what's up with the ANTI clomid attitude

[Pat_McCrotch]

Cabergoline should be included in ALL PCT REGIMENS!

Prolactin is usually the cause of so many issues that are often mistaken for estrogen or cortisol.

ELIMINATE PROLACTIN!

Great sex too...

Aside from saying that Proviron is the "only legit bridge drug", nelson was pretty much accurate in his assessment of PCT ancillaries. Proviron should be used in every bridge, but in conjunction with either low dose Dianabol or Primobolan. Proviron ALONE, will produce no distinct anabolic effect.

what dose of primo?

 

[njmuscleguy]

njmuscleguy. Did you use anything else along with POST CYCLE and UNLEASHED? Because if you recovered (albeit slowly) and didn't get gyno, I'd say they did their job, but of course, so much of this is contingent on how hard of a cycle you did. I'm curious.

I've done a couple of PCT's only with PC and Unleashed... and I also tried them with "standard" PCT ancilaries... I didn't get gyno, but then again, I'm hardly gyno-prone as far as I can tell....as for recovery, I wouldn't say that happened either...I have had the bloodwork to prove it. I can say that occasionally I felt a little "boost" from those products, but that's it. I'm not saying they're worthless, just didn't do the job for me. I'm always fair with my assessments.

 

[ironclaw]

I'll chime in here on the issue of clomid. This is the first proper pct that ive done after coming off a cycle. I took 1000ius of hcg for 3 days per week for 3 weeks, then switched to clomid at 50 mg ed and nolva at 20 mg ed for 3 weeks. I didn't get any sides associated witht the clomid use, except for a little fatigue which I attributed to just stopping all the gear I was using. I got blood work done at 5 1/2 weeks, and the results came back normal. MY total test was 556 and free test was 126. So I'm happy with the results so far. I'm continuing the clomid until next week and then I'm going back on.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Cabergoline should be included in ALL PCT REGIMENS!

Prolactin is usually the cause of so many issues that are often mistaken for estrogen or cortisol.

ELIMINATE PROLACTIN!

Great sex too...

Aside from saying that Proviron is the "only legit bridge drug", nelson was pretty much accurate in his assessment of PCT ancillaries. Proviron should be used in every bridge, but in conjunction with either low dose Dianabol or Primobolan. Proviron ALONE, will produce no distinct anabolic effect.

Yes, Proviron won't produce an anobolic effect, but if that's what you're going for, you aren't "off." This is where we might get into a linquistics entaglement.

Prolactin can very well be the culprit. Ginsing extract lowers prolactin. (Which may the reason for it's reputation as an aphrodesiac ).

 

[njmuscleguy]

I've actually taken Selegiline during PCT for the purpose of lowering prolactin and increasing libido... not sure if ever helped much, but then again, I couldn't say for sure if elevated prolactin was ever an issue for me.

 

[jagerbombme]

only certain drugs raise prolactin correct? test shouldn't raise prolactin? solidspine is good people also

 

[njmuscleguy]

only certain drugs raise prolactin correct? test shouldn't raise prolactin? solidspine is good people also

Progesterone increases prolactin, therefore, any progestogenic AAS (namely deca and tren) will likely increase prolactin, which is why it's commonly advised to take dost. or bromo. or selegiline while running these AAS

 

[SpyWizard]

First off, no one should listen to solidspine. He's a fool and a liar and doesn't know what he's talking about. He's a 5'4" 57 year old guy who takes 2 grams of gear a week trying to compensate for his small size and small intellect. (Maybe a small dick too. Who knows?) He does nothing but upset threads by bashing. Ignore him if you're smart.

Okay, PCT.

PCT is more a matter of procedure than a set drug protocol.

Nolva is good for gyno but only if you're predisposed to it. 99% of gyno can be prevented by avoiding certain gear and taking the right dosages. Nolva also can have a "rebound" effect. You're doing great and then a month later you're like WTF?!??! It kills libido in many cases, lowers IGF-1. It sucks. It will reduce bloat somewhat but that isn't necessarily a good thing. I hate it.

I do like HCG to get things up and moving but that's about all it does. Using a-dex along with HCG is imperative. The boost in LH will raise estro. By using a-dex, you accomplish two things -- protection against gyno and re-establishing your HPTA.

Proviron is great because it lowers SHBG, thus prventing the estro from forming. A very overlooked technique. But proviron must eventually be stopped. If ever there was a legitimate "bridge" drug, it's Proviron.

Of course, I think certain supps will help things along.

MyogenX can help increase natural LH.

POST CYCLE will help detox liver, prevent ED and give extra estro elimination.

Dermacrine may lower e as may CytogenX. I have no personal experience with them but feedback looks good.

UNLEASHED lowers SHBG (like Proviron) which increases free test and prevents estro from forming. VERY valuable PC.

If clomid works, use it. But don;t use it for too long. And as I've said a thousand times (and had so many people bite my head off for it) you do not need more than 50 mgs a day. And even if you do, adding some supps can't hurt.

yep, as i have used MyogenX and Dermacrine, i can say both of these work well, i have not used UNLEASHED but Proviron messes too much with my hair, so i will give that a go..

Clomid messed with my eyes, so i won't use that again..

 

[lartinos]

Always hated clomid and have used nolva PC. Last post cycle I stopped the nolva and just ran AIFM with good results along with igf-1, zinc.........etc.

 

[jagerbombme]

last time i came off i used liquid clomid for 10 days at 75mg ed. libido was shit, 6 weeks after cycle my test was 70. this is why im trying a full blown pct this time with clomid, nolva, hcg.

first cycle i used only hcg and aifm and once discontinuing the hcg my balls shriveled to grapes and was shutdown harder than when i came off. which is why i didn't stay off too long. then second cycle was disaster with anxiety and heart shit happening. didn't stay off long that time either and third cycle this one was another heart issue until i realized all the problems were coming from caffiene use while on aas. i stopped caffiene and no rapid or irregular heart beats.


would npp raise prolactin. cause i was running npp and enanthate. took two weeks off and quit caffiene and started up prop. libido is barely hanging in there at 75mg eod. weird.

i don't think im running nandralones again, and would never run anadrol. if my test doesn't come back though im gonna stay on for good. fuck it.

so for you guys that are hoping that these substances bring you back. im looking for tried and true, despite sides, that will bring me back to what i should be at. i plan on doing the pct for 6 weeks

3 weeks hcg 1000iu 3X per week
clomid 100mg ed for 7 days and then 50mg ed for remainder
nolva 20mg ed

get tested at 3 weeks after pct and see what i gots