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This is when I get really annoyed with black people............

redsamurai

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Here we go again........two black kids hold up a pharmacy at gun point, the pharmacist shoots back and the NAACP is getting involved. I'm really fucking tired of this.

How can you ring up the pharmacist on "1st degree" murder? It's perfectly reasonable to question whether he had to fire those final shots, and he probably should spend some time in jail. "However", you can already see the kids mother making an emotional plea of "he didn't have to shoot my baby like that" and of course the DA is going to file the harshest charges possible to avoid riots. I am waiting for the day when some white kids stick up a black owned store and then get treated as little misguided choir boys. Again, the dude probably didn't have to seal the deal on the kid........."BUT", how many of you would have come back in and done the same thing after you watched two dudes point guns at you and your coworkers? I "might" have done the same thing in the adrenaline fueled rage that comes with a fire fight like that. Moral or immoral, it's the result of an unlawful act to begin with.....

They'll get the black community down there all riled up if they sense the verdict may not go their way......that's how the NAACP operates now.

I can "honestly" say that if it was my kid that tried to stick up a store and got shot in the process in the way this kid did........I'm not saying I would be completely complacent.......but I would have the honor and dignity not to say shit to the media and certainly not say any shit about the pharmacist. The reality is my kid entered a store with the intent of armed robbery............I mean really, enough said. So as much as I feel for a mother having lost her kid.................please shut the fuck up about your kid, he wasn't no angel. He made a life altering choice and probably would have shot someone else if things had gone just slightly differently...........than what? With some people there's just something wrong with their logic matrix. Something somewhere has just gone wrong.........I don't get it.
 
Then, in a scene recorded by the drugstore's security camera, he went behind the counter, got another gun, and pumped five more bullets into the wounded teenager as he lay on the floor.
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WTF? C'mon, rob!
 
The last 5 were a mistake because the guy was down and therefore no longer a threat...anything before that was fair game.
 
"Eliminate the threat?"

If you're being shot at by someone trying to kill you, guy go down, he's 1 foot away, he tries to get up - you going to stand there and let him jump for you and tackle you and try to get your gun and kill you? Or kill him? How do you DON'T know he doesn't have another gun in another pocket? Going to frisk him, take a chance?

Either way, he should've known is was a black kid - and if he shot him it would've turned into a racial incident. He was stupid. He should've only done it if the kid was white. He should go to jail for being unPC stupid.

r
 
the guy should not get off scott free for taking those final shots.........but I challenge any of you in this thread to say with 100% certainty you wouldn't do the same. If you knew that a month ago some similiar store owner got shot cause he rolled over and gave em what they wanted, you're saying with 100% certainty that you wouldn't finish the kid? 1st degree murder is ridiculous. That pharmacist would have done nothing different no matter the race of the robbers, but the situation is going to get penned as "racial" because the NAACP is involved. "This" is what irks me.

If it was me as the pharmacist I would absolutely accept some form of punishment as I did go too far........but extenuating circumstances forbid this from being a 1st degree case. By charging the dude in 1st degree they are making NO DISTINCTIONS between him and say if one of those kids had opened fire with an AK and hosed the entire store. As long as a legal distinction is made between a man put under those circustances and these kids who walk into a store to commit armed robbery of their own free will......I'm ok with it.

I just intensely dislike the double standard I see coming from black people in communities where something like this happens. Cops can't go into certain hoods without full body army and assault rifles cause their mere presence incites well founded paranoia that somebodies hustle is about to end. Yet a white store owner goes to far in defending himself and he's supposed to be held to the highest standard akin to being a police officer. This would be completely if a cop had done this. The dude was an old pharmacist. Imagine if any of us meatheads got in a fire fight like that and came back in and saw the first dude still moving..........it ain't right, but y'all got to understand. Shit like that, actually much worse, goes down in the hood DAILY and nobody fusses......."that's life" according to black people. So why does the standard change when it's an old white dude?
 
redsamurai said:
the guy should not get off scott free for taking those final shots.........but I challenge any of you in this thread to say with 100% certainty you wouldn't do the same. If you knew that a month ago some similiar store owner got shot cause he rolled over and gave em what they wanted, you're saying with 100% certainty that you wouldn't finish the kid? 1st degree murder is ridiculous. That pharmacist would have done nothing different no matter the race of the robbers, but the situation is going to get penned as "racial" because the NAACP is involved. "This" is what irks me.

If it was me as the pharmacist I would absolutely accept some form of punishment as I did go too far........but extenuating circumstances forbid this from being a 1st degree case. By charging the dude in 1st degree they are making NO DISTINCTIONS between him and say if one of those kids had opened fire with an AK and hosed the entire store. As long as a legal distinction is made between a man put under those circustances and these kids who walk into a store to commit armed robbery of their own free will......I'm ok with it.

I just intensely dislike the double standard I see coming from black people in communities where something like this happens. Cops can't go into certain hoods without full body army and assault rifles cause their mere presence incites well founded paranoia that somebodies hustle is about to end. Yet a white store owner goes to far in defending himself and he's supposed to be held to the highest standard akin to being a police officer. This would be completely if a cop had done this. The dude was an old pharmacist. Imagine if any of us meatheads got in a fire fight like that and came back in and saw the first dude still moving..........it ain't right, but y'all got to understand. Shit like that, actually much worse, goes down in the hood DAILY and nobody fusses......."that's life" according to black people. So why does the standard change when it's an old white dude?
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Did you just arrive in America yesterday? If so, welcome! And yes, PC has been going on for 20 years at least. White people are evil, accept it.

And no I wouldn't do the same. If i was white and he was black, I know what hell would erupt in my life if I shot him. Instead i would run out the door to safety.

r
 
fuck that little piece of shit. got what he deserved.

your judgement is not going to be the same under the circumstances.

you try to rob me and i have a chance to kill you, you're going to die.

play with fire get burned
 
It's getting to the point where people seem to forget that the initial crime got committed in the first place and that the people involved should have to deal with the consequences. Why even have a business or home anymore if you can't defend it from a criminal?

Here in TO we just had a situation where a grocery store owner caught a guy shoplifting, went after him and brought him back to the store tied up and then called police. They showed up and charged the thief with theft (misdemeanor) and then charged the OWNER with kidnapping and assault (felonies)!
 
ponyfitness said:
It's getting to the point where people seem to forget that the initial crime got committed in the first place and that the people involved should have to deal with the consequences. Why even have a business or home anymore if you can't defend it from a criminal?

Here in TO we just had a situation where a grocery store owner caught a guy shoplifting, went after him and brought him back to the store tied up and then called police. They showed up and charged the thief with theft (misdemeanor) and then charged the OWNER with kidnapping and assault (felonies)!
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You can't do that in a country where criminals are viewed upon as victims!! He should've known better. Come to the us if he wants to do shit like that.

r
 
calveless wonder said:
fuck that little piece of shit. got what he deserved.

your judgement is not going to be the same under the circumstances.

you try to rob me and i have a chance to kill you, you're going to die.

play with fire get burned
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I agree. The two kids who held up the pharmacy do not deserve to live. There is no place in society for people like this. Regardless of skin tone.

I will say that the pharmacist should have used better judgement. The kid was down and not getting up. The threat was removed. He should have removed the kids weapon and called the police. He will have his day in court and I imagine he will serve time for this.

The local black community and NAACP should take the resources being used to stir the pot over this situation and try to prevent these things from happening in the future rather than react after the fact. Where were these kids parents/teachers/mentors?
 
Always wondered.

Where is the NAACP when blacks murder other blacks? Why do they come out only when a black is murdered by a white? So the 95% of blacks who are murdered by blacks or hispanics don't mean anything?

r
 
Why stop at 5 shots i would have emptied the clip in that POS
 
If you are forced to shot dead beat mutha fuckers it is always best to kill them, so that they can not sue you. They should give this dude a medal.
 
I always love it too when the parents get all self-righteous and say how good of a kid he was instead of realizing that they raised a criminal. Maybe if you had paid more attention he wouldn't have been committing armed robbery.
 
ponyfitness said:
Here in TO we just had a situation where a grocery store owner caught a guy shoplifting, went after him and brought him back to the store tied up and then called police. They showed up and charged the thief with theft (misdemeanor) and then charged the OWNER with kidnapping and assault (felonies)!
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that's just unspeakably retarded.
 
ponyfitness said:
I always love it too when the parents get all self-righteous and say how good of a kid he was instead of realizing that they raised a criminal. Maybe if you had paid more attention he wouldn't have been committing armed robbery.
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yep, that's what gets me. I completely understand a woman lamenting the loss of her child, but at least own up to who and what your kid was. Don't call him "your baby" when more than likely you didn't give a fuck about him till he got shot.
 
SouthernLord said:
The local black community and NAACP should take the resources being used to stir the pot over this situation and try to prevent these things from happening in the future rather than react after the fact. Where were these kids parents/teachers/mentors?
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Well, lets at least be accurate about this.

Anthony Douglas, president of the Oklahoma chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, called a news conference to praise the district attorney for bringing the murder charge. But he said the organization has taken no position on Ersland's guilt or innocence.

"We want the system to do its job," Douglas said.
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So what's the problem?

If I'm reading the story correctly the thugs never fired a shot so when one guy runs off and the other is lying on the ground shot how much danger are you still in? As far as the dead kid getting what he deserved the punishment for armed robbery is not death so no, he didn't get what he deserved. All the surviving thugs are also charged with murder, which is normal when one of the perpetrators is killed during a crime.

If you want to get annoyed at black folk just watch this series of videos a couple of times. I have and I have no fucking clue WTF these fools are talking about.

 
calveless wonder said:
fuck that little piece of shit. got what he deserved.

your judgement is not going to be the same under the circumstances.

you try to rob me and i have a chance to kill you, you're going to die.

play with fire get burned
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Agreed, it's kill or be killed in those circumstances. Those pieces of shit knew what they were getting into when the made the choice to hold the guy up under gunpoint. Karma is a bitch!
 
maybe the young man's life wasn't in vain...hopefully his thugamuffin friends will benefit from this.
could be the life lesson they need.
i wonder if the pharma was black if the naacp would get invovled?
 
bino said:
i wonder if the pharma was black if the naacp would get invovled?
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no they wouldn't........this is what irks the shit out of me. If the pharmacist was black, he was just handlin his bidness you know...........but if he's anything but black.....:rolleyes:


And I'm not even saying that the pharmacist doesn't need to spend anytime in jail, he does. But 1st degree murder is saying he did no less than if one of those kids had shot someone in that pharmacy in the commission of an armed robbery. And I will not accept the inevitable deification of that young boy.
 
redsamurai said:
no they wouldn't........this is what irks the shit out of me. If the pharmacist was black, he was just handlin his bidness you know...........but if he's anything but black.....:rolleyes:


And I'm not even saying that the pharmacist doesn't need to spend anytime in jail, he does. But 1st degree murder is saying he did no less than if one of those kids had shot someone in that pharmacy in the commission of an armed robbery. And I will not accept the inevitable deification of that young boy.
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I disagree, if someone comes at you with a gun, you have the right to kill them...I think it's pretty cut and dry. it just so happened to be a major 'occupational' risk for those kids. And in my opinion, we as a society are better off without them.
 
i think temporary insanity (after having some punk try and blow your head off), would justify making sure the lil nig didnt get back up.

the mother should be lynched too.

he def didnt have to shoot her baby like that, and maybe if she was a better mother her wanna be gangsta/dealer child would have been in school instead of robbing drug stores.
 
black, white, messican, asian...doesn't matter. Kid got what he deserved. Don't point a gun in another mans face if you're not prepared to exhange a few rounds.
 
pdaddyII said:
I disagree, if someone comes at you with a gun, you have the right to kill them...I think it's pretty cut and dry. it just so happened to be a major 'occupational' risk for those kids. And in my opinion, we as a society are better off without them.
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he went and got another gun specifically to finish the kid when there was no more threat........I "understand" this action, but I can't condone it even though it is likely I may very well have done the same thing. Some punishment is in order, but by the state.........the kids' family absolutely cannot be allowed to financially gain from his decision to commit armed robbery. Which in reality is precisely what's going to happen. They're going to acquit the pharmacist on 1st degree charges but leave him open to a civil suit which they will pressure him to accept and it all get's swept under the rug. The family is paid their "ransom" and go off quietly.
 
redsamurai said:
no, but close.......oklahoma I beleive.
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My point being that if this happened in the state of Texas NO ONE would give a fat rat's ass. The kids used a gun to try to hold up a store. The owner shot them dead.

End of story.

Oklahoma AINT the state of Texas. It may be close geographically but that don't make it "close".
 
redsamurai said:
please, it's like the difference between an Irish catholic and an Irish protestant.........still an irritating drunk mick.....:lmao:
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I haven't yet been made aware that Oklahomans are as gun-liberal as texans. I am thinkin by the news story they aren't.

Bottom line is that if this situation occured in the state of Texas the only thing you would hear is:

"Two youths were shot to death when they tried to rob a store-owner at gunpoint."

There would be no NAACP or Jesse Jackson or funds being raised so that the family of the "victims" (low-life pieces of shit) could sue the store-owner and the state for allowing the store-owner to defend his store/property as he saw fit within the confines of the law.

EVERYONE reading/heard about the story would say, "Thank goodness I live in the state of Texas where a law-abiding citizen can defend their lives/property with deadly force. PERIOD."
 
ponyfitness said:
It's getting to the point where people seem to forget that the initial crime got committed in the first place and that the people involved should have to deal with the consequences. Why even have a business or home anymore if you can't defend it from a criminal?

Here in TO we just had a situation where a grocery store owner caught a guy shoplifting, went after him and brought him back to the store tied up and then called police. They showed up and charged the thief with theft (misdemeanor) and then charged the OWNER with kidnapping and assault (felonies)!
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I wonder what happened to citizens power of arrest.

Section 494. (Criminal Code)[6]

(1) ARREST WITHOUT WARRANT BY ANY PERSON

Any one may arrest without warrant/s

(a) a person whom he finds committing an indictable offence; or

(b) a person who, on reasonable grounds, he believes

(i) has committed a criminal offence, and

(ii) is escaping from and freshly pursued by persons who have lawful authority to arrest that person

(2) ARREST BY OWNER, ETC., OF PROPERTY
 
Hung jury at best for the prosecution. Have I said that Im glad that piece of shit is dead yet?
 
a wounded little shit on the floor can still pull out another gun and shoot you. maybe you don't have to kill him but i def wouldve at least shot his hands.
 
Dial_tone said:
Well, lets at least be accurate about this.


So what's the problem?

If I'm reading the story correctly the thugs never fired a shot so when one guy runs off and the other is lying on the ground shot how much danger are you still in? As far as the dead kid getting what he deserved the punishment for armed robbery is not death so no, he didn't get what he deserved. All the surviving thugs are also charged with murder, which is normal when one of the perpetrators is killed during a crime.

If you want to get annoyed at black folk just watch this series of videos a couple of times. I have and I have no fucking clue WTF these fools are talking about.

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I'm with Dialtone on this one.

If someone points gun in your face you have every right to defend yourself with equally deadly force. HOWEVER, when you shoot them, then go get a different gun and come back to shoot a wounded man lying on the ground 5 more times; that's no longer self-defense.

The man should be subject to prosecution for that. I'm sure the jury will see the actual surveylance tape and hear testimony regarding the man's state of mind after staring down the barrel of a gun.

But if I were Czar of America, there's no way the kids family would be entitled to one dime in a civil suit. If you decide to go outside the law and rob someone at gun-point. You shouldn't be protected under the law from anything that results.

BTW, when is the N (double A) CP going to chang it's name to the N quadruple A; National Association for the Advancement of African Americans?
 
BIKINIMOM said:
My point being that if this happened in the state of Texas NO ONE would give a fat rat's ass. The kids used a gun to try to hold up a store. The owner shot them dead.

End of story.

Oklahoma AINT the state of Texas. It may be close geographically but that don't make it "close".
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oklahoma has the same sort of laws as texas regarding this.
 
If someone comes on my turf with a gun, they can expect 10 rounds of hollow point .40's in their chest and head.


Kid got what was coming to him.
 
dabuffguy said:
If someone comes on my turf with a gun, they can expect 10 rounds of hollow point .40's in their chest and head.


Kid got what was coming to him.
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and unless your turf is your own home you can expect to be arrested as a result.
 
I dunno, if you see a poisonous snake creep into your kid's bedroom, you're not gonna wait and see if it's gonna strike, you're just attack that shit to make sure it doesn't get the chance to. shouldn't be in there in the first place. is how i see it
 
canadianhitman said:
Ain't that the damn truth; I'm so sick of the Liberal assholes in this country (especially Toronto area!!!).
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you would love texsas bor. if you cuold put up with the heat of course lol.
we have the death penalty and we fuckin use it.
 
Murder one is a ridiculous charge. Who cares if he finished the job anyway? They were there to rob and possibly kill him. I'd have skinned them and mailed it to their mothers while I was at it.
 
nimbus said:
oklahoma has the same sort of laws as texas regarding this.
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There was a story not that long ago where an older gentleman shot and killed a young man who was burglarizing his neighbor's home. He shot the fellow IN THE BACK and killed him. I also believe that the burglar was unarmed.

The old guy was hailed as a hero so apparently Texans look at this just *that much* differently than Oklahomans.

I LOVE the state of Texas. :)
 
myway said:
lotta racist fuks in this thread
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i hate any race that collectively believes they deserve special treatment.

doesnt mean i hate every member of that race, just means any special or exotic or cool aura of the race gets destroyed by all the negative whining.

the only races i really see this MEMEME attitude with are jews, blacks, and teenage girls
 
BIKINIMOM said:
There was a story not that long ago where an older gentleman shot and killed a young man who was burglarizing his neighbor's home. He shot the fellow IN THE BACK and killed him. I also believe that the burglar was unarmed.

The old guy was hailed as a hero so apparently Texans look at this just *that much* differently than Oklahomans.

I LOVE the state of Texas. :)
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This is awesome.....

HOUSTON - Ever since he fatally shot two men he suspected of burglarizing his next-door neighbor's home, 62-year-old Joe Horn has been both praised and vilified for his actions.

Horn called 911 and told the dispatcher he had a shotgun and was going to kill the intruders. The dispatcher pleaded with him not to go outside, but a defiant Horn confronted the men with a 12-gauge shotgun and shot both in the back.

Some community activists wanted Horn to face charges for the deaths. Supporters of the retired grandfather said what he did was justified under the law.

After listening to evidence in the case, including testimony from Horn himself, a grand jury on Monday cleared him of the shootings.
"He wasn't acting like a vigilante. He didn't want to do it," said Tom Lambright, Horn's attorney.

Lambright said Horn was not a "wild cowboy" who took the law into his own hands after he saw the two suspected burglars, with bags in hand, crawling out of windows from his neighbor's home on Nov. 14 in the Houston suburb of Pasadena. The neighbor was out of town at the time.

Instead, Horn was a frightened retiree who tried to defend his neighbor's property and when the two men came onto his yard and threatened him, Horn defended himself, Lambright said.

"He was scared. He was in fear of his life," he said.

Grand jurors had to consider two issues in the case: the intentional killing of another person and whether the killing was justified either by self-defense or the defense of property, Harris County District Attorney Kenneth Magidson told reporters.

"I understand the concerns of some in the community regarding Mr. Horn's conduct," Magidson said. "The grand jury concluded that Mr. Horn's use of deadly force did not rise to a criminal offense."

Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they are in mortal danger. In limited circumstances, people also can use deadly force to protect their neighbor's property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he's out of town. It's not clear whether the neighbor whose home was burglarized asked Horn to watch over his house.

Frank Ortiz, a member of the local League of United Latin American Citizens chapter, said he hopes federal authorities investigate the case further.
"That's amazing that they would no-bill him with so much evidence against him," Ortiz told the Houston Chronicle in Monday's online edition. "This was no more than a vigilante."

Horn did not speak with reporters on Monday.
A large red sign with the words "No Trespass" on it blocked the path to his front door and a handwritten sign on the door said "Please no media," "No Trespassing" and "Do not knock or ring bell." A couple of neighbors also had signs on their doors asking media to leave them alone.

A few police cars patrolled the area near Horn's home.

The two suspected burglars, Hernando Riascos Torres, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, were unemployed illegal immigrants from Colombia. Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction.

The city of Pasadena, where protesters and defenders of Horn engaged in counter-demonstrations, pledged to keep its police force staffed enough to protect its citizens.

Keith Hampton, a Houston attorney not connected with the case, said he didn't expect Horn to be indicted. "This is a real conservative county," he said. "A lot of folks in Houston and Harris County are saying this man was doing a good thing."

In the 911 call, a dispatcher urges Horn to stay inside his house and not risk lives.

"Don't go outside the house," the 911 operator pleaded. "You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don't care what you think."

"You want to make a bet?" Horn answered. "I'm going to kill them."
After the shooting, he redialed 911.

"I had no choice," he said, his voice shaking. "They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick."
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Horn: He’s coming out the window right now, I gotta go, buddy. I’m sorry, but he’s coming out the window.
Dispatcher: Don’t, don’t — don’t go out the door. Mr. Horn? Mr. Horn?
Horn: They just stole something. I’m going after them, I’m sorry.
Dispatcher: Don’t go outside.
Horn: I ain’t letting them get away with this s--t. They stole something. They got a bag of something.
Dispatcher: Don’t go outside the house.
Horn: I’m doing this.
Dispatcher: Mr. Horn, do not go outside the house.
Horn: I’m sorry. This ain’t right, buddy.
Dispatcher: You’re going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun, I don’t care what you think.
Horn: You want to make a bet?
Dispatcher: OK? Stay in the house.
Horn: They’re getting away!
Dispatcher: That’s all right. Property’s not worth killing someone over, OK?
Horn: [curses]
Dispatcher: Don’t go out the house. Don’t be shooting nobody. I know you’re pissed and you’re frustrated, but don’t do it.
Horn: They got a bag of loot.
Dispatcher: OK. How big is the bag ... which way are they going?
Horn: I’m going outside. I’ll find out.
Dispatcher: I don’t want you going outside, Mr. Horn.
Horn: Well, here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.
Dispatcher: Don’t go outside.
Horn: [yelling] Move, you’re dead!
[Sound of shots being fired]
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Sub-Zero said:
i hate any race that collectively believes they deserve special treatment.
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Where is the special treatment requested in that story?
 
Dial_tone said:
and unless your turf is your own home you can expect to be arrested as a result.
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so the store owner should have just "yessum boys, c'mon in and help yourselves to whatever"??? If you point a gun at someone and they happen to be packin, sucks for you if they get off the first shot. And with regards to the kid who was lying on the ground, I'm not condoning the man's actions........but put yourself in the same circumstance, you may very well do the same shit. It ain't "right", but it is "real". And that's what black folks are always talkin about anyway, "oh it's real". But when it "get's real" for one of em at the hands of a white dude.......it's all wrong all of a sudden. I don't get that. You go to any hood and point a gun in someone's face, see what happens. You can than put the gun down and be completely unarmed, you still gettin shot......right off the top.
 
redsamurai said:
so the store owner should have just "yessum boys, c'mon in and help yourselves to whatever"??? If you point a gun at someone and they happen to be packin, sucks for you if they get off the first shot. And with regards to the kid who was lying on the ground, I'm not condoning the man's actions........but put yourself in the same circumstance, you may very well do the same shit. It ain't "right", but it is "real". And that's what black folks are always talkin about anyway, "oh it's real". But when it "get's real" for one of em at the hands of a white dude.......it's all wrong all of a sudden. I don't get that. You go to any hood and point a gun in someone's face, see what happens. You can than put the gun down and be completely unarmed, you still gettin shot......right off the top.
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That store owner was keepin' it real, that's for damn sure.
 
redsamurai said:
so the store owner should have just "yessum boys, c'mon in and help yourselves to whatever"??? If you point a gun at someone and they happen to be packin, sucks for you if they get off the first shot. And with regards to the kid who was lying on the ground, I'm not condoning the man's actions........but put yourself in the same circumstance, you may very well do the same shit.
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I can pretty much assure you I am not going to reload, walk up to someone laying on the ground and put five more into them. I'm going to tie them up so they don't get away, call 911, put the gun down and move away from it. That way the police don't walk up with me holding it and have to be on the defensive right away.
 
Dial_tone said:
I can pretty much assure you I am not going to reload, walk up to someone laying on the ground and put five more into them. I'm going to tie them up so they don't get away, call 911, put the gun down and move away from it. That way the police don't walk up with me holding it and have to be on the defensive right away.
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Going back and shooting him again was no bueno.

He should have shot him 3 times right off the bat to finish him.


I feel bad the kid died, I really do. But he deserved it nonetheless.
 
I think that it is a natural reflex for anyone who is NOT a trained professional to keep shooting until the other party is dead if they were assaulted with a deadly weapon.

I'm sorry but if you point a gun at me prepare to be shot DEAD. I would have ZERO moral qualms shooting ANYONE in the chest or between the eyes if they pointed their gun at me.

IMHO The only mistake the store owner made was not fatally shooting him with the first shot.

I CAN'T WAIT to get my carry permit.
 
dabuffguy said:
Going back and shooting him again was no bueno.

He should have shot him 3 times right off the bat to finish him.


I feel bad the kid died, I really do. But he deserved it nonetheless.
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You feel badly that the scurge of the earth was prevented from harming anyone again?

I would feel badly if he maimed/killed the shop-owner and lived to do it to more people.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
You feel badly that the scurge of the earth was prevented from harming anyone again?

I would feel badly if he maimed/killed the shop-owner and lived to do it to more people.
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It's unfortunate that someone died, but like I said, he deserved it.

It's always a shame when people die doing things like this, even if the person that died was the offender.


But you are correct, I am glad also that he can't do this to other people. He had it coming to him.
 
string_bean00 said:
hey at least now we don't have to pay to feed the piece of shit while he's in prison, waiting to get out and rape/steal/murder
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Oh come on now. Surely you don't mind your tax dollars going to feed, house, clothe and provide entertainment ala cable TV for such people?
 
Having been accused of a crime I didn't commit and also being married to a man that was also accused of a crime he didn't commit (My husband was finally cleared. I don't think I will ever be.) we have first hand knowledge of how fucked up the system is and how many innocent people are sitting in prison.

That's another reason why I have no problem with what the shopkeeper did in that he made DAMNED SURE that motherfucker was dead. This way no one has to worry about the system, right?

You point a gun at me and threaten to do me harm then you be fully prepared to meet your maker. I won't shoot to wound. I WILL SHOOT TO KILL.

Gotta love Texas.
 
Dial_tone said:
I can pretty much assure you I am not going to reload, walk up to someone laying on the ground and put five more into them. I'm going to tie them up so they don't get away, call 911, put the gun down and move away from it. That way the police don't walk up with me holding it and have to be on the defensive right away.
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you can't say that, if the kid pointed a gun at you or your wife or children........you just can't say "for sure" until you have that adrenaline and rage pumping through you.
 
redsamurai said:
you can't say that, if the kid pointed a gun at you or your wife or children........you just can't say "for sure" until you have that adrenaline and rage pumping through you.
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Exactly. If one is a professional trained to be in the line of fire on a regular basis then I would say that perhaps they need to be forced to choose another career. But if someone pulls a gun meaning to do physical harm to a civilian, oh well, then they deserve what they get.

Would you walk up to your mom or dad and say, "Geeze did you have to take that poor choir boy out? I mean, it isn't like they killed you."
 
You silly wabbits.

The problem is, the victim is a young black male, and he shot to kill someone on the ground unarmed. So for that, the NAACP will ensure he gets sent to prison. And courts and politicians know, the fear is not mobs of angry white people (like that ever happens unless the economy tanks) but mobs of angry black people with cameras around them. THAT is what they are scared shitless of.

So to make them and the media happy, the DA, juries (who will probably be 60% african american) and judges will ensure he gets to the big house. But you're right, i'd love to have a beer with that badass pharmacist.

r
 
BIKINIMOM said:
I CAN'T WAIT to get my carry permit.
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Yes, I think everyone should carry a gun for protection.

I know I should because I couldn't possibly protect myself otherwise. Next time some asshole cuts me off on the freeway, I'll show him.

I get my daughter to carry one to school as well, because there is a lot of bullying going on in schools these days.

In fact I'm going to arm my whole family 24/7 so we can be safe.

More people carrying guns will definitely make us safer.







b0und ( :rolleyes: )
 
b0und said:
Yes, I think everyone should carry a gun for protection.

I know I should because I couldn't possibly protect myself otherwise. Next time some asshole cuts me off on the freeway, I'll show him.

I get my daughter to carry one to school as well, because there is a lot of bullying going on in schools these days.

In fact I'm going to arm my whole family 24/7 so we can be safe.

More people carrying guns will definitely make us safer.

b0und ( :rolleyes: )
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Good luck convincing the liberals and hippies who'll take to the streets if gun laws are relaxed.

r
 
Dial_tone said:
I can pretty much assure you I am not going to reload, walk up to someone laying on the ground and put five more into them. I'm going to tie them up so they don't get away, call 911, put the gun down and move away from it. That way the police don't walk up with me holding it and have to be on the defensive right away.
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yeah.
cold as fuk to off a wounded dude.
i wonder how many of the ef badasses could stand over a whimpering bleeding
bro and finish him off (no homo3)?? not me.
i wanna love the pharmacist, i really do, but i can't
:(
 
Razorguns said:
And while you're tying him up, he gets a spur of energy, grabs your gun, and pumps 3 bullets into your head.

End game - robber 1 you dead.

r
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fuk tying him up bro you aren't mygyver keep the gun on him...
wait till authorities come and arrest your ass for killing a black bro (white racist)
fuggin n00b
 
with the economy shifting down, crime rate will go up.
it's inevitable.

all i know is i have been jumped twice in the same city while visiting a friend.

both times it was by black men i did absolutely NOTHING to. didn't even say a word too.
they were just looking for trouble.

if i were black would i of been jumped both times?

i'm not trying to stereotype people. there are plenty of white, asian, russian, ect criminals in the world.
but to the people that are looking for trouble and have no respect for human life.

why should we have respect for their's?

if lets say i fought the guy with the gun who took my wallet last friday and lets say i struggled with him, he tried to kill me, but i killed him i would be in jail and the NAACP would be all over this.

here is my point.

Not all white people are racist.
Not all black people are racist.

But bad people with lack of human respect are bad people with lack of human respect.
period.
 
bino said:
fuk tying him up bro you aren't mygyver keep the gun on him...
wait till authorities come and arrest your ass for killing a black bro (white racist)
fuggin n00b
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better to be tried by 7 then carried by 6.

Pharmacist can still go home and kiss his kids.

r
 
So DA caves in and picks a jury to make NAACP happy and he's get snet to prison for a couple years. So what? White people will whine and then 3 weeks later forget about it. Most will admit defeat and validate it by going 'well, he shouldn't have shot him then 5 times.'. Government knows white people get upset for a few days and then move on.

The other option is say FU to NAACP and not file charges and then deal with cops fighting blaques and hippies in the streets, get blasted by the media, washington politicians remembering this when state asks for funds, and people involved not getting promoted cuz of this. Not worth it. Govt Officials don't want scandal and people marching. It scares them. Easier to let him take the flal, even if most agree with him.

If I was the DA, i'd just file charges against him, do everytihng possible to send him to jail - and not have to worry about someone throwing a brick through my window calling me a racist. Plus I make my superiors happy by being PC. People who will be getting my budget requests in a few months.

r
 
iggy said:
if lets say i fought the guy with the gun who took my wallet last friday and lets say i struggled with him, he tried to kill me, but i killed him i would be in jail and the NAACP would be all over this.

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What you're describing is self defense and you would not be in jail.

If you shot and wounded the mugger, then went to your car to get another gun and came back to finish him off. AND, it was all on video tape...then you'd be fucked just like the pharmacist.
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Just saw this was the original thread, irrespective of suspected politics / race;

(U.K. law perspective) Used excessive force when the younger thief was incapacitated & endangered the lives of the public chasing that other bloke down the road firing his pistol.

Should he have been charged for shooting the un-armed chap in the head? Nope, heat of the moment, 16y.o could have been carrying a concealed weapon etc.
Should he be prosecuted for firing a weapon in public like that? Totally.

Crossed the line from self-defence to revenge.
 
WHAT! The pharmacist didn't decapitate the robber?? Just shot him 5 extra rounds . Whats the big deal then?:D
 
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Don't mess with BIKINIMOM. She has stated here more than once that she will shoot to kill and that she's a Texan. :heart:
 
see this is exactly what I was talking about when I made this thread. I "KNEW" we were going to get some shit like this. They show a nice clean cut picture of the kid and say how he loved to play basketball and was such a nice kid......"he just got caught up with the wrong crowd". Ok.........I guarantee there's a picture of this kid blinged out flashing gang symbols with his boys. I FUCKING KNEW they were going to deify this kid and turn the pharmacist into the grinch. And I am STUPIFIED at the sisters comment at the end of the vid...like he hell he had no intention of robbing that store. Act like people walk into business's with ski masks and a gun every damn day and are just there to participate in some lawful commerce.............see folks, this is when black people irritate the living god out of me. When Oh fucking when is there going to be some little white assholes sticking up a black owned store so we can turn around and say "they was just havin a little fun, that's all". I mean this is absolutely ridiculous. If that was my TV station I would FORBID that family to be interviewed by any of my employees. None of my assets would be used in recording anything that two bit humpty little family would have to say. I mean does anybody not notice that when a white dude commits a bad crime his family usually shuts the door on the media and don't say shit....? I wonder if it's because they're embarrassed by what they acknowledge was unlawful behavior. This is a serious cultural issue that black people need to address cause it keeps white people from being completely accepting of them. This is not "racism", this is unease with a culture that CONSTANTLY apologizes and excuses repellant behavior from within their own.

I really like black people, I really do. Some of my most favorite people I've ever met were black. There's so much that culture has to offer but there's something sick within their society that has to be expunged.


 
Families are ALWAYS in denial about their kids, ever worked in a public school :)

Remember: their own bad kids are always just "misunderstood and troubled victims"! No parent (esp from poor areas) is gonna say "Yeah my son was a piece of shit cuz I didn't spend any time with them after the cute goo goo ga ga stage".

r
 
redsamurai said:
I really like black people, I really do. Some of my most favorite people I've ever met were black. There's so much that culture has to offer but there's something sick within their society that has to be expunged.
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And da white folk be just as perfect as dey can be. Praise da lawd for white folk.
 
Dial_tone said:
And da white folk be just as perfect as dey can be. Praise da lawd for white folk.
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No, there's just as many troubled white people bro. We just don't defend them when they screw up like this. We send them behind bars just like the rest of them.

If this was a white kid, my opinion on deserving what he got would have not changed a bit.
 
Dial_tone said:
And da white folk be just as perfect as dey can be. Praise da lawd for white folk.
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Ok, that was pretty god damn funny.........well done...:lmao:



No, white people are pretty far from perfect. But like I pointed out, white people tend to shun criminals and not make excuses for them. Asians are the same way and latino's to some degree too. Black people are the only ones I see making the most ridiculous excuses for criminal behavior. And let's be real DT, like I said before, you go into a black owned store with a gun and point it at someone..........what's gonna happen? You know full damn well. And it don't matter if you put the gun down and say "jus playin".........cap + you= cap in yo ass!! And it's pretty hard to argue against that. And in fact black people don't argue against that mentality when it's black on black crime...........but us whities are supposed to have more self control when someone points a gun in our face??

I can completely empathize with what I suspect went through that pharmacists mind......"you will never point a gun at another human being you little worthless fucking piece of shit"........hard to argue with that. And I suspect the results would have been the same if it was a white kid lying there..........I know it wouldn't matter to me. This is the next thing I expect to hear from this case.......that it was because the kid was black that the pharmacist went "that extra mile".
 
string_bean00 said:
lol really

what do prison population breakdowns by race look like?
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that's just a natural function of poverty. You go to impoverished white areas and you see a similiar crime rate. But it's how the two cultures view their criminals is what perplexes me. It's gotten into the black culture to almost glorify the thug life.

I laugh at black dudes calling each other "president" now. Just a year ago the dude was too white to "really be all that black". So hopefully now young black men have something else to aspire to than just thuggin.
 
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