when did these high doses become the right thing?

[Nelson Montana]

I'm not quoting what DD told me, I'm quoting what he wrote.
Posting something from a conversation leaves it up to the reader whether the conversation took place or not.

As far as who knows more you or the old moderators quoting DD goes, I don't know. I didn't say anything about that. My post was in reference to Samoth saying that high doseages are new in the last few years to this board. I only pointed out that no, they are not new. They've been posted here for over 7 years, and by moderators. Right or wrong.

Okay, I see what you're saying. I never thought the time line was quite that short. I see a huge jump in dose recommendations post message board boon, so that's about 7 years now.

srf173: Your statement about guys having lousy genetics is the very reason for this dilemma. What you really mean is that you don't want to work harder to get past those handicaps.

Once again, I'm no mass monster but look at me at age 37 -- 150 pounds. Two years later I'm 170, same bf% drug free. Two years after that with a couple of short, low dose cycles I'm 200 pounds. I'm not saying that to brag but to let people know it can be done with diet and exercise and when you add gear ...wow!

If they take your advice they think they can't grow after farting around with some bullshit training and half assed eating and then want to know the best cycle to use. And someone will them them. Sorry, I'm a bodybuilder. And I want to help people do that as best and as safely as possible. And I do believe that drug use has its place. But not the way so called "experts" on the boards say.

 

[Mac173]

Okay, I see what you're saying. I never thought the time line was quite that short. I see a huge jump in dose recommendations post message board boon, so that's about 7 years now.

srf173: Your statement about guys having lousy genetics is the very reason for this dilemma. What you really mean is that you don't want to work harder to get past those handicaps.

Once again, I'm no mass monster but look at me at age 37 -- 150 pounds. Two years later I'm 170, same bf% drug free. Two years after that with a couple of short, low dose cycles I'm 200 pounds. I'm not saying that to brag but to let people know it can be done with diet and exercise and when you add gear ...wow!

If they take your advice they think they can't grow after farting around with some bullshit training and half assed eating and then want to know the best cycle to use. And someone will them them. Sorry, I'm a bodybuilder. And I want to help people do that as best and as safely as possible. And I do believe that drug use has its place. But not the way so called "experts" on the boards say.

I wish you would read what I posted, and please don't make assumptions on my training and diet regimen.
Good for you, you managed to gain 20lbs on 2yrs, nevermind the fact that you weighed 150 when you started. Just in case you didn't understand this, the heavier you get the harder it is to gain the mass. So going from 150 to 170 doesn't mean a whole lot.

 

[mr.nitro]

it really depends on your goals. if you want to look like ronie colman, your going to require freaky doses of gear.the human body was never ment to be that large. but if your goal is to look like the bodybuilders of the 80's you won't need as much.

 

[needtogetaas]

its pretty apparent doses have gotten higher and higher over the years....I mean when I look at gear profiles like say eq and at the end it says effective dose for a man is around 150-200mg a week then come to this board and people get there asses flamed for taking any less then 600mg a week.or like primo were it says the effective dose is 200-400mg a week and then again come here and most people say its useless unless taken around 800 to 1000mg ew....

 

[Nelson Montana]

Just in case you didn't understand this, the heavier you get the harder it is to gain the mass. So going from 150 to 170 doesn't mean a whole lot.

You're right, but that's exactly where a lot of guys start out. And realize, I thought I couldn't gain beyond 150 even after all the weight gain drinks and everything else. But it's best to learn how to do it correctly than to take the short cut and not hold onto your gains.

I saw your pics bro. You look about 180-190. That's fine, but even if you started out really scrawny you sure as hell wouldn't have needed more a couple of hundred mgs to get to the point where you are now if you trained better and ate better.

I also think that if you're around 5'10" , once you start getting too far past 225lbs or so you start looking like a bit of a fat guy in clothes, even if you have low bf. Chicks don't dig that, and to a lot of guys that's what matters.




BTW: A lot of good points being made all around.




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[georgie24]

i assume ectomorphs need the higher dosages then meso/endo morphs??

i blow the fuck up off 100mg NPP eod+ 60mg var...

im an endo

 

[Mac173]

You're right, but that's exactly where a lot of guys start out. And realize, I thought I couldn't gain beyond 150 even after all the weight gain drinks and everything else. But it's best to learn how to do it correctly than to take the short cut and not hold onto your gains.

I saw your pics bro. You look about 180-190. That's fine, but even if you started out really scrawny you sure as hell wouldn't have needed more a couple of hundred mgs to get to the point where you are now if you trained better and ate better.

I also think that if you're around 5'10" , once you start getting too far past 225lbs or so you start looking like a bit of a fat guy in clothes, even if you have low bf. Chicks don't dig that, and to a lot of guys that's what matters.




BTW: A lot of good points being made all around.




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You can't dismiss genetics though.
If you took two people both weighed the same, ate the same trained the same, everything equal, but one had incredible genetics and the other horrible. To make the same gains one might need a much higher dose to achieve the same level of physique.
My point is that as long as higher dosages are not being used in SUBSTITUTE for lack of training and diet that I have no problem with people that want to run high dosages. I think everyone is in agreement that running a high dosage because you are too lazy to train hard and don't have the discipline to eat correctly is stupid and unproductive.

 

[juniorsamples]

Beginner Cycles have certainly increased over the past 20+years.
My first cycle was 100 tabs of Dianobol.
1ed 1st week, 2ed 2nd week, 3ed weeks 3-5, then pyramid back down. It really doesn't sound like much but I got great gains from that cycle.
My first cycle of test Cyp. I spread 10cc out over a 6 week peroid. That cycle also worked wonders.
My low dosage approach has always worked for me.
Maybe I don't know what I'm missing.

 

[chazk]

There are a lot of misconceptions and misinformation on this thread.
And it's pretty common knowledge that Yates was using nearly 10 grams by the time he was doing his last O.

jesus 10 grams of steroids when most steroids back then were 250 cc max.
thats 40'cc of roids a week...=13 3cc syrings = damn near 6 cc a day
I'm supposed to believe yates shoved 40cc of oil a week in his body for months on end and never came off.
what a fucking joke

 

[todoveritas]

While I support everyone's right to an opinion. I for one, appreciate and applaud Nelson's attempt to bring a little responsibility to this board. A lot of kids (and I DO mean kids) take what they read here as gospel. We need a balance.