what's up with the ANTI clomid attitude

[Bruce]

as for your question jager. clomid is and will remain the best way to recover from a cycle, hcg is not enough. there are other ways people are going but nothing has knocked clomid off by any means, and trust me bros are still investing in there clomid, so whatever is being said just let it go. i sure do hope that some of the newer things wind up being better cause clomid is not specifically designed for our needs. but i have yet to see it

 

[Primordial Performance]

Which ingredient "acts as a SERM". This sounds impressive...

Resveratrol acts like a SERM.... a healthy one.

-Pp

 

[jagerbombme]

as for your question jager. clomid is and will remain the best way to recover from a cycle, hcg is not enough. there are other ways people are going but nothing has knocked clomid off by any means, and trust me bros are still investing in there clomid, so whatever is being said just let it go. i sure do hope that some of the newer things wind up being better cause clomid is not specifically designed for our needs. but i have yet to see it

sup my brother. yea, im thinking clomid, hcg, small amount of nolva, aifm.

 

[billdance]

haven't been around much, been working too much and school. now im laid off for a bit and see all this negativity towards clomid. and some retard is telling people to take hcg and arimidex for pct. that's fucking retarted. i already made that mistake. most knew better too when i made the mistake.

what's going on here

No one addressed Arimidex....or did I miss it?

 

[lartinos]

Resveratrol acts like a SERM.... a healthy one.

-Pp

I'm going to try derma just because of Pat Arnolds recent praise of Resveratrol

 

[Primordial Performance]

I'm going to try derma just because of Pat Arnolds recent praise of Resveratrol

Does he have his own res product now?

-Pp

 

[needtogetaas]

No one addressed Arimidex....or did I miss it?

arimidex is dame good for on cycle..I love it.

 

[lartinos]

Does he have his own res product now?

-Pp

When I last heard he was working on one. (in his MD article with Palumbo)
He praised it, which really makes me wanna give it a try.

 

[soxfan]

Bros,

I never use hcg anymore, nasty stuff. Clomid works fine and a low dose is fine.

Methods. Our cohort consisted of 36 Caucasian men with hypogonadism defined as serum testosterone level less than 300 ng/dL. Each patient was treated with a daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate and followed prospectively. Analysis of baseline and follow-up serum levels of testosterone and estradiol levels were performed.

Results. The mean age was 39 years, and the mean pretreatment testosterone and estrogen levels were 247.6 ± 39.8 ng/dL and 32.3 ± 10.9, respectively. By the first follow-up visit (4–6 weeks), the mean testosterone level rose to 610.0 ± 178.6 ng/dL (P < 0.00001). Moreover, the T/E ratio improved from 8.7 to 14.2 (P < 0.001). There were no side effects reported by the patients.

Conclusions. Low dose clomiphene citrate is effective in elevating serum testosterone levels and improving the testosterone/estadiol ratio in men with hypogonadism. This therapy represents an alternative to testosterone therapy by stimulating the endogenous androgen production pathway. Shabsigh A, Kang Y, Shabsign R, Gonzalez M, Liberson G, Fisch H, and Goluboff E. Clomiphene citrate effects on testosterone/estrogen ratio in male hypogonadism. J Sex
Med 2005;2:716–721

 

[Triple J]

yes that is a good study and basically proves the point that the majority of the time most of the problems people experience with clomid is due to over-dosing.