what's up with the ANTI clomid attitude

[metalgodz1]

amen for dosinex, that will be the first thing on hand for me for any tren or deca cycle, ross knows his stuff, I had to learn the hard way. 500mcg a day, when under control 500mcg eod.

 

[njmuscleguy]

so for you guys that are hoping that these substances bring you back. im looking for tried and true, despite sides, that will bring me back to what i should be at. i plan on doing the pct for 6 weeks

3 weeks hcg 1000iu 3X per week
clomid 100mg ed for 7 days and then 50mg ed for remainder
nolva 20mg ed

get tested at 3 weeks after pct and see what i gots

Hey bro, i feel your pain... caffiene does that to me too most of the time, love/hate relationship.

First off, run HCG at no more than 500iu ED for 10 days. 1000iu is pretty high, and that regimen could spike up levels of estrogen and make recovery more difficult (not to mention make you feel like crap). Also, anytime you're taking HCG, you need to take an AI, and take it for up to 5-7 days after, since HCG has a pretty long half-life.

Next, run clomid at 50mg, which is just as effective as the higher dosages, plus the potential sides are minimized. No need for frontload, that just increaess sides. Skip the nolva. It's overkill, plus it KILLS libido.. I know that from personal experience.

 

[Slyder190]

Politics? I don't think anyone here has a vested interest in clomid, or benefts from people not using it.

I recommend supplementing PCT with natural stuff but still advise using certain drugs when necessary. So it doesn't serve me to be against one drug and not another.

Since I was the lone "anti-clomid" guy from way back I'll take the stand. Any compound that acts as an estrogen (this includes nolva and certain natural substances such as DIM) works by occupying the receptor site thus not allowing estrogen to "dock." (An untechnical explanation but you get the idea). The problem is, it simply doesn't always work. In many cases, it just adds more estrogen and estrogen side effects. This is evidenced in the fact that some people feel like a "girly girl" while on it. Some guys get a surge in libido on clomid while others experience a drop in libido. it's a crap shoot. Other sides include moodiness, depression, blurred vision and fatique. According to Jerry Brainum, most pros no longer use Clomid. Many non pros have tried alternative PCT which included some natural substances and have recovered as well and in some cases faster and better than when using Clomid.

I don't know what you did wrong with your PCT but there are a lot of things that can go awry. Blaming it on HCG and a-dexor not using Clomid may not be accurate.

Bottom line: If Clomid works for you, use it. But it's not the sure fire thing it was made out to be. And using more doesn't necessarily work better. Using it with the right supps can shorten the duration it's needed. And for many cycles it may not be neccessary at all. Rememeber, the old timers didn't use it and recovered fine with no gyno, but they didn't do the cycles most guys are doing today.

Hey, at least it isn't as bad as Nolvadex.

So the moral of the story is, buy my book.

 

[boyer]

Why would pros use clomid, if they never come off.

 

[jagerbombme]

Why would pros use clomid, if they never come off.

good point brother, hehe

 

[needtogetaas]

PCT is in no way cookie cutter.
Everybody has their own tweak to it.
If someone asks I'll tell them what works for me.
This in no way states that my way is the only way or the way that you should do it also.
It is a recommendation that they are free to try or disregard at their leasure.

I wish every one was more like this....heaven forbid some one rec amend some thing other then clomid...lmao

 

[needtogetaas]

I've used Clomid many times before, in various PCT scenarios.... not only was it not effective for me, I hated the side effects (mood swings, floaters, severe abdominal cramps). Nolvadex didn't help much either, and it killed my libido.

I've also tried various OTC products proported to help recover... tribulus, maca, catuaba... I've tried "Post-Cycle" and "Unleashed" from Protein Factory... none of them were remarkable, IMO, for recovery.

So this is why I don't like clomid, and I don't have much faith in many supplements.

but you have used dermacrin and its working for you so expect every one to hate on you for saying it works bro.lmao

 

[njmuscleguy]

but you have used dermacrin and its working for you so expect every one to hate on you for saying it works bro.lmao

They can hate if they want or they can benefit from my experiences...choice is theirs... if it were reversed, I know what I would do... point is, I've tried the "pharmaceuticals"... I know what works for me and what doesn't... I've tried lots of supplements, OTC stuff, as well... most were crap, but I had to give them a shot just to see for myself.... I gave Dermacrine the same chance... and it's pleasantly surprised me....I will give my final assessment once I get bloodwork... it will be honest and unbiased, as always

 

[digit0x]

but you have used dermacrin and its working for you so expect every one to hate on you for saying it works bro.lmao

hey needto, does derma have an ingredient to combat prolactin? either sustain or otherwise

 

[ole farte']

I hope clomid isnt as bad as all the hype on here, I'm starting it for the 1st time when I come off my 1st ever cycle!!!

Must admit a lot of the posts about it have got me a little worried!!

don't worry, way too much mis-information around here .stick with the tried and true methods........hcg.......clomid.......hcg.........clomid. don't fuck yourself up trying new and untested methods