Why I don't believe in God. Those who believe, please help me understand...

[Big Brother Val]

This is the best thread I have read in a very long time.

A lot of love in here fellas.

A lot has been said in here, so I won't elaborate too much. Just remember Val... Life is life photography, you need the negatives to develop. Can you really disagree with that? I know I am who I am today, because of the suffering and lessons I have gone through in my life. I wouldn't have the compassion in my heart that I do now if God had not shown me how low low can go, and how beautiful the world can be. God has given me the eyes of a child again, and I can see all the beauty around me. When I walk outside I can feel love through the sunshine. The beauty of the sun beaming down on my face, the leaves whistling in the wind, I realize that everything is alive, and everything is one.

Realize that you are surrounded by living, loving things in this world. Where there is free will, there must be evil. Without evil, we would not have free will. Try not to justify not believing in God because of the ugliness in the world. You, or any other human can not see the big picture. That is why humans don't have the right to judge another. It's impossible. As an example, let's take the SOB that hung his child from a doorknob. Unbelievable to say the least. So, let's say in this lifetime you get the impression that he walks... get's away with murdering his child with no repurcussion. Open your mind here Val... Now, let's take the person that we have seen lose their child to an accident or disease, etc. We evaluate their life, and say, they don't deserve to lose their 3 month old child to a disease, and now they are suffering because they lost their child. How could God do that to him, he was such a great father?

We can't judge humans or God in this life because we don't know the karmic cycle. What if the person you saw as such a great father in this lifetime, was the same man who killed his child in his last life? And, his child's death in this life is to simply teach him the one thing we are put on this planet to learn... how to love.

As my quote says 'Tomorrow is a result of today, and you are the result of yesterday.' Live accordingly and your life will be much greater. Don't throw out the impossible, because if it's impossible for karma to exist, multiple lives, it's just as impossible that you sitting where you are today... it's unexplainable how we all got here, but since we're here on Earth, we believe it, because we can see it. Some things are not as obvious... but it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Well... I went and elaborated.
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Now THAT was a mighty good post.

Very nice points made, in a way that is easy for me to understand. I know it's true that there cannot be good without evil... and I know people will say that he will suffer in the end... and all of that... but if people are wrong, and there is no afterlife, then damnit, the man needs to pay NOW.

I know I don't blame God for how beautiful and healthy my children are... that's a very valid point. I know there are many wonderful things in life, again, things I really don't give God credit for.

And maybe I shouldn't question God for children who are beaten, or taken away and killed... but it breaks my heart in such a fashion... I lose my appetite... I cannot sleep... hell... I even nearly beat the shit out of people for being too rough with their children.

It's odd, because when you guys make your good points, it does make sense to me. There's just this lingering thought in my head of "WHY!?!?" Why does there have to be evil? If we're just going to an eternal paradise anyway... why not just put us there? Why do children have to suffer to get in?

It SHOULD be a two way street... I SHOULD blame God for the good things, if I can blame him for the bad. Maybe that's the first step I need to take.

But also, if you CAN'T blame God for the bad, how can I THANK him for the good? If he doesn't control the evil on Earth, then he doesn't control the good. The door has to swing both ways.

I really appreciate your post.

That made a hell of a lot of sense to me...

But damnit... those questions just sit there and linger... it's very frustrating.

 

[Crazier]

Also... the book called 'Embarced By The Light' is a great read to explain some of your questions. It's a pretty short read, I read it in one day. One of those books you just can't put down. Just a suggestion.
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[Big Brother Val]

Also... the book called 'Embarced By The Light' is a great read to explain some of your questions. It's a pretty short read, I read it in one day. One of those books you just can't put down. Just a suggestion.
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I'll have to look into that. Is it a religious book? Or just a book on God?

 

[Crazier]

The lady who wrote the book was declared dead at a hospital for about four hours. The nurses came in I think a little after midnight, and declared her dead. 4 hours later... she awoke to a sheet over her face. Very chilling. It wasn't her time yet, she had to come back to Earth to finish her calling. But, before she did she was embraced by the light...

Here's an opening:
http://www.embracedbythelight.com/leftside/embraced/retell1.htm

Remember, an open mind is the first step to finding truth.
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[Big Brother Val]

The lady who wrote the book was declared dead at a hospital for about four hours. The nurses came in I think a little after midnight, and declared her dead. 4 hours later... she awoke to a sheet over her face. Very chilling. It wasn't her time yet, she had to come back to Earth to finish her calling. But, before she did she was embraced by the light...

Here's an opening:
http://www.embracedbythelight.com/leftside/embraced/retell1.htm

Remember, an open mind is the first step to finding truth.
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Oh my hell... I know this book.

It was given to my mother shortly after my brother died.... my grandfather is a very spiritual man, with very strong beliefs. He gave her the book so she wouldn't "fall of the path" so to speak.

Wow.

I hadn't read any of it. I'll have to ask her if I can borrow it.

Thanks again.

 

[Crazier]

Oh my hell... I know this book.

It was given to my mother shortly after my brother died.... my grandfather is a very spiritual man, with very strong beliefs. He gave her the book so she wouldn't "fall of the path" so to speak.

Wow.

I hadn't read any of it. I'll have to ask her if I can borrow it.

Thanks again.

Wow, that is wild... Remember, there is no such thing as a coincidence in life. I hope you read it, and if you do, I hope it helps clear your mind. It is a great read.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother Val.
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[HumorMe]

The lady who wrote the book was declared dead at a hospital for about four hours. The nurses came in I think a little after midnight, and declared her dead. 4 hours later... she awoke to a sheet over her face. Very chilling. It wasn't her time yet, she had to come back to Earth to finish her calling. But, before she did she was embraced by the light...

Here's an opening:
http://www.embracedbythelight.com/leftside/embraced/retell1.htm

Remember, an open mind is the first step to finding truth.
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Crazier......That long post above is one helluva post! Thanks for sharing. I haven't read this particular book but I am going to get it soon. It sounds like a good one! I wanted to relate an experience my mother-in-law had before she died. My wife comes from a large family of 7 kids. She is next to the youngest. Her mother had her first major heart attack at 43 and actually died on the operating room table. At the time of this event, her youngest child was 3. She was a very religious woman and a very loving mother. She related this story to her family and friends before she died at the age of 53. She told of leaving her body and floating above the table while the doctors worked on her. She could actually describe every detail of what they were doing. Then she said this bright light filed the room and she said it was beautiful that she couldn't take her eyes off of it. It was captivating that it beckoned her to follow the trail of light. She can remember seeing dead relatives who were waving to her and patting her on the back while she followed this light. She said she actually sat down with God and asked Him if she could go back(although she said it was so peaceful that she didn't want to leave) because she wanted to live long enough for her youngest child to distinguish right from wrong. She said God made a deal with her that granted her wish and that he wanted her back in ten years when the child turned 13. Now, remember she actually told this story after her first heart attack. After the youngest turned 13, less than three months later she had a massive heart attack at which there was no recovery. The doctors actually said she was probably dead before she ever hit the floor! This story is one of the reason my faith in God is so strong. You can't make this shit up! People can call bullshit on this story but it is very true and one I will never forget. My wife and I have been married for 15 years and she is 39 and since all of the women on her side of the family die at a relatively young age, all of this concerns me. We try and take care of ourselves and eat good and exercise but if God wants to take you......He will....it's that easy for me to explain! I don't fear death but I fear for my children's well-being. If death comes to me or my wife or both of us early, I will depend on my faith in God to take care of them.

 

[Crazier]

Damn HumorMe... I had chills running through my body the entire time I read that story. I actually still do. I don't know if you read the excerpt above on that book, but what your mother-in-law described is VERY, VERY similar to what Eadie shares in her book.
Being so close to home, you should definately check the book out.
Thanks for sharing bro!
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[bigguns7]

The question that you ask is not one that will ever be answered. Alot of the things you said are sayings that people have created over the years, not things that come from the word of God. I don't know if God has a "plan" for us. I believe that God definitely gives us free will.

So there's one answer to your question: God may "plan" for you to become a world leader, to unite the American people and bring peace to the world. Now, I believe God gives everyone free will. So, even if God "planned" for you to become the greatest world leader ever, if you crossed paths with an escaped mental patient, and he put a bullet through your head, that doesn't mean it was God's plan for you to die. Nor was it God's plan for that man to kill you. God also gave the man that shot you free will, and he ended your life. I believe that God knows our tomorrows, but He doesn't necessarily decide them.

 

[Big Brother Val]

Crazier... actually... I was not "religious"... but I did pray frequently before he died. It's how my mother was emotionally, mentally crippled after it happened that started my doubt. My brother never believed in God. In fact, he had my mentality now. And the thing that got me going, was the fact that my brother may not be "saved" because of his beliefs. But he was a good guy.

HumorMe... that is one hell of a story. My stepmother actually flatlined once after a carwreck... and she says she saw them doing cpr on her... and stories like that make me wonder if it's a dream, or just coincidence, or what. But at the same time... the accuracy in which they describe what they saw can pretty much wipe away the "dream" theory. Makes me want to read that book even more.

Bigguns7... I can see what your saying... but the question still stands saying, God wouldn't plan for you to be a world leader, if he knew you were going to be killed. He knows it's going to happen... which means it's his plan. If I was SUPPOSED to be a world leader, something would prevent that man from killing me... otherwise, it would have never been in my book to be a world leader. That's why I ask about children being beaten... it is his "plan" for them. For what? To show the Earth how ugly humanity can be? So that the fucker who beats the kids can go to hell? If that's the case... just burn the fucker in a car wreck, and let the baby live a better life.

Good point of view, thanks for your post. I just still can't understand how suffering can be a part of any plan. And if we are all just roaming around with free will, then God doesn't have a plan... but it can't be both ways. If it is... it shows God is pretty heartless... and he sure isn't a good "father".