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what's up with the ANTI clomid attitude
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solidspine
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Nelson, who told you I am 5’4”, another dream,
I am 5’5” so there.
2 grams of gear, where did you hear that? That would be CRAZY!!!
I am easily at 4 grams plus, so try to take notes, and next time you are pissed of at me ( in about 30 seconds) read your notes. ---remedial NELSON montanta reading.
And no, no, no, no ---------no how many times do you have to ask, I will not let you see my dick, so stop asking to see it,
Sorry you pin head, get off your skate board,
Lying again,
And by the way you should not comment on nolvedex, do you have any idea what it is, or why we take it, have you ever heard of anti-e, I did not think so.
How much have you taken, when did you take it, Do you have any idea what an anti-e is, I did not think so,
so please keep your uniformed opinions to your self, or at least admit, you don’t know, anything,
How would you know what an anti – e is for, you are not a body builder.
Have you ever taken it, again, where did you plagiarized this information or are trying to sell some slimly substitute.
Oh yeah, can you vote in my poll about the least knowledgeable expert on the board,
Are you still on the board, or have you been banned here like everywhere else.
Have a nice day and please stop slamming everything I say, and stop saying I don’t know anything,
Okay it may be true, but I did not plagiarize it, I may not know anything, but at least I can cut and paste better then you,
Now it is your turn to write something witty, please don’t swear too much.
I am 5’5” so there.
2 grams of gear, where did you hear that? That would be CRAZY!!!
I am easily at 4 grams plus, so try to take notes, and next time you are pissed of at me ( in about 30 seconds) read your notes. ---remedial NELSON montanta reading.
And no, no, no, no ---------no how many times do you have to ask, I will not let you see my dick, so stop asking to see it,
Sorry you pin head, get off your skate board,
Lying again,
And by the way you should not comment on nolvedex, do you have any idea what it is, or why we take it, have you ever heard of anti-e, I did not think so.
How much have you taken, when did you take it, Do you have any idea what an anti-e is, I did not think so,
so please keep your uniformed opinions to your self, or at least admit, you don’t know, anything,
How would you know what an anti – e is for, you are not a body builder.
Have you ever taken it, again, where did you plagiarized this information or are trying to sell some slimly substitute.
Oh yeah, can you vote in my poll about the least knowledgeable expert on the board,
Are you still on the board, or have you been banned here like everywhere else.
Have a nice day and please stop slamming everything I say, and stop saying I don’t know anything,
Okay it may be true, but I did not plagiarize it, I may not know anything, but at least I can cut and paste better then you,
Now it is your turn to write something witty, please don’t swear too much.
I don't think anyone on here is arguing that clomid won't get your test up again, it's just that a lot of people think you can do it without the sides you get from clomid, and in the long run have a better recovery (i.e. more muscle retention, better sex drive sooner etc.). Plus Clomid is pretty toxic shit, and with anything that hurts your liver, the less you do, especially if you used a lot of orals, the better.
Also on the HCG side, I think regardless of what you use for PCT, HCG should be used on cycle.
If you are on a long cycle you have to keep your testes going, if you don't use them for 12 weeks how can you expect them not to atrophy? If you use HCG for about a week at a time once or twice during cycle it will get them going and come PCT time they will recover much faster. Also what you really want post cycle is your natural LH production to come back, so why then jack your body up with a bunch of exogenous LH mimmicker (HCG)? Also I have heard HCG will desensitize the testes to LH, so if you use it on a 12 week cycle during weeks 8-10 or 9-11, then give a week or 2 off it, the testes will not be desensitized to LH but they won't be atrophied either. It will give 'em a little test run before the big show.
But really even if you keep the testes going the HTPA is still going to atrophy. Really what you need for an optimal, quick recovery is to keep the whole HTPA, from the receptors in the brain that "measure" your body's estrogen and test all the way to the testes so that the whole machine is primed and ready to go for PCT. Even if your testes are ready to go if you aren't getting the LH from the hypothalamus, or the pituitary is slow to create GnRH then you're big ole balls ain't gonna make shit. On this subject you guys should check out this mezo article, it's got some pretty interesting ideas on the subject;
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/potratz/opioid-modulation.htm
Also on the HCG side, I think regardless of what you use for PCT, HCG should be used on cycle.
If you are on a long cycle you have to keep your testes going, if you don't use them for 12 weeks how can you expect them not to atrophy? If you use HCG for about a week at a time once or twice during cycle it will get them going and come PCT time they will recover much faster. Also what you really want post cycle is your natural LH production to come back, so why then jack your body up with a bunch of exogenous LH mimmicker (HCG)? Also I have heard HCG will desensitize the testes to LH, so if you use it on a 12 week cycle during weeks 8-10 or 9-11, then give a week or 2 off it, the testes will not be desensitized to LH but they won't be atrophied either. It will give 'em a little test run before the big show.
But really even if you keep the testes going the HTPA is still going to atrophy. Really what you need for an optimal, quick recovery is to keep the whole HTPA, from the receptors in the brain that "measure" your body's estrogen and test all the way to the testes so that the whole machine is primed and ready to go for PCT. Even if your testes are ready to go if you aren't getting the LH from the hypothalamus, or the pituitary is slow to create GnRH then you're big ole balls ain't gonna make shit. On this subject you guys should check out this mezo article, it's got some pretty interesting ideas on the subject;
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/potratz/opioid-modulation.htm
bikercoz
New member
Totally agree with Macl73, I have had great results with Clomid and HCG and AIFM for PCT. That combo brought my Test level back to 518 at 8 weeks post cycle at 46 years of age. Plus your only on it for 3-4 weeks or so. Never had vision issues, just deal with the emotional stuff. Also agree with Macl73 that much of the bashing is financially based as folks want to sell their own PCT products.
wanas said:
The clomid sides are real for about ½ the people that use it. I don’t like the sides so I don’t use it anymore. Plus once I learned about the "other side" of these drugs I never looked back. No reason to.
T-mag should be blasted for carelessly promoting clomid like they did. These drugs should definitely have a WARNGING disclaimer attached to them. Poor newbies think these drugs are a bodybuilders best friends. – fuck that.
-Pp
njmuscleguy
New member
digit0x said:
Well, until very recently, I just resolved to deal with the crash and then hope to jump back on again...I know it sounds bad, but as long as all my other values came up ok in bloodwork, then I just dealt with my nat test levels being shot... just prior to my current PCT, I had found a PCT regimen that worked the best ever for me, though it was still lacking... it included HCG (500 iu ED for 10 days at end of cycle), 50mg ED clomid for 4-6 weeks, aromasin first 2 weeks of PCT
I'm currently using Dermacrine (I know I'll get heat for this but whatever)... I still ran HCG at the end of my cycle... I'm also taking high-potency tribulus and ZMA, along with the usual multi, glutamine, creatine. This is the best I've EVER felt while "off" *knock wood* I have 1 or 2 weeks left to go, then time for bloodwork... can't wait!
