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Why does Africa have such a big AIDS problem?
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serpentnine
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mendo said:
The OVP theory suggests that AIDs developed from an old method of preparing the polio vaccine, which involved monkey tissues.
Even when the theory was first batted about, though, it was never really accepted. The pattern of HIV infection in no manner matched the pattern of those who had been vaccinated against polio -- the disease showed up in areas before the oral polio vaccine. Also, the strains of SIV present in the areas where monkeys were used to make the polio vaccine are not related to the strain of SIV that is thought to be the source of HIV.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11264036
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis
So the OPV theory doesn't really explain matters. However, leaders who believe in it do make matters a whole lot worse for their people, by recommending against the polio vaccine. Mullahs in parts of India and Nigeria, for example, have decided that the oral polio vaccine causes AIDS and/or female sterility. In those places, Polio incidence is increasing for the first time in nearly fifty years -- so much for eradicating one of the most devastating, crippling diseases in human history. >.<
F_Castle_82
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its spreads because of the high prostitution and rape rate. also the common belief in africa is that the only way to cure aids is to have sex with a virgin....doesn't help out much. they also don't have the 7-11 down the road to go pick up a rubber either.
blackhawk60
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As already stated. Educational and cultural problems help it to flourish there. Some tribal customs frown on some prevention methods, such as circumcision...and AIDS is not understood completely by the population, it doesn't seem inportant enough to change ways that have been the custom for centuries. When your AIDS knowledge is poor, and you are told garlic and beetroot can help with aids, is it going to seem like to big of a deal if you get it? The South African Health Minister is nutty. I can't believe she is actually college educated, and workes as a Dr. :
At a media briefing in September 2000, Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, Minister of Health, was asked by a reporter: "Can you tell us, yes or no, whether your government believes HIV causes AIDS?"
"Why," she responded, "do you say 'your' government? Isn't it our government? I think a little patriotism would be good ... I don't want people to put words in my mouth. I have a certain way of answering questions. I am not a baby, a child or a schoolgirl."
Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang circulated to all the provincial health ministers and premiers a chapter from a book that claims that the Illuminati - a supposed international conspiracy to ttakke over the world - introduced Aids to Africa in 1978 in an attempt to reduce the African population. The claim appears in a 1991 book called Behold, A Pale Horse by William Cooper, an American conspiracy theorist (who describes himself as "the world's leading expert on UFO's") who also believes the world is secretly being taken over by aliens who flit about in sinister black flying craft developed wit the connivance of the United States government. When questioned about it, Tshabalala-Msimang said "the distribution of the document was part of the 'routine' exchange of information".
Tshabalala-Msimang was interviewed on Radio 702 by talk show host John Robbie early in September 2000 as was asked whether she believed there was a link between HIV and AIDS. She refused to give a straight answer:
"I have answered that question. You will not force me into a corner into whether whether saying 'yes' or 'no'. You will not pressurise me to answer that," (sic) she told Robbie. After that, the interview went downhill, with Robbie criticising Tshabalala-Msimang for evading simple questions about the cruel shambles that is her Government's policy on HIV/Aids, and for lending her voice and professional respectability to a mad fight against best science that is costing thousands of lives, causing unimaginable suffering and wasting the country millions of rands. He criticised her disregard for Aids sufferers that was evident in her failure to defend it.
Just before the13th World Conference on AIDS (see item above), a declaration signed by 5 000 prominent scientists (including 12 Nobel prize winners) from all over the world, stating that HIV has been scientifically proved to be the sole cause of AIDS, was published in the prestigeous journal Nature. The declaration condemns what the scientists regard as revisionist theories on the cause of AIDS, which they believe has Mbeki's support after he reportedly questioned whether HIV caused AIDS.
Presidential spokesman Parks Mankahlana said that the declaration "belongs in the dustbin".
Mankahlana said: "If the drafters of the declaration expect to give it to the president, or the government, it will find its comfortable place among the dustbins of the office."
Mankahlana is reported in Nature to have said that children of HIV positive women become orphans, and that the state must then look after them: "That mother is going to die and that HIV negative child will be an orphan - who is going to bring that child up? It's the state, the state. That's resources you see."
After initially denying the statement and accusing the magazine of lying he went on to say the following... (after SCIENCE had produced a tape recording of his statement):
"I have issued a statement denying what I am alleged to have said. That means I repudiate what I am alleged to have said. WHETHER I HAVE SAID IT OR NOT, it means that statement is considered by me to be wrong or unacceptable. That should then settle the matter."
To which he added: "If I didn't say what I was alleged to have said, I would not have had to issue this statement in this format".
Mankahlana passed away in October 2000 after a long illness; his family would neither deny nor confirm that he died of AIDS related causes.
At a media briefing in September 2000, Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, Minister of Health, was asked by a reporter: "Can you tell us, yes or no, whether your government believes HIV causes AIDS?"
"Why," she responded, "do you say 'your' government? Isn't it our government? I think a little patriotism would be good ... I don't want people to put words in my mouth. I have a certain way of answering questions. I am not a baby, a child or a schoolgirl."
Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang circulated to all the provincial health ministers and premiers a chapter from a book that claims that the Illuminati - a supposed international conspiracy to ttakke over the world - introduced Aids to Africa in 1978 in an attempt to reduce the African population. The claim appears in a 1991 book called Behold, A Pale Horse by William Cooper, an American conspiracy theorist (who describes himself as "the world's leading expert on UFO's") who also believes the world is secretly being taken over by aliens who flit about in sinister black flying craft developed wit the connivance of the United States government. When questioned about it, Tshabalala-Msimang said "the distribution of the document was part of the 'routine' exchange of information".
Tshabalala-Msimang was interviewed on Radio 702 by talk show host John Robbie early in September 2000 as was asked whether she believed there was a link between HIV and AIDS. She refused to give a straight answer:
"I have answered that question. You will not force me into a corner into whether whether saying 'yes' or 'no'. You will not pressurise me to answer that," (sic) she told Robbie. After that, the interview went downhill, with Robbie criticising Tshabalala-Msimang for evading simple questions about the cruel shambles that is her Government's policy on HIV/Aids, and for lending her voice and professional respectability to a mad fight against best science that is costing thousands of lives, causing unimaginable suffering and wasting the country millions of rands. He criticised her disregard for Aids sufferers that was evident in her failure to defend it.
Just before the13th World Conference on AIDS (see item above), a declaration signed by 5 000 prominent scientists (including 12 Nobel prize winners) from all over the world, stating that HIV has been scientifically proved to be the sole cause of AIDS, was published in the prestigeous journal Nature. The declaration condemns what the scientists regard as revisionist theories on the cause of AIDS, which they believe has Mbeki's support after he reportedly questioned whether HIV caused AIDS.
Presidential spokesman Parks Mankahlana said that the declaration "belongs in the dustbin".
Mankahlana said: "If the drafters of the declaration expect to give it to the president, or the government, it will find its comfortable place among the dustbins of the office."
Mankahlana is reported in Nature to have said that children of HIV positive women become orphans, and that the state must then look after them: "That mother is going to die and that HIV negative child will be an orphan - who is going to bring that child up? It's the state, the state. That's resources you see."
After initially denying the statement and accusing the magazine of lying he went on to say the following... (after SCIENCE had produced a tape recording of his statement):
"I have issued a statement denying what I am alleged to have said. That means I repudiate what I am alleged to have said. WHETHER I HAVE SAID IT OR NOT, it means that statement is considered by me to be wrong or unacceptable. That should then settle the matter."
To which he added: "If I didn't say what I was alleged to have said, I would not have had to issue this statement in this format".
Mankahlana passed away in October 2000 after a long illness; his family would neither deny nor confirm that he died of AIDS related causes.
blackhawk60
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r0han said:Thats right even here in India, people tend to "worship" white people, I, ON THE OTHER HAND take immense pleasure in putting them down for their uncouth, unhygienic and stupidly funny ways (which they tend to portray purposely among non-white people), so much so as to pull their leg right in front of the public. I thoroughly enjoy insulting such moronic behavior.
I remember one such couple taking photographs of poverty stricken children on the road for their "private collection" geez I enjoyed breaking their camera(actually was waiting for the "big" guy to go physical, wanted so badly to kick his ass - I was so sad the chicken did not) LOL!
Sounds like you showed that couple a thing or two about racism.
chicagobuffedbod said:
How TF do you solve the AIDS crisis with a stupid azz ideal like this! This pure genocide. The problem numb nuts is how to reverse a culture uneducated in the realities of the world...yo unfortunately have to effect change in their belifs , and that shit ain't exactly working in places like Iraq, near alone Africa. The problem is simple - the Fuc*7N world cares less for black peole, like Bush did in NO and Katrina. Cause when the concern is high.shit we'll turn heaven and hell to rectify a wrong, or have things the way we want it. Do you think if the US spent all the hundreds of billions of dollars it has to fu&% up its neighbors, if it spent as much money on the WAR on AIDs, you think Africa would have more of a chance........I hate ignorance
JoeBlackSpade
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The problem is ONE WORD:
IGNORANCE.
I read a story about how some tribesmen who are HIV positive, or have full AIDS actually go and kidnap young virgin girls and have sex with them in the hope of being cured.
They got this (ignorant) idea because they probably overheard someone
say that the only ones IMMUNE to contracting the disease are virgins who have sex with each other. Obviously the meaning was that if you only have sex with a virgin, you will not contract it from HER.
The ignorant mind, however, works a bit differently. The conclusion they come to is "Hey, let me go have sex with a virgin, then. That will cure me."
Remember that alot of these people have zero education, and don't even know what a germ is. Microbes, to these people, might as well be magical.
If you want a picture of Europe during the DARK AGES, when there was no knowledge of the microscopic world, just look at Africa.
IGNORANCE.
I read a story about how some tribesmen who are HIV positive, or have full AIDS actually go and kidnap young virgin girls and have sex with them in the hope of being cured.
They got this (ignorant) idea because they probably overheard someone
say that the only ones IMMUNE to contracting the disease are virgins who have sex with each other. Obviously the meaning was that if you only have sex with a virgin, you will not contract it from HER.
The ignorant mind, however, works a bit differently. The conclusion they come to is "Hey, let me go have sex with a virgin, then. That will cure me."
Remember that alot of these people have zero education, and don't even know what a germ is. Microbes, to these people, might as well be magical.
If you want a picture of Europe during the DARK AGES, when there was no knowledge of the microscopic world, just look at Africa.
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I don't think most people get the idea that AIDS in Africa is actually a racially motivated agenda to covertly aid in the systematic extermination of a race of people. Hitler tried to do it with the Jews! Hell, I'd bet $1 that the US had the same plans for "Black America", but decided to withdraw the plan because too many "whites" would have died also. Fuckin' CIA and F.B.I. Imperialist bastards! Devilish motherfuckers in this country!! If this dreaded motherfuckin' disease was running rampant in Europe with all the "caucasian and mixed races" from Iceland to Spain to Italy. Goddamn bells would be ringing worldwide, but no bells are ringing for the poor "Black" African! Scientists and doctors would come out in droves to help eliminate this shit from "the white races" And you motherfuckers can't deny that fact! AIDS would have been wipe out years ago if it had high infection rate in any european country let alone the entire continent and I'm going to throw in Old Mother Russia too! A bunch of hypocrites out there in this world! If AIDS is so bad in Africa, why does well to do european "white women" go to Africa?
To get fucked by those young African boys and men. I couldn't believe it when I came across that shit on the Internet. Are they afraid of AIDS? Hell no! They want to get fucked! The problem with AIDS is a very racially motivated social and medical problem. A problem that will not go away because of nationality and the color of someone skin. Racism has become a doctrine and a way of life for most "white people" the world over. They see nothing but themselves and view other races as their fodder.
It is in the Bible that the "white races" of this world will almost destroy mankind. Read the "Book of Revelations"!
I hate to have "white blood in me"!!! (sic)
To get fucked by those young African boys and men. I couldn't believe it when I came across that shit on the Internet. Are they afraid of AIDS? Hell no! They want to get fucked! The problem with AIDS is a very racially motivated social and medical problem. A problem that will not go away because of nationality and the color of someone skin. Racism has become a doctrine and a way of life for most "white people" the world over. They see nothing but themselves and view other races as their fodder.
It is in the Bible that the "white races" of this world will almost destroy mankind. Read the "Book of Revelations"!
I hate to have "white blood in me"!!! (sic)
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