Why I think Tren may have given me Cancer.

[Rio 2001]

My guess is that you will come from that situation cancer free and a lot wiser.

 

[Krazykat]

All the best, what more can any of us say.

 

[Fonz]

Finaplix I think we are at crossed wires.


You need to reread what Fonz said.

Fonz said


"Yes.
Its not the tren.
Its the elevation in IGF-1 caused by the tren that probably caused the cancer.
Thats why you always run R-ALA when on tren. It de-activated NF-Kappa-B, erradicating any possible cancerous growth.
Fonz"


Now firstly Fonz is saying that the elevation in IGF-1 probably CAUSED the cancer. Fonz said that not me.

But he is saying that the tren did not cause it.

But rather the elevation in IGF-1 caused by the tren. But surely you can see that this is due to the tren.

Increased tren= increased IGF-1 = increased likelyhood of cancer.

But it is the tren right!

Of course a gram of test does not give you gyno per se but increases the chance of it over a lower dose. But if you get the gyno then the test has given you gyno from the conversion of estrogen.

I researched the immune system and Tren LONG before I ever used it.

#1 Tren causes a very high elevation in GH and IGF-1. Hence its amazing effects

#2 Tren is immunosuppressive

Combine these two:

- You get a recipy for cancerous growth due to the lowered immune system and this cancerous growth is fed by the elevation cin IGF-1. Which the cancer feeds on. This only in subsceptible individuals and you'd have to run Tren for a long,long time.

SAME GOES FOR ALL IMMUNOSUPPRESSIVE AAS btw. SO don't just use Tren as the scapegoat.

So, what dod you do?

Run immune boosters, such as 7-Keto DHEA(P7)(Transdermal application has better bio-availibility...so less is needed than oral) or orally(300mg/day) and Green Tea(1-2g/day),and ALcar(3g/day)
That gets rid of the immunosuppression.

Then, if by some miracle, you're still immuno-suppressed, the r-ala de-activates NF-Kappa-B, so that any potential cancerous cells that were formed, weren't allowed to replicate, and your WBC's(White Blood Cells) erradicate them speedily.

NF-Kappa-B is the on/off switch for cancerous cells to start the replication process.

De-activate it.......and you essentially severely limit any type of cancerous replication, and your WBC's can erradicate any cancer cells that had managed to have been formed.

Fonz

 

[Krazykat]

Dunno why u needed my quote Fonz......

 

[Seth28]

again, did they test you for HIV?

Also, the question of tren causing Cancer for that matter is maybe. There is NO way of telling with 100% certainty if it did or didnt. Cancer occours because of Initiators and promoters, tren may have been either or neither. But the fact is you are putting something foreign into your body and you risk the chance of it being either. If anyone wants to make 100% certain that tren doesnt initiate or promote cancer then DONT USE it and you will be 100% certain tren didnt cause your cancer when/if you get it.

I am very very sorry to hear about your situation and your in our prayers, let us know any good news asap!

 

[patrick]

i feel for ya bro.

Maybe 1 positive point to all of this, if i understand it correctly you caught it in an early stage. So you have a very good chance of beating it. And i hope you do bro.


Good luck

 

[Frackal]

From knowing HI well my guess would be (common sense based not in depth science based)


Combination of

Tren + Extreme emotional stress + no sleep for months + extreme overtraining + excessive radiation from excessive sunbed tanning + predisposition.

You may have been able to take tren out of the equation and get the same results if the rest were still present. Who knows.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Predisposition would be the key here, folks. Consider the few cases of people on testosterone replacement who formed prostrate cancer. Was it the test? Or was there a predisposition that the test exacerbated? Same with MPB. Again, are the roids to blame?

As cold as it may sound to some of you, Fonz's explanation here is very plausible. But more plausible is the idea that excessive exposure to ultraviolet light, A PROVEN CANCER CATALYST, played a much more significant role than did the tren.

As for the redness and bulging eyes, etc. Tren increases the overall blood volume significantly. BP is raised, and other issues that correspond with this come into play.

Nelson's assertion that tren is an animal steroid and therefore should be avoided is uncharacteristically naive for him. Humans are, after all, animals.

As for the correlation to hepatitis and AIDS, I think hepatitis is probably the only real practical concern. However, the statement made in this thread that KS is only found in geriatrics outside of HIV/hep patients is incorrect. It is also well documented in African men. I don't know HI's heritage, but there is plenty of info about KS on the net.

I have one pertinent question:

Has there been a conclusive diagnosis? If we don't know that you even have KS, then this pontificating about tren may indeed be premature.

HI--best regards. My fiancee has cancer, and is in the midst of her second radiation series. I relate all too well to the stresses it can cause and the overall impact it has on one's life.

 

[Mandinka2]

Please, please realize that fina is not meant for human consumption. IT IS ANIMAL MEDICINE. Isn't that enough to convince you not to put it in your body?

Most of your posts and your sentiments I like but this is sheer bullshit. If you had any knowledge of the level of care that goes into vetrinary drug products in Europe (I cannot speak for the U.S. but believe it to be the same there) ,u would know that they are as close to being IDENTICAL to human standards as could possibly be. Im not defending the extraction process to produce commerical Fina used because it seems very crude and the pellets are not designed for animals with human stomachs (i.e. 1 as opposed to 4) ... but with regards to preparation of vetrinary products you are simply wrong. I ought to say now that I have a chemical engineering degree.

 

[HighIntensity]

Predisposition would be the key here, folks. Consider the few cases of people on testosterone replacement who formed prostrate cancer. Was it the test? Or was there a predisposition that the test exacerbated? Same with MPB. Again, are the roids to blame?

As cold as it may sound to some of you, Fonz's explanation here is very plausible. But more plausible is the idea that excessive exposure to ultraviolet light, A PROVEN CANCER CATALYST, played a much more significant role than did the tren.

As for the redness and bulging eyes, etc. Tren increases the overall blood volume significantly. BP is raised, and other issues that correspond with this come into play.

Nelson's assertion that tren is an animal steroid and therefore should be avoided is uncharacteristically naive for him. Humans are, after all, animals.

As for the correlation to hepatitis and AIDS, I think hepatitis is probably the only real practical concern. However, the statement made in this thread that KS is only found in geriatrics outside of HIV/hep patients is incorrect. It is also well documented in African men. I don't know HI's heritage, but there is plenty of info about KS on the net.

I have one pertinent question:

Has there been a conclusive diagnosis? If we don't know that you even have KS, then this pontificating about tren may indeed be premature.

HI--best regards. My fiancee has cancer, and is in the midst of her second radiation series. I relate all too well to the stresses it can cause and the overall impact it has on one's life.

Let's at least cover some facts here, I am off a WASP decent in no way African, so we can rule that out. But that is one of 4 types of KS, so we cont.

As Frackal said I tanned alot this year, but the key is THIS year. Last Year and Summer I tanned very little if any. First signs of KS occured last summer in June with the shingles.

So what is true, Predisposition, my aunt died of Cancer in her 40's and my Grandfather while 80 plus now has cancer as well. A third type of KS is directly linked to transplants/imune suppression. Now I probley was a prime target due to predisposition, but the Tren in my case def. unlocked the key and fast.

Look at the shingles I got, the growth within 3 months of useing tren. All I am saying is you havn't a clue as to whether or not you are predisposed. This is not a post saying "hey, don't use tren."
This is a post of education, a sit. to ponder.