Why I think Tren may have given me Cancer.

[latinus_spicticus]

I am sorry this has happened, HI. I do hope you get well, and you are in my prayers.

Tren likely played a part in your situation. The lowering of the immune system, super high doses for a long time, etc. probably sped up the development of any pre-existing condition.

Anyone who is interested in staying healthy, steroid-users or non-users, should get regular bloodwork done. Males should be especially cautious of their prostate, particularly if on certain steroids. I have a friend who started feeling some prostate discomfort in high school, so he went to the doc. I told him he was a pussy, etc. for going to the doctor. It turned out was in the early stages of prostate cancer, and he was very smart to go to the doctor so quickly as it was taken care of and he is healthy now instead of dead. These kinds of things should be wake up calls to anyone on the boards. It usually is not. Most guys who are interested in physique enhancement care only about the cosmetic/strength side, and none about the health. Is it really worth looking great and being superstrong if you only cut your lifespan in half? I don't want to live forever, but being extremely muscular and ripped is not great if you die a year after you achieve such awesome condition. I used to feel invincible, but now I take a lot of precaution. I take antioxidants such as alpha-lipoic-acid, vitamin E, C, N-acetyl-cystiene, green tea, etc. I see a doctor every six months for blood work (which I pay for out of my own pocket). I avoid recreational drugs (I used to regularly party-- ie drink, dip copenhagen) and fast/fried/unhealthy foods. I still drink in moderation and have coffee/diet soda. I use ephedrine pre-workout. I started using P-seven for anxiety, which it helped some, so I continued it-- now I use it for health.

It is not as easy and much more expensive to live like this, but I am much happier, healthier, and nearly as physically strong/lean as I was when my lifestyle was the polar opposite. It is so important to be cautious of your health and not take it for granted, because everyone is susceptible to cancer, diabetes, KS, etc. yet many bodybuilders/powerlifters who juice do not take their overall health seriously and end up becoming very ill or dying at an early age.

 

[John G]

Now again I am only writting this to HELP people. So please take the info. and use it only to decide what is right for you.

I know pleanty of people who have used tren, and used it without any problems. Look at FONZ, but then look at me.

Heres where I went wrong, TOO MUCH TOO LONG. Without that many prevention measures. Look at what FONZ takes dialy to keep his body strong as far anti oxidents ala-r.

I did 5 months of tren with doses anywhere from 75mgs ED to over 300 plus ed. Was I stupid yes, but I looked like a cyborg so I did not care.

I also got shingles that summer which is a sign of imune suppresion. The first signs of possible cell mutation was a growth that occured on my midsection that summer. I had it removed and it was found to be void of skin cancer.

I got off tren finally and all seemed fine. BUT I did Tren 2 more times after that summer and every time I seemed to get these spots. The Doctors were checking for skin cancer everytime so it came up neg, until finally this week a Doc from John Hopkins said it may be KS.

With Gods will, the help of good people on this board and the large support system of friends and family in real life survive to live a healthy exsitence, but was it worth it? NO.

Not for a million years is a great freaky body worth having a Doctor tell you that you may be sick. Not having to look your Dad and Mom in the face and tell them you may have done this to yourself through steriod abuse.

And Not when there are drugs out there like Anavar, Primo, Deca, Test. Be smart and realize that while Tren is the RIOD of GODs it is also what I term a very Dark riod. I mean think about it, night sweats, harsh colored urine, insomnia? Does this sound healthy to you, and they are all sides of Tren.

Be smart.

I am really sorry to hear this. I am currently on tren and I feel terrible sometimes and this is my first time. I feel that this shit is very harsh on the body. I wanna feel healthy, not like I am about to die at times (fina cough, trouble breathing, sleepless nights). After this cycle no more tren for me.

Anyhow, I really hope you have a full recovery and my prayers are with you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I just wanted to tell HI he's got a lot of courage coming out an saying this. Major props bro.

It's also unfortunate that he is a living example of what I've been trying to convey for a long time. Perhaps HI's most profound words were; "Yoo Much, For Too Long."

There it is folks. In stark, ugly reality.

I know I've gotten shit for this, but people must stop thinking "I'm shut down already, it doesn't matter." IT MATTERS. You're taking a drug, and drug use has consequences.

Just because someone else does something without any apparent side effects, doesn't mean they won't occur eventually. Thinking that some supplement is protection is folly -- and denial. And having an ego so immense that you think you can beat the odds is stupid enough, but advcated others to do the same is beyond contemptable. I see it all the time.

As much as I dislike FONZ, I hope some day he doesn't come on this board to say; "I was wrong". Because when it comes to things this serious, second chances don't come around too often.

I'd like to make one final plea to all the members: Please, please realize that fina is not meant for human consumption. IT IS ANIMAL MEDICINE. Isn't that enough to convince you not to put it in your body?

Stop listening to these internet pompous guru/fools who tell you otherwise. They'll post references and spout science -- but if you're the one in the hospital, all the psuedo-scientific gibberish won't mean a thing. I'm sure HI doesn't need to hear it. Not now.

Don't let HI's struggle go without meaning. It took a lot of strength to come on here and say what he said. The least you can do is have the strength to listen.

 

[Singleton]

Thank you for this post. I'm probably going to use tren, but low doses and only for short periods (2 weeks) in a cycle and with Vit E, C, Selenium and r-ALA.

Thank you.

 

[Addicted]

Yes.

Its not the tren.

Its the elevation in IGF-1 caused by the tren that probably caused the cancer.

Thats why you always run R-ALA when on tren. It de-activated NF-Kappa-B, erradicating any possible cancerous growth.

Fonz

Give me a fucking break

 

[Juice Authority]

Nelson,

I appreciate what you're saying and I feel for what HI is going through but there is also the good possibility that HI has a pre-existing condition that was exacerbated by the long-term Tren usage at abnormally high dosages. r-ALA shown to mitigate some the inherent risk factors associated with the Tren but I don't think Fonz ever advocated long-term use. He's been on Tren for a considerable length of time but he doesn't encourage others to do the same.

 

[HighIntensity]

Hey we can sit here and argue all day did Tren cause it or not.

All I know is before Tren I did not drink or do drugs for 3 1/2 years. I did not drink or do drugs while on Tren either but my point is I was a very healthy male.

In 4 months of Tren I turned into a true freak, I was a good size before but nothing like this. I was also sleeping an hour or two a night, was soaking up my sheets in sweat, got shingles.

My Family would always comment that I looked tired, my eyes we buldging, my face seemed aged. I was cranky, and just not the nicest of human beings.

BUT I was what I always wanted to be, a monster. I wanted the suit of armour, the protection feeling that riods gave me. My ex, the greatest person outside of my family, the girl I was going to marry had cheated on me 8 months back and now I was ready to never let someone hurt me again.

The problem is steriods do work, and I got more and more attention. I ended up becomming on of the more popular kids on a campus of 22,000. I got jobs bouncing., and everyone new me and my friends as the freaks. It all very addictive if that is what you are looking for in life and I was. Suddenly you are not a normal everyday joe, but something more, something to be looked at in awe and amazment....something that is enveyed.

I am typing my story in hopes of education. Think about your life, your future. I am not saying do not use steriods when the time is right, but do it smart.

For me I may lose it all, if chemo is the way I need to go then 6 years of training and one year of juicing was not worth having to start from ground zero again.

thanks again Nelson

 

[Juice Authority]

Hey we can sit here and argue all day did Tren cause it or not.

All I know is before Tren I did not drink or do drugs for 3 1/2 years. I did not drink or do drugs while on Tren either but my point is I was a very healthy male.

In 4 months of Tren I turned into a true freak, I was a good size before but nothing like this. I was also sleeping an hour or two a night, was soaking up my sheets in sweat, got shingles.

My Family would always comment that I looked tired, my eyes we buldging, my face seemed aged. I was cranky, and just not the nicest of human beings.

BUT I was what I always wanted to be, a monster. I wanted the suit of armour, the protection feeling that riods gave me. My ex, the greatest person outside of my family, the girl I was going to marry had cheated on me 8 months back and now I was ready to never let someone hurt me again.

The problem is steriods do work, and I got more and more attention. I ended up becomming on of the more popular kids on a campus of 22,000. I got jobs bouncing., and everyone new me and my friends as the freaks. It all very addictive if that is what you are looking for in life and I was. Suddenly you are not a normal everyday joe, but something more, something to be looked at in awe and amazment....something that is enveyed.

I am typing my story in hopes of education. Think about your life, your future. I am not saying do not use steriods when the time is right, but do it smart.

For me I may lose it all, if chemo is the way I need to go then 6 years of training and one year of juicing was not worth having to start from ground zero again.

thanks again Nelson

I think most of us can relate to this line of thinking. Good luck Bro.

 

[tinymm]

iam praying for you... good luck man
-matt

 

[SofaGeorge]

Times like this I can't really comment... I'm just going to say a couple prayers for HI.