when did these high doses become the right thing?

[chazk]

I rember reading that arnold in the 70s did 3 dbol a day
the 80s arnold did 10 dbol a day with a shot of deca
then in the 90's oh arnold did 50mg of dbol and500mg of primo a week
current mid 2000's oh arnold did 1000mg of primo and hands full of dbol 100mg a day

seems every 10 years the story has changed as it goes from one generation to the next?

just like back in the 80's anavar was used at 20mg a day
the 90's oh 40mg a day
current oh you need 80 - 100mg a day
wtf ?

dan duchiane talked about top provs taking 500mg of test a week back in late 80's
then it was oh everyone is on a gram of test in the late 90's
now its oh 2 grams of test with deca tren eq and everything else anyone can shove in their ass?

is this a marketing ploy by all the sources to sell more steroids making people think they need more to get huge? when we have already talked about no matter how many drugs someone uses unless they have the genetics they wont go to far....

sorry about the rant just tired of seeing newbies on 2-3 grams of gear a week injects an orals and looking nothing like a bodybuilder ...

 

[solidspine]

It is crazy,

I am just starting my first really high dosage cycle,

2 grams of Test E per week 1-14
800mg of Deca 1-14


I have ramped up to 2 grams in the last 10 days, so next week will be my first full week on the above cycle,

Still have a little d-bol which I will finish in the next 10 days.


Not bloated, have felt light headed, my bp is normal for me 137/80 today.
If I can handle the above, some where in there I would like to add 50 days of Tren Ace at 100mg per day. But that is a want, not really part of the cycle.

My goal is to gain 20lbs of muscle in 14 weeks, and only pack on 30lbs total.

5’5”
190lbs
57 years old
15% body fat

 

[chazk]

It is crazy,



My goal is to gain 20lbs of muscle in 14 weeks, and only pack on 30lbs total.

5’5”
190lbs
57 years old
15% body fat

well your only 57 so thats a mild cycle .....

grandpa is running 3 grams a week hoping to place in the top three in the masters over 80 division in my state...
hell be 82 this spring....

while some seventeen year old punk 6'1 down the street is running 2 grams of test and hoping to get from 135lb to 260 of rock solid jacked muscle by this november...

 

[ViperHMS]

Its a trend, if a few more posts someone going to say, OH HERES THE HIGH DOSE BANDWAGON HATERS.

When I first joined this board I remember anavar being 20-30mg day and that was high then.

 

[X Man]

I rember reading that arnold in the 70s did 3 dbol a day
the 80s arnold did 10 dbol a day with a shot of deca
then in the 90's oh arnold did 50mg of dbol and500mg of primo a week
current mid 2000's oh arnold did 1000mg of primo and hands full of dbol 100mg a day

seems every 10 years the story has changed as it goes from one generation to the next?

just like back in the 80's anavar was used at 20mg a day
the 90's oh 40mg a day
current oh you need 80 - 100mg a day
wtf ?

dan duchiane talked about top provs taking 500mg of test a week back in late 80's
then it was oh everyone is on a gram of test in the late 90's
now its oh 2 grams of test with deca tren eq and everything else anyone can shove in their ass?

is this a marketing ploy by all the sources to sell more steroids making people think they need more to get huge? when we have already talked about no matter how many drugs someone uses unless they have the genetics they wont go to far....

sorry about the rant just tired of seeing newbies on 2-3 grams of gear a week injects an orals and looking nothing like a bodybuilder ...

hate to be the one to break the news to ya bro....but if thoe guys didnt know about pct back then, what makes you think they knew that higher doses shut you down more then lower doses?

the pros back then stayed on year round back then just as the pros now do

 

[glennds]

It is crazy,

I am just starting my first really high dosage cycle,

2 grams of Test E per week 1-14
800mg of Deca 1-14

why do you need to use such high doses? congrats on your BP butr have you considered your cholesterol and liver enzymes?

im sure you look great but sir youre old. do you tell your doctor about your steroid use and get your vitals checked?

please dont get all defensive as i am not coming down on you. its your body and you can do what you want. this seems excessive even for a young guy.

 

[chazk]

I'm not agianst high doses if

your guys like quadsweep,needsize,wulfgar and others on here are competative at a state national level and I can see them doing what ever it takes and they have my full respect and if they need grams a week its justified becuase they are just keeping up with everyone else in the game...
or even if your desiel and know what your doing its ok.

i think its crazy to run them if
your billy joe bob with no ifbb chance he dont even work his legs what the fuck does he need to be running grams of steroids for with boatloads of orals becuase I notice alot of that going on on the boards ..

 

[mobro]

I think your right about trying to replace hard work with AAS. Not going to happen. I would like to keep it mild and improve on my PCT. I know I never want to compete and I think I have some reachable goals. Of course when I reach them I wil probably set some more!

 

[Nelson Montana]

The reason the stories have changed is clearly for one reason -- internet message boards. And the proliferation of self appointed experts with no cred beyond posting on message boards.

I've never spoken to Arnold but I've spoken to guys who trained with him. And I was around when steroids were legal and the use was very much in the open. I've sat across from Dan Duchaine as he spoke about coaching pro bodybuilders for major contests. I've spoken to many pros who were quite candid about their use and I can tell you two things with all certainly.

One: None of the guys back in the 60's and 70's ever took more than a gram a week.

And two: There are even pros today that don't take as much as most of the guys on this board.

I know no one wants to admit it because then they'd have to admit how much they suck. Too many people want to believe the difference between greatness is a matter of the drugs because, lets face it, they're a big factor. But they're only one factor. Genetics, plus the genetics for the drugs themelsves are HUGE factors. Arnold responded to d-bol in an amazing way. But the biggest factor was the training. Most guys don't get close to training at the intensity of the old timers. Sorry. Those guys were obessed.

Because of the availability of the drugs and a fellow audience with whom to respond instantly, it's only natural that more and more people are going to push the envelope. After a while a gram a week is commonplace and no one can comprehend making gains with less. When people say things like "those old guys were on year round" or "they took more than they admit to" ...they simply do not know what they're talking about. I was there.

Another thing no one wants to admit was that the old timers were coming from a "health" perspective. They treated the stuff with respect. Sure, by the 70's that started to change among the hardcore guys but keep something else in mind; these were DRUGS and as far as anyone knew, there were dangers involved. It takes time for more and more people to see how far they can go. Don Howorth (Mr. America) told me that when he took 20 mgs of d-bol he was ecstatic at the progress he made! That's because he busted his ass for years fighting for every ounce of muscle he had. Too many young guys today simply do not understand that... and never will.

I've often made the point that it isn't so much the biggest guy who knows the most, but the guy who makes the most progress. Who do you think knows more about building muscle, some guy who does a gram of week and weighs 190 pounds or some guy who started at 150 and got to 190, drug free? On the boards....it doesn't matter. People want the easy answer and they're more likely to ask the guy who does the gram a week for advice.

Arnold was known for his excessive drug use. He shot 100mgs of Primo a day along with 50 mgs of d-bol and was considered a renegade! Dan Duchaine told me Dorian liked to use just testosterone and did a gram a week which, believe it or not, was considered "high" back in 1990.

If higher dosages were the answer guys on this board would be monsters. Although some bros look real good, I also see a lot of pics of guys who look like any average Joe who works out. Sometimes not even that. And they're juicing harder than Dorian did. Think about that.

I know my rant will not change what anyone will do, nor is it meant to. My approach to steroids is their optimal usage as an adjunct to natural training. In that regard, yes, I know my sh*t. I have to laugh when I see guys giving cocksure advice on stuff on which they have no clue. And all these questions about which stack is better and what to use as a "cutter" ( which are jokes IMO) are all a bunch of self (and shared) delusion in an effort to think oneself knowledgable. For the most part, a gram is a gram. Ever do a free standing hack squat? Pay your dues sonny.

Yep, it's a differant world and I accept it. And I'm all for civil liberties so if want to take 10 grams a week in order to look good on the beach, be my guest. But don't try to concvice me that it's the only way.

And don't try to rewrite history.











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[chazk]

thanks nelson that was very informative I like to hear from people that have first hand knowledge of things...

I see your point if dorian was on a gram of week and looked like he did in 1992
then everyone that takes a gram should look like dorian but they dont they dont have his genetics so instead of just facing that fact they hit the message boards and inflate it to dorian was on two gram of test a week.. to make themsleves feel better why they look nothing like dorian becuase dorian " just had to be on 2 grams a week " then the stories get passed around over and over next it up to 3 grams a week .