Why The Hell Am I Getting Mass While Cutting!!?

[zZzStarGazer]

If you start dropping the weights you're lifting while cutting you'll inevitably lose muscle. Your muscles have no physiological reason to be the size they are other than the fact that they have adapted to lifting heavy weights, so that in the future you can continue lifting those same weights. Once the stimulus is no longer there, BAM! Muscle loss. I thought that was fairly apparent.

That's why during PCT people always advise you to lower the volume, but keep trying to lift just as heavy...

I disagree strongly. I have found there are three types of functions in your muscles, thus providing different types of muscle development. One, strengthening, those are the muscles that have to enure heavy weights and small reps, Those muscles gain a pump and also gain heavy mass. Then there is an endurance functioning muscle that help endure long durations and small weights. Because those need to conserve energy those muscles are small. Pefect example: Body builders use heavy weights thus they have larger muscles. Endurance muscle users, for example, cardio runners, have smaller leaner muscles.
The third is the mainting muscles, but uh, I'm sure you don't wanna know about that.
I thought these were apparent.

 

[zZzStarGazer]

typical female

Oh honey. I will back my shit up. If I don't know it, I'll keep quiet.

 

[borg4902]

You know the best way too loose muscle go on a really low cal diet and do cardio on top of it.

 

[krishna]

I disagree strongly. I have found there are three types of functions in your muscles, thus providing different types of muscle development. One, strengthening, those are the muscles that have to enure heavy weights and small reps, Those muscles gain a pump and also gain heavy mass. Then there is an endurance functioning muscle that help endure long durations and small weights. Because those need to conserve energy those muscles are small. Pefect example: Body builders use heavy weights thus they have larger muscles. Endurance muscle users, for example, cardio runners, have smaller leaner muscles.
The third is the mainting muscles, but uh, I'm sure you don't wanna know about that.
I thought these were apparent.

I never lose muscle when switching to higher reps with less weight. I do lose strength though. As long as you're training them, and your diet is right, you won't lose muscle; you're muscle functioning will just start to transition from strength to endurance. Now I'm sure that stamina and endurance training for extended periods of time will cause muscle loss to someone with a BB physique. Maybe this is what he was referring to. I guess I agree with both of you in a way.

 

[Nighthawkk]

You sure it's not the muscle revealing itself as you're dropping the fat? Or maybe the site injects from the winny causing swelling? I felt the same way about the appearance of getting more muscular during a cutting cycle, but most of the time it was just that I liked what I saw in the mirror after the fat started to come off. Although I wouldn't totally discount the possibility that you CAN gain lean muscle in a slight caloric deficit while taking in a lot of protein. Everyone's genetics, training and diet are different so who knows. Keep doing whatever you're doing though lol

 

[zZzStarGazer]

I never lose muscle when switching to higher reps with less weight. I do lose strength though. As long as you're training them, and your diet is right, you won't lose muscle; you're muscle functioning will just start to transition from strength to endurance. Now I'm sure that stamina and endurance training for extended periods of time will cause muscle loss to someone with a BB physique. Maybe this is what he was referring to. I guess I agree with both of you in a way.

Think of loose massive muscle with lots of air pockets. That is what muscle looks like when you use strength training, hence the bulkiness of body builders. Then think of condensed, lean muscle of a track runner.
Yes he will loose the bulkiness and loose the mass because it will condense itslef into a leaner muscle.But he won't lose the muscle. You are right also krishna, his strength may not be as much since he is not using his strength functioning muscles. But isn't that his goal? To simply cut up?

 

[02gixxersix2]

I don't even know how I would only get 1200 calories in daily. That seems awfully close to a starvation diet to me, and I'm only 185 lbs.

 

[Joe Stenson]

I disagree strongly. I have found there are three types of functions in your muscles, thus providing different types of muscle development. One, strengthening, those are the muscles that have to enure heavy weights and small reps, Those muscles gain a pump and also gain heavy mass. Then there is an endurance functioning muscle that help endure long durations and small weights. Because those need to conserve energy those muscles are small. Pefect example: Body builders use heavy weights thus they have larger muscles. Endurance muscle users, for example, cardio runners, have smaller leaner muscles.
The third is the mainting muscles, but uh, I'm sure you don't wanna know about that.
I thought these were apparent.

Cardio runners (aside from sprinters) don't even have muscle, lol. I can't believe you'd use them in an example. They look like starving Ethiopian children.

OF COURSE I'm talking about bodybuilders. This is a bodybuilding board. Go renew your subscription to Runner's Digest if you want to talk about that garbage.

Anyway, there is such a thing as "pump training" in bodybuilding, which utilizes lower weights, more reps, and more volume. The thing is if you do a complete 180, drop your heavy lifting, and switch to this style you're more than likely going to lose muscle. Maybe not right away, but definitely over time.

Just as an example, you can't go from squatting 405 for 5 reps down to 275 for 15-20 reps and expect to maintain all of your mass. Squatting 275 does not take the same amount of muscle to lift as 405.

Oh honey. I will back my shit up. If I don't know it, I'll keep quiet.

Women are very rarely correct. I'm sure you're no exception .

 

[zZzStarGazer]

Cardio runners (aside from sprinters) don't even have muscle, lol. I can't believe you'd use them in an example. They look like starving Ethiopian children.

OF COURSE I'm talking about bodybuilders. This is a bodybuilding board. Go renew your subscription to Runner's Digest if you want to talk about that garbage.

Anyway, there is such a thing as "pump training" in bodybuilding, which utilizes lower weights, more reps, and more volume. The thing is if you do a complete 180, drop your heavy lifting, and switch to this style you're more than likely going to lose muscle. Maybe not right away, but definitely over time.

Just as an example, you can't go from squatting 405 for 5 reps down to 275 for 15-20 reps and expect to maintain all of your mass. Squatting 275 does not take the same amount of muscle to lift as 405.



Women are very rarely correct. I'm sure you're no exception .

And I'm sure you haven't had one in a while either. You're a dick.

 

[stuck]

I disagree strongly. I have found there are three types of functions in your muscles, thus providing different types of muscle development. One, strengthening, those are the muscles that have to enure heavy weights and small reps, Those muscles gain a pump and also gain heavy mass. Then there is an endurance functioning muscle that help endure long durations and small weights. Because those need to conserve energy those muscles are small. Pefect example: Body builders use heavy weights thus they have larger muscles. Endurance muscle users, for example, cardio runners, have smaller leaner muscles.

Type A muscle fibers are for endurance activities. They get more oxygen and carbohydrates than type B muscle fibers because their main purpose is use during aerobic activity. Type A fibers can grow slightly, but do not contribute much at all to muscle mass, hence the gangly yet muscular runner-look. Type B fibers are used for short term anaerobic activity. They can grow and give increases in strength. As you "damage" them from lifting, the myofilaments grow back thicker, causing the muscle to grow.

I don't think dropping weight and going up in reps does anything to help cutting for men. Obviously I have no experience from the women's side, so I can't comment. I agree with you on the different muscle types, but I don't think that raising the rep rate can push you from anaerobic to aerobic. Unless you're doing that set for 15 minutes.