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Why I don't believe in God. Those who believe, please help me understand...
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Big Brother Val
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WOMBAT: You make a very intersting point there... as far as someone who wanted to be a teacher... I guess in order to think about that, you truly have to believe in the afterlife... and to tell you the truth, I HOPE it IS that way... I'd rather it be a volunteer... shit... I'D be a volunteer... to show others how evil people can be. The thought of a child being beaten is almost unbearable to me. Thanks for your input.
BigSatan13: I do agree... but at the same time, I truly believe there is SOMETHING after life... I just can't picture whatever it is to be our "father". To say millions upon millions of people have to suffer, because Adam and Eve messed up... that's like sending not only a murderer to the electric chair, but everyone who lived in the same state as him.
I think it's a really fucked up system... and for a "perfect being"... I wouldn't think God would not have a fucked up system.
REALJUICE
Dude and uNOwho: The posts you make are fabulous. And I don't know where you guys get that stuff, and Dude... I'm not sure who you quoted... but it really is an eye opener.
I understand that you can't just turn on that lightbulb in my brain, and show me the light... but you do make some really interesting points. As I posted above, I don't understand why God would condemn millions based off the actions of two... if my daughter does something wrong, I don't spank all of my kids because of it. I know there has to be some sort of suffering in this world... otherwise, as you both have said... you wouldn't know what happiness would be.
And it was a good point also that you don't blame happiness on God... I guess I never really thought of that. But happiness is something we all strive for. I want my children to be happy. Them being happy is what makes me happy in life. If I was a billionaire, but couldn't see my kids... I'd be miserable.
I know it's impossible to understand God's "plan" or whatever it is he has... and if it's said that life wasn't supposed to get this bad, and man wasn't going to get this evil... why didn't he intervene a long time ago? Is that why they say that he's going to come back, and burn the Earth or whatever?
I'm not a religious man. I don't even know what I believe... I just know that when I think about children who don't have a warm place to sleep, and don't have food to eat... and children who are beaten... and taken from their homes... children who are dieing... my hell... it makes me lose sleep at night.
I think about it while I'm at work... while I'm in the gym... I donate as much money as I can to the women's and childrens center here... I donate to the food bank... I do the sub for Santa's and the angel tree's at Christmas... but in reality... I'M NOT DOING SHIT!
For every child I try to help, there's 1,000 more who need it. And I just can't help them all. So if I'm so heartbroken by this... if I can't sleep... if I spend my extra money on food for children I've never seen before, rather than build up my savings account for my own future... why can't God help?
The guy PARTED THE SEA!!! He can do that to save a group of people a thousand years ago, or whatever... but now he can't lift a finger to help?
Then why the hell did he help them?
I really appreciate you guys taking the time to write, and being so open about it, without criticizing... it makes it so much easier to listen to, and try to understand, without a church setting... without having to sing... without having to just "accept" what they are teaching, without having to take some class where you talk about nothing but church.
I don't want to know about church. I'm trying to understand why I should go to church to worship the man... when it seems like he turned his back on all of his children.
Thanks again... it really is appreciated.
BigSatan13: I do agree... but at the same time, I truly believe there is SOMETHING after life... I just can't picture whatever it is to be our "father". To say millions upon millions of people have to suffer, because Adam and Eve messed up... that's like sending not only a murderer to the electric chair, but everyone who lived in the same state as him.
I think it's a really fucked up system... and for a "perfect being"... I wouldn't think God would not have a fucked up system.
REALJUICE
Dude and uNOwho: The posts you make are fabulous. And I don't know where you guys get that stuff, and Dude... I'm not sure who you quoted... but it really is an eye opener.
I understand that you can't just turn on that lightbulb in my brain, and show me the light... but you do make some really interesting points. As I posted above, I don't understand why God would condemn millions based off the actions of two... if my daughter does something wrong, I don't spank all of my kids because of it. I know there has to be some sort of suffering in this world... otherwise, as you both have said... you wouldn't know what happiness would be.
And it was a good point also that you don't blame happiness on God... I guess I never really thought of that. But happiness is something we all strive for. I want my children to be happy. Them being happy is what makes me happy in life. If I was a billionaire, but couldn't see my kids... I'd be miserable.
I know it's impossible to understand God's "plan" or whatever it is he has... and if it's said that life wasn't supposed to get this bad, and man wasn't going to get this evil... why didn't he intervene a long time ago? Is that why they say that he's going to come back, and burn the Earth or whatever?
I'm not a religious man. I don't even know what I believe... I just know that when I think about children who don't have a warm place to sleep, and don't have food to eat... and children who are beaten... and taken from their homes... children who are dieing... my hell... it makes me lose sleep at night.
I think about it while I'm at work... while I'm in the gym... I donate as much money as I can to the women's and childrens center here... I donate to the food bank... I do the sub for Santa's and the angel tree's at Christmas... but in reality... I'M NOT DOING SHIT!
For every child I try to help, there's 1,000 more who need it. And I just can't help them all. So if I'm so heartbroken by this... if I can't sleep... if I spend my extra money on food for children I've never seen before, rather than build up my savings account for my own future... why can't God help?
The guy PARTED THE SEA!!! He can do that to save a group of people a thousand years ago, or whatever... but now he can't lift a finger to help?
Then why the hell did he help them?
I really appreciate you guys taking the time to write, and being so open about it, without criticizing... it makes it so much easier to listen to, and try to understand, without a church setting... without having to sing... without having to just "accept" what they are teaching, without having to take some class where you talk about nothing but church.
I don't want to know about church. I'm trying to understand why I should go to church to worship the man... when it seems like he turned his back on all of his children.
Thanks again... it really is appreciated.
da big thinker
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BBV,
well my brother...i will make this as simple as i can,because IMO there's no real answer...GOD is a thought that to me signifies a higher power "of some sort "...this higher power to ME,signifies the POSITIVE outlook on life and what becomes of US thereafter.there's two paths you can follow in this world...GOOD and BAD...it's your choice in the end...whatever road you decide to follow...listen,GOD represents your spirituality...he is not a miracle worker like some people tend to think.he is planted in your psyche and no matter what road you decide to take,GOD will always be there with you;perhaps not to aid or protect you,but to GUIDE you thru life...if you decide to rape and murder a little 12 yr old girl,you WILL suffer the consequences of your actions sooner or later...but beleive me when i tell you that your consequences will get to you in the end...it is for this reason,that we no what's rit and what's wrong DEEP inside;no matter what you are contemplating on doing...GOOD or BAD.this is my take on what GOD signifies to ME.the choice is yours...you can chose to live like an animal and live a certain amount of time on earth,then die and head into a coffin to rot...or you can chose GOD's path which has more meaning and is much more fullfilling...
PS:as stated this is just my take on the issue and what i have learned and developed over my years here on earth...with plenty of misfortunes in my life...this is what i have developed...---fyi
well my brother...i will make this as simple as i can,because IMO there's no real answer...GOD is a thought that to me signifies a higher power "of some sort "...this higher power to ME,signifies the POSITIVE outlook on life and what becomes of US thereafter.there's two paths you can follow in this world...GOOD and BAD...it's your choice in the end...whatever road you decide to follow...listen,GOD represents your spirituality...he is not a miracle worker like some people tend to think.he is planted in your psyche and no matter what road you decide to take,GOD will always be there with you;perhaps not to aid or protect you,but to GUIDE you thru life...if you decide to rape and murder a little 12 yr old girl,you WILL suffer the consequences of your actions sooner or later...but beleive me when i tell you that your consequences will get to you in the end...it is for this reason,that we no what's rit and what's wrong DEEP inside;no matter what you are contemplating on doing...GOOD or BAD.this is my take on what GOD signifies to ME.the choice is yours...you can chose to live like an animal and live a certain amount of time on earth,then die and head into a coffin to rot...or you can chose GOD's path which has more meaning and is much more fullfilling...
PS:as stated this is just my take on the issue and what i have learned and developed over my years here on earth...with plenty of misfortunes in my life...this is what i have developed...---fyi
da big thinker
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REALJUICE said:
excellent input...you're soooooooooo smart...are you a marketing major?
Big Brother Val
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da big thinker said:
Thanks, my friend. I do think there is, as you said, a God "of some sort"... I don't know if he's a guy... or just a presence... or what. I know I have the free will to do as I choose...
It's just that children are so helpless. They are so innocent and so beautiful... I just can't fathom how anyone could do harm to them. And then, for God to have the power to help, but purposely deciding not to, so we can all be "tested" doesn't make sense.
Does he test the baby who's getting beat? Or is the baby the parents' test? And if it's the parents' test... why make the baby go through that.
I have the address of a guy who killed his 3 month old baby... hung her by the neck from a fucking doorknob...
I am seriously contemplating killing him.
Thing is... if I do... then I get to go to hell for doing the work God should be doing.
I just don't understand... and it frustrates me like I cannot explain.
Thanks for taking the time to write, my friend.
da big thinker
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my pleasure...like i said,two paths...GOOD or BAD...let me explain...someone did hurt my 7 month old daughter...i will not get into details...i chose my BAD path and although i chose this path,i know that GOD was instilled into my psyche,telling me that it was the right thing to do.i chose to break his legs and face w/ my baseball bat...he is presently in a coma...although i chose the BAD path so to speak,i still beleive to this day,no matter what anyone tells me,that i did what was right...and have no guilt whatsoever.nevertheless,consequences still came my way.what i am trying to say,is that,hurt/pain/hapiness comes in all forms and GOD is only a guide...a guide that will hopefully lead us to something better...as the saying states:WE LIVE AND LEARN...SPEAK TO YOU SOON MY BROTHER VAL...
Big Brother Val
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da big thinker said:
I respected you before... but that post has taken it to a higher level. I absolutely admire what you did for the sake of your daughter... if you did that to a man... then I know the fucker deserved it. And I would be more than willing to do the same. The funnest part about busting someone up, is they have to live with their new found disability... killing them let's 'em off easy.
And I agree... I can't imagine someone harming my child... and me just calling the cops. Fuck that. Doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye? Well... how is that interperated? I'm sure the fellow didn't beat your daughter with a baseball bat... but he did harm a beautiful child... so in my opinion, the consequences should be greater.
I'm sorry to hear that your daughter was hurt... I hope that she's doing okay now... and again... I admire what you did to level the playing field against the fucker... and make him feel how your little girl must have felt...
Totally powerless.
da big thinker
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Brother Val,
you're a good bro and i thank you for your empathy;my daughter is doing well and is as healthy as healthy can get...she is my life and without her the world would just not be the same.thank you for your respects and know that i respect you as well...PEACE my friend and brother...
you're a good bro and i thank you for your empathy;my daughter is doing well and is as healthy as healthy can get...she is my life and without her the world would just not be the same.thank you for your respects and know that i respect you as well...PEACE my friend and brother...
HumorMe
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da big thinker said:
Thinker,
I am a God fearing, non violent person. I choose not to react violently to people but in your case I can honestly say I really don't know how I would react. I have two daughters and like you, they are the world to me and my wife. To say I would do that or do this if somebody hurt them, well, I just don't know how I would react until I was put into that situation. I would hope that I would choose something that wouldn't put me in jail and away from my family, but then again, the anger I would have for that person for hurting a child, my child at that, I think my emotions would overrun me and control me to the point of exacting revenge on that person. I respect the decision you made and do not find fault in it! Every person has their own way of dealing with emotional situations such as this.
On a side note: I hope the fucker never walks again!!!!!!! I don't say that to be funny. Harming children is the ultimate sin and ranks alongside of murder! That's my opinion though!
Later!
