Why The Hell Am I Getting Mass While Cutting!!?

[theoak01]

bro enjoy this and take advantage of it,I get the same when im cutting be it on or off,I hold the same weight,eat about 1500-1700cals a day lift 5 days a week and cardio 5 days a week burning 400cals doing cardio and just drop bf with no weight loss on the scale

 

[zZzStarGazer]

Type A muscle fibers are for endurance activities. They get more oxygen and carbohydrates than type B muscle fibers because their main purpose is use during aerobic activity. Type A fibers can grow slightly, but do not contribute much at all to muscle mass, hence the gangly yet muscular runner-look. Type B fibers are used for short term anaerobic activity. They can grow and give increases in strength. As you "damage" them from lifting, the myofilaments grow back thicker, causing the muscle to grow.

I don't think dropping weight and going up in reps does anything to help cutting for men. Obviously I have no experience from the women's side, so I can't comment. I agree with you on the different muscle types, but I don't think that raising the rep rate can push you from anaerobic to aerobic. Unless you're doing that set for 15 minutes.

Ok, that makes some sense. Then my question would be that if he's maintaining his weight in muscle and he's doing the same procedures for cutting, but he's only bulking up more. Would it be because he's temporarily swelling from the muscle recovery and soon enough it will condense into more muscle?

 

[stuck]

Ok, that makes some sense. Then my question would be that if he's maintaining his weight in muscle and he's doing the same procedures for cutting, but he's only bulking up more. Would it be because he's temporarily swelling from the muscle recovery and soon enough it will condense into more muscle?

I'm not sure why he's getting huge. I wish I could have that problem. At 1200 cals a day his body may be in starvation mode, it shouldn't last for 5 week tho.


2000 cals should be plenty to cut at 247 lbs. At 1200 calories I wouldn't even be able to get out of bed. Dude must just be a freak. I say enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Joe Stenson]

And I'm sure you haven't had one in a while either. You're a dick.

People only start slinging mud when they know they're wrong. That is all.

Type A muscle fibers are for endurance activities. They get more oxygen and carbohydrates than type B muscle fibers because their main purpose is use during aerobic activity. Type A fibers can grow slightly, but do not contribute much at all to muscle mass, hence the gangly yet muscular runner-look. Type B fibers are used for short term anaerobic activity. They can grow and give increases in strength. As you "damage" them from lifting, the myofilaments grow back thicker, causing the muscle to grow.

I don't think dropping weight and going up in reps does anything to help cutting for men. Obviously I have no experience from the women's side, so I can't comment. I agree with you on the different muscle types, but I don't think that raising the rep rate can push you from anaerobic to aerobic. Unless you're doing that set for 15 minutes.

Thank-you.

The only thing I disagree with is that increasing reps doesn't do anything for cutting. It WILL burn more calories, so it is doing something positive. The only thing is that when lifting weights while cutting the main goal should be maintaining pre-cut strength levels (as best you can anyway); if you want a bigger caloric deficit do some cardio or eat less.

 

[the_only_sepe]

low doses of t-3 can improve protein synthisis and enhance the anabolic effect, yes bodybuilders wanting to gain the most size will devolop their slow and fast twich muscles by doing some heavy slow training and fast explosive.. old news

 

[Neo22]

Think of loose massive muscle with lots of air pockets. That is what muscle looks like when you use strength training, hence the bulkiness of body builders. Then think of condensed, lean muscle of a track runner.
Yes he will loose the bulkiness and loose the mass because it will condense itslef into a leaner muscle.But he won't lose the muscle. You are right also krishna, his strength may not be as much since he is not using his strength functioning muscles. But isn't that his goal? To simply cut up?

You simply don't have any clue of what you are talking about so I have some exerpts from a article by Christian Thibaudeau. He knows more than you will ever know.

So, with this in mind, what should you do while dieting? Lower volume, up intensity, train with as heavy weight as possible. Do NOT look to lifting for fat loss. Allow diet and energy system work to take care of that.

Here are some rules, from Christian's article found HERE.

1. Use mostly compound (multi-joint and multi-muscle) exercises.

When consuming a hypocaloric diet, you can't use a very large training volume, so you should use exercises that'll get you the biggest bang for your buck. Isolation exercises can be used at the end of a workout to work on a specific weakness, but only do the bare minimum.

A good rule of thumb is to use lifts that will allow you to use the most weight. These will have a systemic effect on your body that'll help maintain or increase your muscle mass in this time of need. So focus on squats, deadlifts, various presses, rows and even some Olympic lifts if you know how to perform them.

2. Use a low volume of training.

During a fat loss diet your body has a lowered capacity to recover from physical work. This can't adapt very well to a high volume of training. Your sessions shouldn't last more than an hour, 30 to 45 minutes being best. Try to use only three to five exercises per session (three if you train only one muscle group on that day, four or five if you train two muscle groups) for three or four work sets each.

3. Train at a high level of intensity.

Your training load should be between 4 to 8 RM (reps max). You're basically performing sets of 4 to 8 reps, working close to failure (one rep short) on the first two work sets and to failure on the last one. I don't suggest working to failure on all three sets in this particular situation.

4. Rest long enough to perform at your best.

You're training to build muscle. If you have to lower the weights you use from set to set, you’re not resting long enough!

A good way to estimate when you should start your next set is your heart rate. When you feel that it’s slowing down to where it was before the first set, you can go. Normally we’re talking around two to three minutes. Some might be able to handle as little as 60 to 90 seconds, but it’s better to start higher and decrease the rest period, provided that you can maintain performance level.

5. Control the negative and explode with the positive.

The eccentric (lowering) phase should be performed in a controlled manner (3-4 seconds) while the concentric (lifting) portion should be performed explosively. This will maximize force production and place a larger adaptive stimulus on the fast-twitch motor units, which have a more important growth potential.

6. Training frequency should be three or four times per week.

If you’re trying to lose fat, chances are that you’ll be performing some form of energy systems work (ESW) or "cardio." Simply put, when you're dieting down you should try to avoid doing both ESW and strength training on the same day (except for a ten minute, slow pace warm-up before your strength session if needed).

Remember that your body has a lowered adaptive capacity when on a fat loss diet, so doing too much physical work will lead to some muscle loss.

7. Limit advanced techniques.

You can use some advanced techniques such as tempo contrast and iso-dynamic contrast as long as the intensity (training weight) is high enough. But don't perform too much of this type of work as it’s very demanding on the body.

8. Supersets are okay.

Supersets can also be used as long as the intensity is high enough. But if you perform a superset, don’t forget to count it as two exercises, not just one.

9. Go heavier.

Try to increase the weights you use at all costs (but not at the expense of proper form). Increasing the training load is the best way to tell your body to keep its muscles!

Take home note: train heavy, hard, and lower volume while dieting

 

[bicepts101]

Hey, I'm always right.. if I'm wrong, I surely will have a better opinion than someone else. So I wanna hear this.

you just lost all hot points....

 

[bicepts101]

I disagree strongly. I have found there are three types of functions in your muscles, thus providing different types of muscle development. One, strengthening, those are the muscles that have to enure heavy weights and small reps, Those muscles gain a pump and also gain heavy mass. Then there is an endurance functioning muscle that help endure long durations and small weights. Because those need to conserve energy those muscles are small. Pefect example: Body builders use heavy weights thus they have larger muscles. Endurance muscle users, for example, cardio runners, have smaller leaner muscles.
The third is the mainting muscles, but uh, I'm sure you don't wanna know about that.
I thought these were apparent.

called fast twitch and slow twitch fibers

slow twich fibers dominate mass over fast twitch because they are naturally larger and much easier to put on mass. ie strength muscles

fast twitch fibers are used for endorence and are much harder to gain mass also there are less of them... there are o ton of them in your calves and forearms....

that is the general genetic structure of fast and slow twitch fibers on humans and it may vary a little to person to person.

i dont know what the fuck you are talking about with maintaining muscles...you can go fly a kite with that....2 types of muscle fibers, thats it

 

[Joe Stenson]

fast twitch fibers are used for endorence and are much harder to gain mass also there are less of them... there are o ton of them in your calves and forearms....

Without actually using the correct terminology this is what she was describing by recommending he drop the weight and increase reps. What I don't get is that she admitted this wasn't the way to train for mass, so I don't understand why she was arguing that his muscles wouldn't shrink by completely changing his training style.

Typical female...completely illogical .

 

[toxicsambo]

You sure it's not the muscle revealing itself as you're dropping the fat? Or maybe the site injects from the winny causing swelling? I felt the same way about the appearance of getting more muscular during a cutting cycle, but most of the time it was just that I liked what I saw in the mirror after the fat started to come off. Although I wouldn't totally discount the possibility that you CAN gain lean muscle in a slight caloric deficit while taking in a lot of protein. Everyone's genetics, training and diet are different so who knows. Keep doing whatever you're doing though lol

That's the thing most people dont seem to understand here. My diet is 95% protein. And calorie intake is different from person to person. I KNOW my body and I know 2,500 calories will not help me in cutting. I've done it before, and it didn't work. My body responds to AAS like flies to shit. I just never thought winny would do this to me. I thought I would just maintain. I'm not fatigued either. I'm running 1/4 mile intevals at 4min 30 sec. and I'll do that twice on some of my cardio sessions. I don't have a sculpted physique by any means but I'm just solid. I need to get a BF caliper definitely.

Oh and for whoever started this fast twitch slow twitch muscle fiber shit, shuddup. You're forgetting the fact that IM USING AAS RETARD. lol.

Like I said, I guess the winny/proviron, t3 stack is a real winner. It's doing more than I expected. Talk about protein fkn synthesis. Oh, and for those who want to know what type of winny I'm using, it's AncPharm. I don't hear many ppl talking about it much, but it's a fkn winner.