what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo yaaa baby.

[Primordial Performance]

if the product increases dhea and pregnanalone levels like i read in another thread..

whats the difference of someone spends 20$ on a 3 months supply of dhea and preg they are both really cheap or spends $70 on cream?

It’s the unique AI’s, and the topical technology that constitute the value of Derma.

Besides, you would have to take 10x the amount of oral DHEA/preg to get the same blood levels as derma, and your test still wouldn’t be as high since the hormones are not passing the steroidogenic enzymes in the skin.

The other ingredients like resveratrol, benzoflavone, and chrysin have some cool properties too…. and again these ingredients are much better absorbed topically than orally.

-Pp

 

[chazk]

It’s the unique AI’s, and the topical technology that constitute the value of Derma.

Besides, you would have to take 10x the amount of oral DHEA/preg to get the same blood levels as derma, and your test still wouldn’t be as high since the hormones are not passing the steroidogenic enzymes in the skin.

The other ingredients like resveratrol, benzoflavone, and chrysin have some cool properties too…. and again these ingredients are much better absorbed topically than orally.

-Pp

resveratrol is found in redwine
benzoflavone in passiflora plants
chrysin also is found in passiflora

so one could chew a passiflora leave pop a few dhea and pregnalone pills and chase it with a glass of red wine....and have a formula to raise testosterone
interesting...

when you say 10x as much dhea and preg what exactly is the oral dose needed to achieve the transdermal dose...

can you give me a quick break down of the derma cream...

thanks sounds like the mixture is pretty well though out. to raise test and block estrogen.. how would it compare to AIFM ? same or stronger?

 

[Primordial Performance]

resveratrol is found in redwine
benzoflavone in passiflora plants
chrysin also is found in passiflora

so one could chew a passiflora leave pop a few dhea and pregnalone pills and chase it with a glass of red wine....and have a formula to raise testosterone
interesting...

when you say 10x as much dhea and preg what exactly is the oral dose needed to achieve the transdermal dose...

can you give me a quick break down of the derma cream...

thanks sounds like the mixture is pretty well though out. to raise test and block estrogen.. how would it compare to AIFM ? same or stronger?

I say 10x, cause oral DHEA is absorbed at about 3%, while our topical DHEA is absorbing at 30% or better. So you would have to take about a gram of DHEA orally to get the same levels.

Our AI is not as strong as the ATD in AIFM… but our AI’s have a much more positive effect on the HTPA, and wont over-suppress estrogen and hurt libido, fertility, cholesterol values, ect. In fact the resveratrol, benzoflavone and chysin are known to have a positive effect on these things.

Here is a link about our topical technology. The best topical on the market IMO.

http://www.primordialperformance.com/delivery_technology.cfm

-Pp

 

[chazk]

I say 10x, cause oral DHEA is absorbed at about 3%, while our topical DHEA is absorbing at 30% or better. So you would have to take about a gram of DHEA orally to get the same levels.

Our AI is not as strong as the ATD in AIFM… but our AI’s have a much more positive effect on the HTPA, and wont over-suppress estrogen and hurt libido, fertility, cholesterol values, ect. In fact the resveratrol, benzoflavone and chysin are known to have a positive effect on these things.

Here is a link about our topical technology. The best topical on the market IMO.

http://www.primordialperformance.com/delivery_technology.cfm

-Pp

thanks for the link looks like a decent product . But i have used all of the above dhea,preg,chrysin,redgrape skin extract with little or nill results .But the transdermal application could change all that?
I was expecting some new revolutionary compound never before used in any other products in the past . But if a company can take old supplements and make them work better then that could work to...
thanks again for the site

 

[deepdish]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

I say 10x, cause oral DHEA is absorbed at about 3%, while our topical DHEA is absorbing at 30% or better. So you would have to take about a gram of DHEA orally to get the same levels.

Our AI is not as strong as the ATD in AIFM… but our AI’s have a much more positive effect on the HTPA, and wont over-suppress estrogen and hurt libido, fertility, cholesterol values, ect. In fact the resveratrol, benzoflavone and chysin are known to have a positive effect on these things.

Here is a link about our topical technology. The best topical on the market IMO.

http://www.primordialperformance.com/delivery_technology.cfm

-Pp

This may be a stupid question, but how is the DHEA converted testosterone not suppressive?

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

This may be a stupid question, but how is the DHEA converted testosterone not suppressive?

meh
On the contrary, DHEA and pregnenolone appear to encourage there own production by stimulating the enzymes and hypothalamus to increase androgen production. Pregnenolone has been found to increase the release of gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) from the pituitary, and thereby increase luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) release.7 DHEA has been shown to stimulate StAR at a cellular level, therefore enhancing uptake of cholesterol into the mitochondria and up-regulating the rate limiting step in hormone synthesis.8 These properties of DHEA and pregnenolone seem to make them an excellent choice for post cycle therapy (PCT) or hypogonadal men

 

[RottenWillow]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

On the contrary, DHEA and pregnenolone appear to encourage there own production by stimulating the enzymes and hypothalamus to increase androgen production. Pregnenolone has been found to increase the release of gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) from the pituitary, and thereby increase luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) release.7 DHEA has been shown to stimulate StAR at a cellular level, therefore enhancing uptake of cholesterol into the mitochondria and up-regulating the rate limiting step in hormone synthesis.8 These properties of DHEA and pregnenolone seem to make them an excellent choice for post cycle therapy (PCT) or hypogonadal men

Dude where do you keep finding this stuff?

 

[Primordial Performance]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

Dude where do you keep finding this stuff?

He just gets in from the website... works for me.

-Pp

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

Dude where do you keep finding this stuff?

the world is filled with information...... but I get all mine from my kids.you wouldn't how smart they are.

 

[deepdish]

Re: what we have all bin waiting for/Dermacrine before and after test results....oooo

That doesn't really answer the question. If DHEA is converted to testosterone by enzymes in the skin, won't this act to inhibit the very loop that you are attempting to restore through pct?

meh
On the contrary, DHEA and pregnenolone appear to encourage there own production by stimulating the enzymes and hypothalamus to increase androgen production. Pregnenolone has been found to increase the release of gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) from the pituitary, and thereby increase luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) release.7 DHEA has been shown to stimulate StAR at a cellular level, therefore enhancing uptake of cholesterol into the mitochondria and up-regulating the rate limiting step in hormone synthesis.8 These properties of DHEA and pregnenolone seem to make them an excellent choice for post cycle therapy (PCT) or hypogonadal men