How cum Barry doesn't send teh drones after their arses?

[ledhead]

you don't read well did i not state that in combat we owned the vietnamese? There was just too many of em and we couldn't keep what we gained. THAT IS A FACT and exactly what's going on in the middle east. There's a playbood now on how to beat the U.S....you barely fight em. Of course we killed 2-3 times more vietnamese, but we still LOST in the end. And as well we should have cause we had no business being there in the first place. THe vietnamese didn't want us. If we hadn't pulled out of vietnam we'd still be there.....now if you want to call that a "win", well then fine but we have two greatly differing definitions of "a win"

The Army lost, the Marines won!

 

[shirlene29]

I mentioned weapons were going this way a solid year ago...I got crickets


and hope I do now too

 

[redsamurai]

The Army lost, the Marines won!

everybody lost on that one...you can quibble over who killed more cong, but everybody lost. It was a shithole and like I explained already, nobody wins in a shithole. THe problem was that once the army OR marines had to move on from somewhere the vietcong came right back. So no, not even the Marines could subdue the place once they moved on.

And quite frankly, because I know a little about vietnam history....in those jungles both the army and marines would have been slaughtered by those masses if it weren't for air support.

 

[javaguru]

Apparently, you are determined to piss me off... I already put the stats up for Vietnam... The Marines kicked the NVAs ass all over the place... Not the VC (farmers with pitchfolks). The highly trained and highly motivated NVA. My father is a "primary source," he said the NVA would hump 15 miles out of their way to avoid the Marines... He fought at Khe Sahn... the Marines destroyed the NVA, 16,000 KIA'ed opposed to 200 Marines KIA'ed... 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam. 2-3 million Vietnamese died. My Colonel, who did 3 tours in Nam, said, the Marines were responsible for at least 500,000 NVA deaths. No bombings, just straight-up, hand to hand combat...Does that sound like the Marines lost? NO, the USA lost politically, but not in a military manner...

You need to take a graduate level class on the theory of war. Body counts and military victories are not relevant, political objectives are what matters and that's the point of war...it is the failure of politics that causes war...I'll paraphrase Clausewitz, "War is politics through other means."

Probably one of the most interesting classes I took in college was "The Theory of War" taught by an Air Force helicopter pilot that was awarded two Silver Stars in Vietnam...he flew Jolly greens and was awarded his second award during the last battle of the Vietnam War...The marines left three behind that were alive and kicking....

 

[shirlene29]

you two are like watching two monkeys fucking a football....curious yet repulsive

 

[javaguru]

you two are like watching two monkeys fucking a football....curious yet repulsive

Has that scenario ever happened and why were you watching?

 

[shirlene29]

youre an overly analytical prick

 

[ledhead]

you two are like watching two monkeys fucking a football....curious yet repulsive

He's obsessed with me... I wonder why???

 

[shirlene29]

you appear to be equally obsessed

 

[ledhead]

youre an overly analytical prick

Who's does not know how to analyze..