im with you jumpshot. i trained hard and ate clean 4 yrs for i touched the stuff. did 200 mg testosterone cypionate 10 wks 20mg winstrol 30 days ( gf was a doc so everything was scrip) i gained 25lb and kept 15 + most of the strength. i do a cycle every 2 years and work my ass off. i am 6.4 245 8%bf and i have never done more than 550mg anabolic androgenic steroids wk.