. I would not do squats, deads and bench over 5 reps. I would not do anyhting that is not a compound movement. Inclines are ok imo as it breaks up the monotony and will help the OHP.

I would use 5x5 as your template. There is no way a person who is still an avidly growing teenager is going to stagnate. When you think you do, skip that exercise the next week and do a variation and then hit that shit again the next week. Half this game is psychological.

I know you are tremendously concerned with your appearance and BF% as was I. I would have a 1500 lb total if I hadn't dicked around trying to be lean for the first 14 years of lifting. Your body will grow into itself. When you get your squat and dead up to 500 lbs you can high rep squat all you want to get that BB physique. Until then, don't shortchange yourself calorie wise until you are atleast 21 and preferably 25.

We are all trying to help. You have great potential and we want to see you hit you goals and become a monster.

Use the fitday with different caloric intakes and see how your body responds. When you find the level that keeps you the same weight, add 100-500 more so you don't gain to much fat. don't let yourself get hungry, but don't overeat either.

Im about to hit you with a pm bro, thanks for all your help previously too, it doesnt go un-noticed :)
 
No BB for me.

Inc DB
Inc Smith
Flat HS
Inc HS

I mix these up, and inclines are done @ 30 deg.
 
I think incline barbell or db is a bad idea. Beats the hell out of the rotators. The bar does not need to descend to the part of the pec you wish to work, which is the whole idea behind inclines. In fact it doesn't need to descend to the pec at all. You can touch at the bottom of the sternum completely beneath the pec wall and get sore upper pecs the next day.

I completely disagree with that. Doing barbell incline with perfect form is not going to cause injury. Ive never felt any stress on my rotator at all and Ive done working sets with 275.
 
BB incline with free weights kills my shoulders although i could do them on the smith machine with no problem, and i do working sets with 315lb. I could also do heavy DB on a inline with no problem.
 
I completely disagree with that. Doing barbell incline with perfect form is not going to cause injury. Ive never felt any stress on my rotator at all and Ive done working sets with 275.

And it's totally possibly you haven't. If you keep your upper arms at 45 degrees from your torso it take a lot of stress off the rotators. Problem is a lot of people fan their arms out much closer to 90 degrees which puts a hell of a lot of pressure on the rotators. They feel that stretch in the pecs from going 90 degrees on their elbow placement and the attrition that slowly accumulates in the rotators from years of doing that gets substantial.
 
Bill Starr on inclines

I’ll start with the incline. It’s my favorite upper-body exercise because it’s a pure movement. By pure I mean it’s extremely difficult o cheat while doing it. Cheating is another word for sloppy technique. Since incline presses have to be performed correctly, there’s less stress on your shoulders and elbows, which reduces the risk of injury to those joints. What’s more, when you do any exercise perfectly, you get better results than when you use sloppy form.

When I see people in a fitness center doing inclines, it’s usually as an auxiliary movement, after they’ve done their flat benches. As a result, they use token weights. They don’t know that in the late 1950’s and early 60’s the top strength athletes used the incline as their primary upper-body exercise. Greats such as Parry O’Brien, Dallas Long, Randy Matson, Al Oerter and Harold Connolly handled well over 400 pounds on the incline. Ken Patera used it to enhance his overhead press and ended up with an amazing 507, which will forever stand as the American record in the Olympic press.

So id you decide to make the incline one of your core exercises, plan on leaning on it and pushing the numbers up – way up. Before you stack on the plated, however, you must learn the correct technique. Proper form is essential on this lift, and you must spend adequate time mastering it if you ever want to elevate big numbers.

If you try some of the tactics used for the flat bench, they backfire on you. When lifters rebound the bar off their chest on the incline, it darts forward, and there’s no way o them to bring it back into the correct line. Even the old standby, bridging, doesn’t help. What I once wrote about the incline still holds true: “You can squirm, you can jerk about and you can rebound the bar until you cough up blood, but you’re never going to find an effective method of cheating on the incline. That’s what I like about it.”

Your form has to be exact, and that’s good because all the muscles and attachments get worked exactly as they should. As a result, gains come quickly and consistently.

The first time people do inclines, they invariably touch the bar too low on their chest, close to where they place it for a flat bench. That’s incorrect. Touching the bar low will make it run forward, something you don’t want. The bar should touch high on your chest, just under your Adam’s apple, where your collarbone meets your breastbone. The incline differs from the flat bench in that you drive the bar upward in a perfectly straight line. I tell my lifters to imagine they’re moving the bar inside a Smith machine.

Keep your elbows turned out during the incline. Never tuck them in close to your body as you do on the flat-bench press. Before you take the bar out of the rack, plant your feet firmly on the floor and squeeze yourself down into the bench. Become the bench (I know it’s trite, but it might help you remember the point).

I always insist that m athletes use a thumbs-around-the-bar grip rather than the false grip that many use on the flat bench. The false grip is risky. The bar can slip out of your hand n a heartbeat, and since the weight is directly over your face, the consequences can be disastrous. Another reason the secure grip is better is that it enables you to guide the bar back to the correct groove if it starts to run forward. And heavy weights always want to run forward. With the false grip there’s absolutely nothing you can do once the bar moves away from your body.

On the subject of safety: the incline is an exercise that requires a spotter. The spotter, by the way, isn’t there to help you through your sticking point. He or she should only touch the bar once you’ve failed and the help you rack the weight. If the spotter touches the bar before you’ve locked it out, that rep was a failure. The spotter’s job is to assist you in reracking the bar. Often it’s hard to see the uprights because they’re behind you, and you misjudge the distance. It causes the bar to fly over the back of the bench or, worse, come crashing down on your face. So always ask someone to spot you. It doesn’t have to be a particularly strong person, since all he or she is really doing is helping you set the bar back in the uprights.

The spotter can, of course, also assist you in taking the bar out of the rack. Once you have it in your hand, push up against it to assure that you have complete control of it. Lower the bar in a controlled manner to your chest. Don’t allow it to crash downward. Pull it into your chest, hesitate a brief moment, then drive it upward forcefully in a straight line. The bar will almost touch your nose. The movement, both up and down, should be smooth, not herky-jerky. When you finish your final rep, have your spotter assist you in putting the bar back in the rack. Make sure it’s securely in the rack before you release your grip on it.

Where you grip the bar depends to some extent on your shoulder width, but another important point is that you want to keep your forearms vertical throughout the exercise. if they’re not vertical throughout, you’re giving away some power. Many use a very wide grip, saying that they want to work the outside of their chest more, but that’s really stressful to the shoulder joints and doesn’t let you use as much weight. To find the grip width I recommend for most lifters, extend your thumbs on an Olympic bar so that they barely touch the smooth center.

Vary the sets and reps each time you do inclines. At one workout do 5 sets of 5 with a back-off set of 8 or 10. The next time do 3 sets of 5 as warmups followed by 3 sets of heavy triples and then a back-off set. Then do 3 sets of 5 followed by 3 sets of doubles or singles with a back-off set. The slight change will involve the muscles and attachments in a slightly different manner, helping you to make consistent gains.

The Tight Tan Slacks of Dezso Ban: Banish The Bench - Bill Starr
 
All in all it goes by biomechanics, my body allows me to do as much weight on inclined bb as in bench press and i think if i prioritized my inclined would be slightly better than bench. The bar path it's important though for strength training while keeping you injury free, i usually take the bar to the sternum and finish up @ eye level because it allows for more explosiveness from the bottom.

I could never do it the way Bill Starr describes it hurts my shoulders.
 
And it's totally possibly you haven't. If you keep your upper arms at 45 degrees from your torso it take a lot of stress off the rotators. Problem is a lot of people fan their arms out much closer to 90 degrees which puts a hell of a lot of pressure on the rotators. They feel that stretch in the pecs from going 90 degrees on their elbow placement and the attrition that slowly accumulates in the rotators from years of doing that gets substantial.

I do agree with you here. Really any bench movement with arms fanning out is going to cause major stress in areas that cannot take it.
 
Dude like someone said stick to something and hit it hard!

I never do bb incling, only db incline. You will not have a underdeveloped chest. I have never seen anyone that had a huge chest and their upper chest way WAY out of proportion. Your whole chest gets hit when you do flat presses so if you can put up 315 you will have a solid chest.

I know what you are saying. You have a bunch of different goals, but trying to put them all in 1 routine. Cant do that my man. focus on 1, improve it, then move it to the next!
 
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