Why I don't believe in God. Those who believe, please help me understand...

[da big thinker]

Thinker,
I am a God fearing, non violent person. I choose not to react violently to people but in your case I can honestly say I really don't know how I would react. I have two daughters and like you, they are the world to me and my wife. To say I would do that or do this if somebody hurt them, well, I just don't know how I would react until I was put into that situation. I would hope that I would choose something that wouldn't put me in jail and away from my family, but then again, the anger I would have for that person for hurting a child, my child at that, I think my emotions would overrun me and control me to the point of exacting revenge on that person. I respect the decision you made and do not find fault in it! Every person has their own way of dealing with emotional situations such as this.

On a side note: I hope the fucker never walks again!!!!!!! I don't say that to be funny. Harming children is the ultimate sin and ranks alongside of murder! That's my opinion though!

Later!

your words have touched me as well my friend...i have not spoken about this for awhile and it feels good not to be criticized about a decision i made...in addition...your last note just happens to be my opinion as well...nobody has the right to take away a child's innocence...IT IS THE ULTIMATE SIN.

 

[HumorMe]

your words have touched me as well my friend...i have not spoken about this for awhile and it feels good not to be criticized about a decision i made...in addition...your last note just happens to be my opinion as well...nobody has the right to take away a child's innocence...IT IS THE ULTIMATE SIN.

I think your words have touched me more! If a person were to criticize your actions, that person would obviously not be a parent. Children are our most cherished resource. We were married five years before we had our first child. There is nobody anywhere that could explain the feelings to me about being a father. It's something you have to experience yourself! As I watched my wife give birth to our first daughter, the emotions that ran through the delivery room were overwhelming. The tears that flowed when that doctor placed her in my arms can never be described by me. God has blessed us with a great marriage and two wonderful daughters. It's hard for me to believe how fast my kids are growing up.
I cannot fathom what you have gone through dealing with this situation. I know it is painful to reflect on this particular event but faith in God can climb any mountain. I can only pray and hope I do not have to experience something such as this. I tip my hat to you! You are a good man!

Later.

 

[dude]

Originally posted by BBV:
"I have the address of a guy who killed his 3 month old baby... hung her by the neck from a fucking doorknob...

I am seriously contemplating killing him.

Thing is... if I do... then I get to go to hell for doing the work God should be doing.

I just don't understand... and it frustrates me like I cannot explain. "

I am deeply sorry about your troubles big thinker. I don't think I could understand fully because I do not have any kids. On the other hand, I do love kids and I am not sure how I would react either. I can only compare it to what I would do to someone that might harm my girlfriend. I don't think it would be pretty but then again since I have put my faith in the Lord it does change you and you really don't know how you would react until you get to that situation. Anyhow, on to BBV's post. If you put your trust in the Lord then you start to understand that the pain this man will suffer after he dies will be far greater than anything he could ever imagine here on earth. It surely does suck that it happens and people like you and me suffer from this agony that exists in our world but when we go to Heaven we will no longer suffer. I'm not sure if you understand my post, but what I am trying to say is that in the end the people that do wrong receive their judgement and the people that do right will be rewarded.

 

[uNOwho]

BigBrotherVal:

If you feel like you want to do something to help the children in your area and make an impact on their lives, why don' you try joining your local Child Advocacy Center? My bestfriend's dad is the lead man for the CAC in Chicago. He's a truly amazing man, last night at dinner - it was my buddies 21st - I found out just how passionate he is about children and how they should be treated. Someone at the table made a comment about how children were being abused in the city, and his response was priceless. I don't remember his exact words - I was a little on the buzzed side - but the jist of it was that if a parent abuses their child that parent should be taken care of.

I know that response wasn't along the lines of your wanting to find "God" for you. (Use of quotations is to imply God as not the Catholic or Christian God, but as a God for all religions and faith's) As it's been said before, I, no we, cannot persuade you to believe. That is something that you need to do for yourself. I would be more than happy to keep in contact via email and give you tools and a guide for how you may be able to find God for yourself.

Keep this in mind. I'm a newly turned 21 year old (last month) and I have been told that for my age I am wiser than a lot of 30+ year old people. I'd be more than happy to help you find the answer's you seek.

~p~

 

[da big thinker]

I think your words have touched me more! If a person were to criticize your actions, that person would obviously not be a parent. Children are our most cherished resource. We were married five years before we had our first child. There is nobody anywhere that could explain the feelings to me about being a father. It's something you have to experience yourself! As I watched my wife give birth to our first daughter, the emotions that ran through the delivery room were overwhelming. The tears that flowed when that doctor placed her in my arms can never be described by me. God has blessed us with a great marriage and two wonderful daughters. It's hard for me to believe how fast my kids are growing up.
I cannot fathom what you have gone through dealing with this situation. I know it is painful to reflect on this particular event but faith in God can climb any mountain. I can only pray and hope I do not have to experience something such as this. I tip my hat to you! You are a good man!

Later.

well my friend...i continue climbing that mountain along w/ my daughter...makes me feel fullfilled and a part of something that will be cherished by myself for as long as i live on this earth and thereafter...no matter what obstacles may present themselves i will conquer them along w/ the help of my GOD and daughter.thank you once again for understanding...

 

[da big thinker]

I am deeply sorry about your troubles big thinker. [/B]

thank you for taking the time to empathize w/ my situation and for not passing judgement my friend...

 

[da big thinker]

BigBrotherVal:

If you feel like you want to do something to help the children in your area and make an impact on their lives, why don' you try joining your local Child Advocacy Center? My bestfriend's dad is the lead man for the CAC in Chicago. He's a truly amazing man, last night at dinner - it was my buddies 21st - I found out just how passionate he is about children and how they should be treated. Someone at the table made a comment about how children were being abused in the city, and his response was priceless. I don't remember his exact words - I was a little on the buzzed side - but the jist of it was that if a parent abuses their child that parent should be taken care of.

I know that response wasn't along the lines of your wanting to find "God" for you. (Use of quotations is to imply God as not the Catholic or Christian God, but as a God for all religions and faith's) As it's been said before, I, no we, cannot persuade you to believe. That is something that you need to do for yourself. I would be more than happy to keep in contact via email and give you tools and a guide for how you may be able to find God for yourself.

Keep this in mind. I'm a newly turned 21 year old (last month) and I have been told that for my age I am wiser than a lot of 30+ year old people. I'd be more than happy to help you find the answer's you seek.

~p~

age is a number my friend...your intellect WILL make a difference one day(IF it hasn't already)...keep doing what you're doing...

 

[Big Brother Val]

BigBrotherVal:

If you feel like you want to do something to help the children in your area and make an impact on their lives, why don' you try joining your local Child Advocacy Center? My bestfriend's dad is the lead man for the CAC in Chicago. He's a truly amazing man, last night at dinner - it was my buddies 21st - I found out just how passionate he is about children and how they should be treated. Someone at the table made a comment about how children were being abused in the city, and his response was priceless. I don't remember his exact words - I was a little on the buzzed side - but the jist of it was that if a parent abuses their child that parent should be taken care of.

I know that response wasn't along the lines of your wanting to find "God" for you. (Use of quotations is to imply God as not the Catholic or Christian God, but as a God for all religions and faith's) As it's been said before, I, no we, cannot persuade you to believe. That is something that you need to do for yourself. I would be more than happy to keep in contact via email and give you tools and a guide for how you may be able to find God for yourself.

Keep this in mind. I'm a newly turned 21 year old (last month) and I have been told that for my age I am wiser than a lot of 30+ year old people. I'd be more than happy to help you find the answer's you seek.

~p~

Fabulous suggestion... I'm looking into that as we speak. I guess the main reason I question God, is because if I love children so much, especially my own... how can God let them suffer if his love is something that I cannot comprehend? I put myself in a bad situation financially... and risk jail time with the threats I make to people I see being really rough with their kids... in some cases, throwing them to the ground, cursing, and demanding that they take a shot at me... all because it breaks my heart to think of any child living in fear... especially of their own parents.

I'm posting a thread about an incident that happened at Wal-Mart yesterday... thought I could have gone to jail for... because it's hard for me not to intervene when someone is being rough with their children.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate you taking the time to write all you have. And I sure as shit would have thought you were older than 21.

 

[uNOwho]

Oh yeah, Thinker. I forgot to mention how truly great you are as a father if you would risk your own life and safety to protect your daughter. That is speaks worlds for you as a person. I admire that, and any man who will go to the end of the Earth for their blood is a friend in my opinion.

Any time I can help with anyone. Don't hesitate to throw me an email.

~p~

 

[Crazier]

This is the best thread I have read in a very long time.

A lot of love in here fellas.

A lot has been said in here, so I won't elaborate too much. Just remember Val... Life is life photography, you need the negatives to develop. Can you really disagree with that? I know I am who I am today, because of the suffering and lessons I have gone through in my life. I wouldn't have the compassion in my heart that I do now if God had not shown me how low low can go, and how beautiful the world can be. God has given me the eyes of a child again, and I can see all the beauty around me. When I walk outside I can feel love through the sunshine. The beauty of the sun beaming down on my face, the leaves whistling in the wind, I realize that everything is alive, and everything is one.

Realize that you are surrounded by living, loving things in this world. Where there is free will, there must be evil. Without evil, we would not have free will. Try not to justify not believing in God because of the ugliness in the world. You, or any other human can not see the big picture. That is why humans don't have the right to judge another. It's impossible. As an example, let's take the SOB that hung his child from a doorknob. Unbelievable to say the least. So, let's say in this lifetime you get the impression that he walks... get's away with murdering his child with no repurcussion. Open your mind here Val... Now, let's take the person that we have seen lose their child to an accident or disease, etc. We evaluate their life, and say, they don't deserve to lose their 3 month old child to a disease, and now they are suffering because they lost their child. How could God do that to him, he was such a great father?

We can't judge humans or God in this life because we don't know the karmic cycle. What if the person you saw as such a great father in this lifetime, was the same man who killed his child in his last life? And, his child's death in this life is to simply teach him the one thing we are put on this planet to learn... how to love.

As my quote says 'Tomorrow is a result of today, and you are the result of yesterday.' Live accordingly and your life will be much greater. Don't throw out the impossible, because if it's impossible for karma to exist, multiple lives, it's just as impossible that you sitting where you are today... it's unexplainable how we all got here, but since we're here on Earth, we believe it, because we can see it. Some things are not as obvious... but it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Well... I went and elaborated.
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