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zane vs arnold

chazk

chazk

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a question about the two..

arnold was 6'2 235lbs 6% bf at his best
zane was 5'9 180lbs 4% bf at his best

being that arnold was 5 inches taller .
had a 5 big waiste 34 inches vs franks 29 inches
had 5 inch bigger arms 22 inches vs zanes 17 inch arms
and was 50lbs heavier....

so for zanes height and weight in proportion to arnold
zane was almost the same except chest size and zane had better conditioning.

so why was zane looked down at a runt with no mass ?. for his height he was ripped ,shredded,and has mass just not height had he been 6'2 he should have enlarged everything 5 inches height, arms ,stomach, legs and been around the same size as arnold but looking more symetric and conditioned
 
arnold just loooked better to the eyes....idk how else to put it. when you looked at the two of them arnold looked better.

imho arnold was the man, my goal is to be arnold type measurements at 6 foot. Jjay and ronnie (despite the fact that they are freaks of nature) are awesome, but i think arnold is more my goal
 
i dont think zane had that full dense musclr like arnold did.

i have also wondered this before. if zane was 6ft2 i think he would have looked awesome.
 
Shape, size, height, vibe. A lot of factors. But as far as I'm concerned you can't look any better than Zane circa 1971. Perfection.
 
X Man said:
arnold just loooked better to the eyes....idk how else to put it. when you looked at the two of them arnold looked better.

imho arnold was the man, my goal is to be arnold type measurements at 6 foot. Jjay and ronnie (despite the fact that they are freaks of nature) are awesome, but i think arnold is more my goal
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I dont like how people say "ronnie and jay" because Gunter, Ruhl, most of them are roughly the same size.
 
chazk said:
a question about the two..

arnold was 6'2 235lbs 6% bf at his best
zane was 5'9 180lbs 4% bf at his best

being that arnold was 5 inches taller .
had a 5 big waiste 34 inches vs franks 29 inches
had 5 inch bigger arms 22 inches vs zanes 17 inch arms
and was 50lbs heavier....

so for zanes height and weight in proportion to arnold
zane was almost the same except chest size and zane had better conditioning.

so why was zane looked down at a runt with no mass ?. for his height he was ripped ,shredded,and has mass just not height had he been 6'2 he should have enlarged everything 5 inches height, arms ,stomach, legs and been around the same size as arnold but looking more symetric and conditioned
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Zane was never 4% , lowest my guess would be 6, that was on the best day,. Same with arnold. And my arms are 17 inches, Zane was tiny.
 
chazk said:
a question about the two..

arnold was 6'2 235lbs 6% bf at his best
zane was 5'9 180lbs 4% bf at his best

being that arnold was 5 inches taller .
had a 5 big waiste 34 inches vs franks 29 inches
had 5 inch bigger arms 22 inches vs zanes 17 inch arms
and was 50lbs heavier....

so for zanes height and weight in proportion to arnold
zane was almost the same except chest size and zane had better conditioning.

so why was zane looked down at a runt with no mass ?. for his height he was ripped ,shredded,and has mass just not height had he been 6'2 he should have enlarged everything 5 inches height, arms ,stomach, legs and been around the same size as arnold but looking more symetric and conditioned
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I'm not sure this is a fair comparison, instead of using raw inches "arnold has 5 inch bigger arms and is 5 inches taller..." look at it in %'s, this is more accurate IMO...

Height
Arnold 74 inches
Zane 69 inches

(74-69)/69 = 7.25% taller

Arms
Arnold 22
Zane 17

(22-17)/17 = 29.41% bigger arms

Waist
Arnold 34
Zane 29

(34-29)/29 = 17.24% bigger waist

Now using this comparison you can see that shrinking arnold down by 7.25% of his height he would be quite a bit larger than Zane...

So the question is, does Zane's 2% BF advantage (depending on wether or not it can be seen, different ppl wear fat differently...) give him the edge up on Arnolds size, the judges said no.

Young guns, how tall are you, how much do you weigh, and what is your BF... Zane was a specimen regardless, my arms are 17 inches too, but I don't look like he did.
 
D_Mac said:
I'm not sure this is a fair comparison, instead of using raw inches "arnold has 5 inch bigger arms and is 5 inches taller..." look at it in %'s, this is more accurate IMO...

Height
Arnold 74 inches
Zane 69 inches

(74-69)/69 = 7.25% taller

Arms
Arnold 22
Zane 17

(22-17)/17 = 29.41% bigger arms



Waist
Arnold 34
Zane 29

(34-29)/29 = 17.24% bigger waist

Now using this comparison you can see that shrinking arnold down by 7.25% of his height he would be quite a bit larger than Zane...

So the question is, does Zane's 2% BF advantage (depending on wether or not it can be seen, different ppl wear fat differently...) give him the edge up on Arnolds size, the judges said no.

Young guns, how tall are you, how much do you weigh, and what is your BF... Zane was a specimen regardless, my arms are 17 inches too, but I don't look like he did.
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Good breakdown. Personally, I think Zane looked like a bitch when compared to other bodybuilders. He had the physique most ladies like, but not the body that a bodybuilder is looking for (even in those times). I see some guys at my gym that are on par with Zane or close to him. His physique is much more attainable than most bodybuilders, but I think he looked puny next to the other guys. He wouldn't win a novice show today, as where Arnold may when a novice with his upper body.
 
I dunno YG - ZAne looks pretty diced in some pics I have seen - but no one really knows and really who cares - they aren;t testing BF on stage, just apperance.

IMO Zane had the look. And for that matter Serge had the best look - to this day I would rather look like Serge that almost anyone.

Victor Martinez is who I think has the most to offer now...
 
al420 said:
I dunno YG - ZAne looks pretty diced in some pics I have seen - but no one really knows and really who cares - they aren;t testing BF on stage, just apperance.

IMO Zane had the look. And for that matter Serge had the best look - to this day I would rather look like Serge that almost anyone.

Victor Martinez is who I think has the most to offer now...
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I agree Victor looks amazing, I have seen him working out in vids, it seems like he does the GAYEST workouts. Phil Heath, Dexter Jackson, David Henry, what do you think about them?
 
chazk said:
a question about the two..

arnold was 6'2 235lbs 6% bf at his best
zane was 5'9 180lbs 4% bf at his best
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You got Frank's height right, but that weight is off by about 15-18lbs. In peak form he was in the mid to upper 190's. I agree with your bf estimate thought. He set the bar for leaness for about 5 years or so. Not until Danny Padilla was anyone leaner.

Frank was a little guy though, no doubt. I'll link some of those pics I posted of him at the '72 Mr. 0. He ribcage is pretty flat and his hips are tiny. Just not a big man at all.

EDIT: Scroll to post 6 for the Zane pics

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=532329
 
I am hearing some great replies..

except frank not winning a novice show nowadays...

Went to the tampa classic last year and frank would have won the show overall if you take his 1981 physic and warped it to june of 2006 and put him on that stage. His symetry would be unmatched.
 
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The original comment about Zane not being able to win a novice show is ignorant. If you've been to actual competitions or competed you'd see that Zane would usually whip most competitors in a lot of shows today. Watch at a regional show and you'll see some 5'9" guy come in ripped and dry at 175 and take the whole thing often times. Truth be told, there were competitions where Zane was more lean than others, but he set the standard in his day. And, in my opinion, you can't get much more lean than he was at his absolute best. Great conditioning is great conditioning. He has said himself that he weighed 178 in 1977 and 198 or so in 1979. The photos of him in 79 are inspiring. For a man with that light of a bone structure, 198 ripped pounds is not light!

That's something to consider about Arnold too, bone structure. I don't think Arnold was meant to be some huge guy, but he packed on lots of muscle. That's why he looked like he weighed 255 at 240. He had the muscle mass, but on a more ectomorphic frame, kind of like Flex Wheeler but not so much.


Jacob
 
youngguns said:
Frank Zane: 4%?
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David Henry:1%?
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that not the best of zane... henery looks around 4%

being that young guns is turning this thread to be about him bceuase he needs attention like kids do I have 17 inch arms I am big as zane= bullshit

young guns your around 20% bf no where near zanes 4%
you need to lose around 25lbs of fat and build 25lbs of muscle to get to anything similar to a zane look and that only at 185lbs not zanes later build at 198lbs
alot of yours is baby fat..and will go away when you reach maturity
 
When Arnold is on stage, he just commands your attention, remember him and Colombo?

Colombo was in great condition, but he is 5’5”, Arnold just looked better.


Height in this world is critical in everything.
 
chazk said:
that not the best of zane... henery looks around 4%

being that young guns is turning this thread to be about him bceuase he needs attention like kids do I have 17 inch arms I am big as zane= bullshit

young guns your around 20% bf no where near zanes 4%
you need to lose around 25lbs of fat and build 25lbs of muscle to get to anything similar to a zane look and that only at 185lbs not zanes later build at 198lbs
alot of yours is baby fat..and will go away when you reach maturity
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You are very wrong. I am about 17%, so I have exactly 34 pounds of fat on me, if I lost 20lbs I would be 6%, where Zane is. That would make me 180pounds. I am also shorter so it would look very close. He was like 35? Juiced? I'm 19, natty? For Olympia, NOT VERY GOOD.
 
youngguns said:
You are very wrong. I am about 17%, so I have exactly 34 pounds of fat on me, if I lost 20lbs I would be 6%, where Zane is. That would make me 180pounds. I am also shorter so it would look very close. He was like 35? Juiced? I'm 19, natty? For Olympia, NOT VERY GOOD.
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your 198lbs at 17% your LBM is 164lbs
frank at 198 in 1982 lets say 6% bf is 184lbs (from your pic)

onstage you would be 173lbs at 6% bf if you lose no muscle
while frank was 198lbs at 6% bf
chances are you would come in closer to 168-170lbs 6% after the muscle lose from deiting



so no your arms are not as big as zanes they are covered in fat and water
your 17 inch guns will become 15 inch guns once you drop all that fat trying to get down to 6%

some one with comp knowledge correct me if i'm wrong.
but young guns should weigh in around 168lbs at 6%
 
chazk said:
your 198lbs at 17% your LBM is 164lbs
frank at 198 in 1982 lets say 6% bf is 184lbs (from your pic)

onstage you would be 173lbs at 6% bf if you lose no muscle
while frank was 198lbs at 6% bf
chances are you would come in closer to 168-170lbs 6% after the muscle lose from deiting



so no your arms are not as big as zanes they are covered in fat and water
your 17 inch guns will become 15 inch guns once you drop all that fat trying to get down to 6%

some one with comp knowledge correct me if i'm wrong.
but young guns should weigh in around 168lbs at 6%
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I'm over 200 actually. and no you did the math wrong. cant you do simple math? losing 12 pounds of muscle with 20 of fat? HAHAHHAHAA
180!
 
youngguns said:
I'm over 200 actually. and no you did the math wrong. cant you do simple math? losing 12 pounds of muscle with 20 of fat? HAHAHHAHAA
180!
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as you lose weight your body fat changes vs the percent of lean muscle
you take your\total 200lbs 17% bf minus 34 lbs of fat = 166lbs lmb with not fat
then you add back the fat percent to get the new fat % at the lower body weight.
at 176lbs you are 6% bf then add muscle loss during dieting youll wont break over a buck 70
unless your lying and your not 200lbs at 17%bf but thats how it works if your 200 at 17%
Your not seeing as your total weight drops your no longer 200lbs and when you lose 25lbs down to your new body mass is 175 and you take the fat read from their your new total mass is lower your going to measure bf % from 175lb not 200lbs the body is almost 1/8 lighter and you have to adjust to make up for the 1/8 th percent lighter your body is.
thats where your getting confused young guns..
 
chazk said:
as you lose weight your body fat changes vs the percent of lean muscle
you take your\total 200lbs 17% bf minus 34 lbs of fat = 166lbs lmb with not fat
then you add back the fat percent to get the new fat % at the lower body weight.
at 176lbs you are 6% bf then add muscle loss during dieting youll wont break over a buck 70
unless your lying and your not 200lbs at 17%bf but thats how it works if your 200 at 17%
Your not seeing as your total weight drops your no longer 200lbs and when you lose 25lbs down to your new body mass is 175 and you take the fat read from their your new total mass is lower your going to measure bf % from 175lb not 200lbs the body is almost 1/8 lighter and you have to adjust to make up for the 1/8 th percent lighter your body is.
thats where your getting confused young guns..
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:shocked:
 
youngguns said:
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make it simple
your 200lbs 17% fat (34 pounds of fat)... lbm = 166lbs<<important
at 176lbs 6% bf(10lbs of fat) ..lmb =166lbs<<important
your muscle is unchanged you forgot to factor the 25% drop in overall weight for the other 4lbs bringing you down from 180 to 176lb 6%
then factor in muscle lost during deiting and things will get nasty.

but to be real with you for being all natural thats really no a bad thing or nothing to be ashamed of.just shows you how much you need to gain and lose to like zane..for your age if you understand now you know what your up against and will find it eazier to handle the challenges before you
 
al420 said:
I dunno YG - ZAne looks pretty diced in some pics I have seen - but no one really knows and really who cares - they aren;t testing BF on stage, just apperance.

IMO Zane had the look. And for that matter Serge had the best look - to this day I would rather look like Serge that almost anyone.

Victor Martinez is who I think has the most to offer now...
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I agree. Serge's symmetry and proportions are incredible. Perfect IMO.
Zane had a great build too, but even ripped at 180 compared to someone that towers over you and is 55lbs heavier, probably isn't gonna cut it.
Not taking anything from Zane though, because I loved his physice.
 
chazk said:
that not the best of zane... henery looks around 4%
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I cant agree. I feel pretty sure that's a shot of Frank taken between '82 and '83. Despite no longer winning any O's at that point, he was in absolute peak condition. All the Zane strengths were still there, plus even thinner skin and better overall conditioning.
 
RottenWillow said:
I cant agree. I feel pretty sure that's a shot of Frank taken between '82 and '83. Despite no longer winning any O's at that point, he was in absolute peak condition. All the Zane strengths were still there, plus even thinner skin and better overall conditioning.
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yes best condition

I ment thats not best pic of zane. sorry i did not make myself clear

always thought zane looked better making a bicep then having the other hand extended up in the air over his head thats the shot that really shows franks abs or the double over head reach while he flexes his midsection.
that pic dose not show the midsection definition as well as other pics and poses

that pic of danny is freaking sick knowing its 20 years old. its black and whoite really shows the grainy texture better then color the dude is a anatomey chart..
 
What weight would Zane be if he was scaled up to 6'2.? Here is your answer.
It is increasse in height squared multiplied by his weight.

(6'2/5'9) squared = (74/69) squared x 180 = 207 lbs

That is significantly lighter than Arnold, yeah he was more diced.
What look do you prefer is what it comes down to..
The man in my avatar had a sick V-taper so he gets my vote!
 
pursuit said:
What weight would Zane be if he was scaled up to 6'2.? Here is your answer.
It is increasse in height squared multiplied by his weight.

(6'2/5'9) squared = (74/69) squared x 180 = 207 lbs

That is significantly lighter than Arnold, yeah he was more diced.
What look do you prefer is what it comes down to..
The man in my avatar had a sick V-taper so he gets my vote!
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my figures were wrong frank was 180 in 1977
lets go with frank at his peak 198lbs 6% bf in 1982
can you scale that up for me?
 
pursuit said:
Okay..

(74/69) squared x 198 = 227.7 lbs
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their we have it 227.5 shredded on stage at 6'2 frank zane vs arnold at 6'2 235lbs at 7%
now that would be a killer pose down frank being only a few pounds lighter !
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I almost wish someone could scale up a photo of frankzane and scale down a pic of arnold so we could see them side by side what they would look like at the same height.

arnold def had the biceps and chest but zane had the abs , the taper and symetry


thanks pursuit

you just really put things into perspective a bit better for me and everyone else.
 
the bodybuilders from the golden age had some incredible physiques. serge nubret, oliva, etc. arnold i think had the best overall. mostly due to the size/mass ratio. you don't see even today guys over 6 ft winning the "o" but the 5'9"'s are adime a dozen. it is alot tuffer to acheive the density for us taller guys, alot easier to get injured too. we all have the same ligaments. origins, and insertions. made outta the same material is what i mean. IMO shorter guys have a better lever system when muscle growth is concerned


but as far as zane not being lower than 6 %, dont kid yoself. i was 5.3% with no diet and not precontest. i was playing football on a daily basis. there were guys on my team that were lower than that too, with no diet or gear. bodybuilders get to dangeroulsy low BF levels on the regular
 
jochensa said:
the bodybuilders from the golden age had some incredible physiques. serge nubret, oliva, etc. arnold i think had the best overall. mostly due to the size/mass ratio. you don't see even today guys over 6 ft winning the "o" but the 5'9"'s are adime a dozen. it is alot tuffer to acheive the density for us taller guys, alot easier to get injured too. we all have the same ligaments. origins, and insertions. made outta the same material is what i mean. IMO shorter guys have a better lever system when muscle growth is concerned


but as far as zane not being lower than 6 %, dont kid yoself. i was 5.3% with no diet and not precontest. i was playing football on a daily basis. there were guys on my team that were lower than that too, with no diet or gear. bodybuilders get to dangeroulsy low BF levels on the regular
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hello im jochensa, I dont know my ass from my mouth. Shut up please.
 
youngguns said:
hello im jochensa, I dont know my ass from my mouth. Shut up please.
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haha speaking of diarhea of the mouth. you have a chronic case my friend. 20yrs old talking smack, what is this world coming to
 
mlong23 said:
Good breakdown. Personally, I think Zane looked like a bitch when compared to other bodybuilders. He had the physique most ladies like, but not the body that a bodybuilder is looking for (even in those times). I see some guys at my gym that are on par with Zane or close to him. His physique is much more attainable than most bodybuilders, but I think he looked puny next to the other guys. He wouldn't win a novice show today, as where Arnold may when a novice with his upper body.
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You're fucking high bro! You don't think Zane could win a novice show? The dude had absolutely perfect symetry and good size for his frame - he just didn't have freak size. I guarantee if Zane from 20yrs ago walked into your gym people would notice in a big way and he would stand out. Hell, he would stand out in my gym and we have some total freaks in there. Plus it was a different time. People argue that Arnold was the greatest ever and I wouldn't disagree BUT put him in the O today looking the best he ever looked and he's dead last. Probably would struggle to even get his pro card. Zane had a better build than at least 99% of the guys on this board.
 
youngguns said:
Zane was never 4% , lowest my guess would be 6, that was on the best day,. Same with arnold. And my arms are 17 inches, Zane was tiny.
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C'mon bro, just because your arms are the same size as Zane doesn't put you in his catagory. My arms are about the same and there are guys in my gym that have arms alot bigger but it's the overall picture than matters, not circumference of any particular bodypart.
 
bluetwistedsteel67 said:
You're fucking high bro! You don't think Zane could win a novice show? The dude had absolutely perfect symetry and good size for his frame - he just didn't have freak size. I guarantee if Zane from 20yrs ago walked into your gym people would notice in a big way and he would stand out. Hell, he would stand out in my gym and we have some total freaks in there. Plus it was a different time. People argue that Arnold was the greatest ever and I wouldn't disagree BUT put him in the O today looking the best he ever looked and he's dead last. Probably would struggle to even get his pro card. Zane had a better build than at least 99% of the guys on this board.
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First off, arnold was not the best. That is not debatable, it is a fact. bodyBUILDER not body small legs.
Zane was very small for the Olympia, even for the 70's. You have small arms.
 
Ding Ding Ding.....We have a winner......My arms are almost 18 and my legs are 29 inches.....I weigh 240 and If I were to cut up I could come in around 198-200 or so.....Does it mean I could beat Zane ?


HELL NO !!!

The guy is just on a different level genetically than most....Many guys walk around with Huge arms and legs it does not mean they can go win the O.
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C'mon bro, just because your arms are the same size as Zane doesn't put you in his catagory. My arms are about the same and there are guys in my gym that have arms alot bigger but it's the overall picture than matters, not circumference of any particular bodypart.
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bluetwistedsteel67 said:
C'mon bro, just because your arms are the same size as Zane doesn't put you in his catagory. My arms are about the same and there are guys in my gym that have arms alot bigger but it's the overall picture than matters, not circumference of any particular bodypart.
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thats not the point, Im 19, Iv been working out for alittle over a year, this was a full grown man in the sport for a long time and juiced. HE WAS NOT SPECIAL/ People give those guys too much credit.
 
youngguns said:
First off, arnold was not the best. That is not debatable, it is a fact. bodyBUILDER not body small legs.
Zane was very small for the Olympia, even for the 70's. You have small arms.
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Bro, do ever wonder why everybody on EF hates you?
 
Love it. Zane too small for your taste? LOL

Yeah, and Jack Dempey was only 5' 7" 180 pounds but he'd still kick some hot shot black belt karate guys ass and a few of his friends at the same time.


I love when fat asses think they look better than this because they're "bigger."


Can't imagine why the ladies would prefer this over you.

http://www.bodybuildbid.com/bodypics/pics/zane/zane5.html


And sure, it's easy to get this ripped. I see it all the time.

http://www.bodybuilders.com/zane9.jpg


Wait a minute Young Guns, come to think of it, you do look a little like this.

http://clay_b8690.tripod.com/ZaneFrank/FZane0005.jpg


Yep, pretty scrawny here. Maybe Ulter can help him out

http://clay_b8690.tripod.com/ZaneFrank/FZane0006.jpg


I really have to laugh at the attitude I hear sometimes. I also think it's hilarious that people think it doesn't matter if you're natural, use a tiny bit of gear or 2 grams a week. That's like saying it doesn't matter if you ride a bike or a race car, all that matters is how much distance you cover. It matters.
 
I know it matters. lol I don't care what you think, you are talking to a 19 year odl whos been in the game for 18 months? Started as a wimpy 135pounder. Ya Zane was ripped no guff, ......
 
youngguns said:
I know it matters. lol I don't care what you think, you are talking to a 19 year odl whos been in the game for 18 months? Started as a wimpy 135pounder. Ya Zane was ripped no guff, ......
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now your a whimpy pudgy fatty 200lb sack of do do
just look at your face man it's fucking bloated and round like your already on dbol
who ever told you you were 17% bf forgot to measure the fat on your face pushes you to near the 20% range...

young guns your a fucking turd please dont ever post on any threads I create .I dont want your usless comments and babbling bullshit...
 
chazk said:
now your a whimpy pudgy fatty 200lb sack of do do
just look at your face man it's fucking bloated and round like your already on dbol
who ever told you you were 17% bf forgot to measure the fat on your face pushes you to near the 20% range...

young guns your a fucking turd please dont ever post on any threads I create .I dont want your usless comments and babbling bullshit...
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:rolleyes:

I will deadlift you up to the clouds.
 
youngguns, your physique isn't gonna get any better. Sure you'll get bigger and fatter and bigger and fatter but you'll never get down to 6% let alone 10%. Your genetics are poor and zanes are spectacular. Good luck.

I beleive zanes and arnolds look are superior to the current IFBB pros. They at least look athletic and not like a pile of useless mass.
 
youngguns said:
:rolleyes:

I will deadlift you up to the clouds.
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DAMMIT DAMMIT I CAN'T LISTEN TO THIS ANYMORE!!!!

Someone give me youngfuns' address, I'm gonna break his computer!!!

I tell you what Youngfun, go get 'uge, deadlift everyone to the clouds, win olympia and show up all the naysayers.

Until then YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN ZANE OR ARNOLD!!

DAMMIT Dammit dammit dammit.... :chomp: :chomp: :chomp:
 
D_Mac said:
DAMMIT DAMMIT I CAN'T LISTEN TO THIS ANYMORE!!!!

Someone give me youngfuns' address, I'm gonna break his computer!!!

I tell you what Youngfun, go get 'uge, deadlift everyone to the clouds, win olympia and show up all the naysayers.

Until then YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN ZANE OR ARNOLD!!

DAMMIT Dammit dammit dammit.... :chomp: :chomp: :chomp:
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Agreed.
 
youngguns said:
I know it matters. lol I don't care what you think, you are talking to a 19 year odl whos been in the game for 18 months? Started as a wimpy 135pounder. Ya Zane was ripped no guff, ......
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Didn't you say Zane on his best day was 6% at best? Check out those pics again. That mofo was shredded and shredded is sub 5% in my book. Zane has the most asthetically pleasing look of alltime IMO. Others were more freakish and that is just as impressive if not more but for a pure "get me some pussy" physique? It's Zanes look all the way.
 
Youngguns

I hate to break it to ya bro - but based on your current build/age - you simply don't have the genetics to be a Pro BB.....


You look like 1/2 the kids I lifted with in high school

You are talking shit about "Legends", and you couldn't even win a Natty teen comp up where you are - in fact, you'd piss your pants if you saw how far ahead guys are who you "supposedly" will be competing against.

You are already playing catch-up - even at 19 - because of your VERY average genetics.

If I was you, I would follow another career path.........

If you can't handle the truth,.......you are looking into the wrong sport.
 
He is fucking 64 there.....and he looks 100 times better than you do, and prolly better than 99% of EF....Its a fact.

youngguns said:
His chest is so thin? Creed, I just laughed at you thats all.
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You are missing the fucking boat brotha....Do you look good for a years worth of training....SURE...Are you a genetic freak ?...NOPE.

Are your genes as good as Zanes ? NOPE.
Do you have the Genes to be an Olympia Competitor ? MOST LIKELY NOT.

You act like you are some genetic wonder who once you try gear will be on the level of a top competitor and I got news for ya....It will most likely will never happen.

Your arrogance is what offends people.
youngguns said:
ok, I wonder what he looked like at 19, with one year of training, :rolleyes:
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muscleup said:
You are missing the fucking boat brotha....Do you look good for a years worth of training....SURE...Are you a genetic freak ?...NOPE.

Are your genes as good as Zanes ? NOPE.
Do you have the Genes to be an Olympia Competitor ? MOST LIKELY NOT.

You act like you are some genetic wonder who once you try gear will be on the level of a top competitor and I got news for ya....It will most likely never happen.
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135lbs Back Bi's
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135lbs, Front Bi's
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now put a sock in it

How the hell do you know if my genetics aren't as good?
 
where the leg picks.....Get in some trunks billy bad ass....Sheeeesh man we all praise you.....Thats what your fragile ego needs to hear.
youngguns said:
135lbs Back Bi's
2eouu5i.jpg


135lbs, Front Bi's
48c28if.jpg


now put a sock in it

How the hell do you know if my genetics aren't as good?
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youngguns said:
ok, I wonder what he looked like at 19, with one year of training, :rolleyes:
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frank looked like this at age 17 a few months away from 18 after 8 months training.
he was 2 years younger then you are now
http://i7.tinypic.com/4fxkx9k.jpg

here he is at 28 take a good look becuase its a body your fat ass will never have at any age.
http://i12.tinypic.com/33kabfr.jpg



btw young guns didnt I ask you not to post on my thread you fucking putz
 
chazk said:
frank looked like this at age 17 a few months away from 18 after 8 months training.
he was 2 years younger then you are now
http://i7.tinypic.com/4fxkx9k.jpg

here he is at 28 take a good look becuase its a body your fat ass will never have at any age.
http://i12.tinypic.com/33kabfr.jpg



btw young guns didnt I ask you not to post on my thread you fucking putz
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he looks to have gained 20 pounds in 10 years, superb genetics. he was juicing then as well. proof of age ??
 
Youngguns - I can't stress this enough...............

YOU DON"T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A PRO BB............

Forget your body - you don't even have the mentality.................


Your posts create a mental picture for most that portray you as a "slow" individual.

Again - all facts bro............
 
youngguns said:
he looks to have gained 20 pounds in 10 years, superb genetics. he was juicing then as well. proof of age ??
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your a fucking idiot I just love your before and after pics you are a tub of fucking lard . I'm guessing now your body fat is even higher around 25% On a good day.

please little fat ass take your tub a goo and hop on a treadmill

your so full of shit claiming 17% bf you have rolls of fat on your face and your stomach you have to be well over 25%.

please never take your shirt off again and save us the luaghs...If I were you id be ashamed to look like you do its utterly disgusting .
 
chazk said:
your a fucking idiot I just love your before and after pics you are a tub of fucking lard . I'm guessing now your body fat is even higher around 25% On a good day.

please little fat ass take your tub a goo and hop on a treadmill

your so full of shit claiming 17% bf you have rolls of fat on your face and your stomach you have to be well over 25%.

please never take your shirt off again and save us the luaghs...If I were you id be ashamed to look like you do its utterly disgusting .
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Why is your avatar blocking out your CHIN? are you that repulsive? My guess is yes. You are obviously a hater, read this thread low class slime. lol @ 25%
http://www.afboard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20502
 
youngguns said:
Here are the right pics.

135lbs, Front Bi's
48c28if.jpg


200lbs Front Bi's
4d3hvh2.jpg
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You actually are entertaining at times but you just push it too far. I'm going to give you an honest critique. Nobody should try to steal your dream so if you want to try to hop on the stage with the big boys, work hard and go for it. The things you have working against you are structural. You have a wide waist - even if you diet down, you will always have a wide waist. Your shoulder girdle is narrow in comparison to your waist. This can be minimized by getting wider up top but it will always be a problem for you. Your other struggle is going to be your BF. At your age you should be able to bulk and stay somewhat lean. This only gets harder as you get older believe me. I'm 40 and staying even remotely lean is a bitch. I would say good job for your limited time training - shit, great job. But, ALL pros have sick genetics. Not one got there strictly through hard work and juice. There are no Rudy Rudagear's at the Mr O.
 
Thanks for your opinion dude.
My genetics make it so most of my fat is in the LOVE HANDELS, for my bro, for my dad, we all get it there. I can show u a pic with my top abs RIGHT now, theres about a 1/2 inch indentation,(when I flex) i can actually pump up and do a most muscular and hide my love handels and it makes me look like ihave 13% bf. Ill take pics on monday if you want. I'm on 4 weeks of monohydrate in that pic as well.
 
youngguns said:
Thanks for your opinion dude.
My genetics make it so most of my fat is in the LOVE HANDELS, for my bro, for my dad, we all get it there. I can show u a pic with my top abs RIGHT now, theres about a 1/2 inch indentation,(when I flex) i can actually pump up and do a most muscular and hide my love handels and it makes me look like ihave 13% bf. Ill take pics on monday if you want. I'm on 4 weeks of monohydrate in that pic as well.
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what about the fat on your arms, chest, upper torso, and DEFINITELY your face bro?
 
a creed said:
what about the fat on your arms, chest, upper torso, and DEFINITELY your face bro?
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Ok cool I love hearing negative things. Think Ronnie doesn't hear it all the time? Think they don't hear they ar horrible bbers and not the best?? all the time bro, its just life.
 
are you actually now comparing yourself to Ronnie Coleman ?
youngguns said:
Ok cool I love hearing negative things. Think Ronnie doesn't hear it all the time? Think they don't hear they ar horrible bbers and not the best?? all the time bro, its just life.
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youngguns said:
Ok cool I love hearing negative things. Think Ronnie doesn't hear it all the time? Think they don't hear they ar horrible bbers and not the best?? all the time bro, its just life.
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ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolololololol
 
if your goal is to be a pro then go for it, and good luck.....But you need to learn to be more humble, as of now your physique is ok at best{I have seen many 19 year old natty's and Juiced look better} and your attitude just flat out fucking sucks....Most of theirs did not.


Good Luck with your dream.
youngguns said:
I'm comparing myself to anyone whos had a goal/ dream in life.
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chazk said:
http://i12.tinypic.com/33kabfr.jpg
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aiii papi! that's an awesome pic of the Zanester. Shredded and hard as a fucking diamond! Right click and save. :)

And to youngguns, the difference in those pics in terms of lbm is on the order of 35lbs, not 20. Then factor in achievement of top notch symmetry and conditioning, and the difference is extraordinary.
 
He will not understand, so why bother ?
RottenWillow said:
aiii papi! that's an awesome pic of the Zanester. Shredded and hard as a fucking diamond! Right click and save. :)

And to youngguns, the difference in those pics in terms of lbm is on the order of 35lbs, not 20. Then factor in achievement of top notch symmetry and conditioning, and the difference is extraordinary.
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youngguns said:
Why is your avatar blocking out your CHIN? are you that repulsive? My guess is yes. You are obviously a hater, read this thread low class slime. lol @ 25%
http://www.afboard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20502
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my chin is covered becuase I blocked out my whole face in that pic .

here is a pic of our lower faces and chins compared .I have a chin and a jawline something you havent seen in many years young guns this pic was taken the same exact day I shot the avatar pic. I'm 15% and holding water.so i know your well into the mid 20's bf reguardless of what people have told you.
http://i14.tinypic.com/2wgvkh4.jpg


I dont post face pics online due to Law efforcement and nosey people at the gym which check these boards for info.


I really suggest you lose some bodyfat now before it localizes in spots that are hard to get ride of..I was a fat fuck to at age 19 took years to get the lower abs to clean up and love handles under control longer you have the fat harder it is to get ride of it.
 
chazk said:
my chin is covered becuase I blocked out my whole face in that pic .

here is a pic of our lower faces and chins compared .I have a chin and a jawline something you havent seen in many years young guns this pic was taken the same exact day I shot the avatar pic. I'm 15% and holding water.so i know your well into the mid 20's bf reguardless of what people have told you.
http://i14.tinypic.com/2wgvkh4.jpg


I dont post face pics online due to Law efforcement and nosey people at the gym which check these boards for info.


I really suggest you lose some bodyfat now before it localizes in spots that are hard to get ride of..I was a fat fuck to at age 19 took years to get the lower abs to clean up and love handles under control longer you have the fat harder it is to get ride of it.
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Pre bulk
 
Made good gains.....but did pack on some badyfat as well{I'd say about 50-50}. No one{Well at least Im not} is trying to come down on you or piss on your dreams but you need to learn to control the ego, as in real life the shit does not sit pretty with most people.

Just some general advice for ya.....Again good luck.
youngguns said:
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Pre bulk
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youngguns said:
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Pre bulk
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well good i'm glad you have a pic of you at around 10- 12% bf at 135lbs before you bulked up

You gained enough bulk time to lose some weight becuase you cant flex fat.

Like i mentioned once before 175 is good goal weight for you to try and shoot to lose 25-30lbs and get some tone back.

your not gaining muscle anymore your growth spurt is over now your just gaining fat with tiny amounts of muscle that youll lose during cutting up .Not untill you get on roids will you be able to consume the high calories and gain more muslce

listen i'm trying to help get the fat body weight down to around 175lb then hop on cycle and clean bulk back up youll be surprised how good you could look with more shape to you muscles rather then just fat/bulk.
 
Your weight gain is by no means above average or freakish. You used to be thin and now are fat. Any young male can gain 50 lbs in 18 months if they lift weight and shove their face.

I for one added 30 lbs on a 5'9" frame in 6 months when I started lifting and taking creatine and protein...at age 16.

Its called growing up and filling out. Welcome to the club.

Your water retention is outta control, I'd cut the complex carbs to start. It also looks like your abusing alcohol, marijuana, or both. Weed will give you that puffy estrogen look.
 
artificialaspirations said:
Your weight gain is by no means above average or freakish. You used to be thin and now are fat. Any young male can gain 50 lbs in 18 months if they lift weight and shove their face.

I for one added 30 lbs on a 5'9" frame in 6 months when I started liftng and taking creatine and protein...at age 16.

Its called growing upand filling out. Welcome to the club.
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pic?
 
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