Why has Masteron shut my libido down? Adex/Prov/Mast too much?

[lanier1974]

This is my first post and I've dropped it on a few forums to feel out which one is the place for me.

On wk6 of my first cycle, planned for 12 weeks. Started with test and proviron, tapered up test and added arimidex second week, and added masteron beginning wk5. I've been strength training for 10 years. I live in Japan where it's legal to order gear, but not good to go around advertising it to your doctor (especially as an alien resident), so no bloodwork option.

Stats:
38 years old, 185cm
62kg 8%fat when in climbing shape, 64kg cycle start, 73kg now.

Wk 1
Test Cyp 200mg
Proviron 50mg ED

Wk 2-3
Test 400mg
Proviron 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD

Wk 4
Test 600mg
Proviron 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD

Wk 5-6 (present)
Test 400mg
Proviron 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Masteron 100mg EOD

Planned to continue this through end of Wk12

Planned PCT:
Wk13-15
HCG EOD from last pin, 20 shots @2000IU

Wk 15-18
Clomid
Nolvadex
Aromisin or Arimidex

PCT Wk 19-22
Aro/Ari taper and finish

I've always been pretty strong for my size but small muscled and light. I'm an ectomorph but even when really lean (like veiny abs lean) have small stubborn fatty deposits around nipple and love handle area, suggesting estrogen? It's nearly impossible for me to gain lean mass no matter the macros or calories.

Started the cycle on a 14 day rock climbing trip in Thailand, sport climbing 6-8hrs hard EOD, with just 200mg test cyp and 50mg prov. Blew up like a balloon in a matter of days. Didn't recognize my face. Nips immediately sore. Water gain like nobody's biz. Shot from 64kg to 70kg that week and it wasn't all muscle.

Added Arimidex second week, and Nolvadex on demand whenever nips felt sore (1 or 2 times). Bloat got 50% better within two weeks. Bumped up test to 400, then 600mg by wk4. Getting stronger but no more gain. Eating plenty. Libido pretty darn good. Nightly wood through the morning.

Added 100mg Masteron 3x wk on wk5. Immediately got REALLY horny, felt COMPELLED to masturbate (no girlfriend lately), and was the HARDEST I've ever been! Workouts became stronger than ever.

But, within one or two days (nearly 2 weeks ago), my loads shrank, my erection hardness returned to normal, and my libido DROPPED. Mental interest is there, just no physical drive or get-off sensation. Also, that lovin' feelin' and overall wellbeing/elation/pump I'd had on test vanished. Feel normal/flat.

What's going on? Thought Masteron and DHT was supposed to have the opposite effect? Im not balding, nor do I have much body hair, an DHT hasn't changed that at all, not even much acne. It would seem that I'm estrogen/bloat prone from observation. Has the combo of Proviron, Arimidex, and Masteron lowered my estradiol too much? I cut out the masteron today. Gonna see what happens.

What do you think is up?

 

[musclei]

Wow, that's a lot of gear and different kinds for a first cycle. That's why new users are recommended to start with Testosterone only and see how their bodies react.
I see a couple of things I don't like about your cycle, but since this post is about your libido, here's what I have to say about that: you shouldn't expect your libido to remain constant all through the cycle because there's bound to be ups and downs no matter how correctly you're doing it.
In your case, this could be cause by a lot of things but (almost definitely) not from the presence of Masteron. Maybe your Adex is fake or you're not reacting to it (I know I don't), maybe you shouldn't be using Nolva during a cycle, maybe your diet isn't on point or maybe you're just tired.

 

[lanier1974]

Fair observations. Thanks. By all means, don't hold back; dissect my cycle as you see fit. As for a lot of gear first cycle, it's not like I'm hitting anabol or dbol, or deca or tren. Test, a bit of pretty safe stuff like prov and Adex to keep it in check, and introduced mast week 5 after id checked my reaction to test alone, which also has few sides and isn't considered risky as far as I've read. If the Adex was fake, why did my bloat and nips get better (tho not 100%)? Wouldn't I have more problems than I do? I'm not taking nolvadex on cycle regularly. I've taken a 40mg dose only three separate occasions in direct response to my nips feeling especially sore, which got fixed all three times. So nolvadex has been emergency stuff. I figure libido goes up and down' but this went from out of control to nothing, in two days, RIGHT after I took the masteron. That's why I suspect it. The workouts though have been stronger though. Definitely not tired. Diet is leangains with paleo foods, natural steak and sweetpotatoes, greens, spot on.

 

[musclei]

Well, since you're asking to have your cycle analyzed...

You're taking around 800mg of gear per week (not counting Proviron). My first cycle was 500mg of test-e per week and that's considered too much for a newbie in this forum where I've seen guys start at 300mg.

You're using Proviron and Masteron in the same cycle when they're actually the same compound (or at least very close).
I've also noticed you reduce your testosterone when you introduce Masteron. They're different compounds with different effects: you can't substitute one with the other; you can't replace testosterone with DHT like that.

And finally, you're tapering compounds. This practice has fallen out of fashion in the recent years as it's not necessary, much less when you're using long esters like cypionate.

I can't comment on your diet because I'm not familiar with paleo foods and you're not providing quantities... I'm not much of a diet expert anyway. Who knows, just relax and let libido come back on its own; at worst it's just a couple of months with normal/low libido until you finish your cycle.

 

[lanier1974]

Maybe you misread my post, where did you see I reduced the test when I introduced masteron? It was at 600mg when I started mast and hasn't changed. I started test wk 1 at 200mg to see how I'd react. then Wk2 400mg, wk3 400mg, wk5 600mg and has stayed that way. Hit mast in wk5. Today I stopped mast and will stay at 50mg prov and 600mg test cyp only. Saw many newbies recommended to take 500mg test. My test amps are 200mg/ea so it was easier to just make it and even 600mg. Again appreciate the feedback.

 

[lanier1974]

Ah crap, mistyped that. Should say
Week 2-3 400mg
Week 5 to present (wk6) 600mg.

Test has been increased , not decreased.

 

[musclei]

Wk 4
test 600mg
Proviron 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD

Wk 5-6 (present)
test 400mg
Proviron 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Masteron 100mg EOD

This is what I meant: at week 5 Mast comes in and test goes down.

 

[lanier1974]

Yeah I saw that. You see my most recent post? I corrected my mistake. Test has only gone up, not down. I mistyped in my original post. Sorry bout that.

 

[musclei]

I think we posted at the same time. Anyway, give it a couple of weeks and see if you feel better.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm going to say the problem is the nolvadex. it almost always is. And you got sore nips from 200 mgs of test and proviron? That's almost impossible. You must be HIGHLY suseptable to gyno or have naturally high estrogen levels.