what are first timers being told these days?

[heavy_duty]

When you as in YOU are asked by somebody who is 100% ready to start a cycle do you tell him to run 250 or 500 test?

I'm really just wondering if there is anythng we can all agree on (LOL)

 

[xariesj2x]

i say it probly would depend on age imo

 

[iceman7230]

Everyone is saying 250 but fuck it I would go 500!

 

[b_light]

i was told 500 by everyone.

 

[Acela]

i say 250 because thats what i did and i got good, not great gains (10 lbs +-), but it also eased me into the dark side and has now allowed me to get GREAT gains off of Te.st E @ 425 mgs EW (20 lbs +-). if i took 500 to start, my guess is i'd need 750 currently for the same results. it also minimizes sides.

 

[heavy_duty]

Yah Acela that is the logic behind 250. In theory this way you work up.
but there any many many who know much better than I.
that's why I brought it up.
thanks

 

[justchilling]

i guess that a first timer would get good gains of 250 or 500. i used 500mg my first time and wanted to stop gainning weight by week 8.

 

[mr.nitro]

used 500mg and the gains where ok.

 

[ViperHMS]

I'd suggest 250 as a base

 

[slimsc]

i say 250 because thats what i did and i got good, not great gains (10 lbs +-), but it also eased me into the dark side and has now allowed me to get GREAT gains off of Te.st E @ 425 mgs EW (20 lbs +-). if i took 500 to start, my guess is i'd need 750 currently for the same results. it also minimizes sides.

what he said... if a newbie has his nutrition in line 250mg is plenty!

 

[ShowKidd]

i guess that a first timer would get good gains of 250 or 500. i used 500mg my first time and wanted to stop gainning weight by week 8.

same here, actually cut cycle short 3 1/2 weeks early because of it.

 

[Acela]

same here, actually cut cycle short 3 1/2 weeks early because of it.

just curious, were the gains too obvious (to others) or were you physically uncomfortable putting on too much too quick?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm not sure what first timers are being told but I can tell you the WORST things they're being told. Recommending over 500 mgs, the fallacy that anything under 10 weeks is a waste and that testosterone is best for a first cycle. All bad advice.

 

[heavy_duty]

whoa you got me on the last one! [shrug]
so Nelson
you agree that 250 for 8-10 weeks is a good idea or that test for a first is a bad idea.

fuck I wonder if there will every be ONE thing that everybody can agree on LOL

ok Today is Sunday, we all agree on that!

 

[Nelson Montana]

whoa you got me on the last one! [shrug]
so Nelson
you agree that 250 for 8-10 weeks is a good idea or that test for a first is a bad idea.

fuck I wonder if there will every be ONE thing that everybody can agree on LOL

ok Today is Sunday, we all agree on that!

Today is SUNDAY?

Seriously, I think an ideal first cycle is something like 500 mgs of Primo for a month. I know...that's a girlie girl cycle but it'll give you a taste of how the stuff works and since it's your first you're more likely to make the most of it with hard training and protein consumption. I found that the more cycles someone does the more the training and diet can get lax.

 

[slimsc]

Today is SUNDAY?

Seriously, I think an ideal first cycle is something like 500 mgs of Primobolan - methenolone - for a month. I know...that's a girlie girl cycle but it'll give you a taste of how the stuff works and since it's your first you're more likely to make the most of it with hard training and protein consumption. I found that the more cycles someone does the more the training and diet can get lax.

hey pro...

i can defiantly agree with primo on first, but for one month? it usually takes my favorite compound 4-6 weeks to start kicking...

please expound further...

maybe:

1-8 primo 300/500 ew

prefer:

1-12 primo 300/500 ew

 

[Nelson Montana]

hey pro...

i can defiantly agree with Primobolan - methenolone - on first, but for one month? it usually takes my favorite compound 4-6 weeks to start kicking...

please expound further...

maybe:

1-8 Primobolan - methenolone - 300/500 ew

prefer:

1-12 Primobolan - methenolone - 300/500 ew

I just think it's too long. You can see results sooner. Plus, sides are more prevelant after 6 weeks. Recovery is harder.

I also think that psycologically it isn't a good idea for someone to get used to being on for so long. You never know how you're going to react. They can always do another cycle a few months down the road. And it's a long road indeed.

Slow and steady gains are the most solid. Guys who gain 20 pounds the first time out tend to lose it and then spend the next 10 cycles trying to get it back. Then they quit. I see it all the time.

 

[slimsc]

I just think it's too long. You can see results sooner. Plus, sides are more prevelant after 6 weeks. Recovery is harder.

I also think that psycologically it isn't a good idea for someone to get used to being on for so long. You never know how you're going to react. They can always do another cycle a few months down the road. And it's a long road indeed.

Slow and steady gains are the most solid. Guys who gain 20 pounds the first time out tend to lose it and then spend the next 10 cycles trying to get it back. Then they quit. I see it all the time.

very good points, my friend...

 

[beenieman]

I'm getting read to start and was told anywhere inbetween 250-500. I'm running Sust 325 .5cc E3D right inbetween that. The most I'll run in one week will be 488 and that will only happen 2-3 x in a 10 weeker. Discipline is the key with diet, training and rest.

Worst case scenario, I can always turn it into a 8-9 weeker.

 

[ShowKidd]

just curious, were the gains too obvious (to others) or were you physically uncomfortable putting on too much too quick?

it was obvious that i packed on weight but i dressed in over sized clothes to hide it. but the main problem was it was definatley uncomfortable packing on all the weight so quick.

 

[Nathan]

It's weird reading things and more or less knowing the answers now. Docs typically prescribe around 100mg/week of test for HRT - or so my doc told me. I would say 250mg is plenty, especially for a firs ttime cycle. 350mg will give anyone everything they could ask for for their first cycle and more if they train and eat right. I've known too many guys with good habits take that approach and gain far more than guys with a worse work ethic taking mroe drugs. You just don't need a lot.

 

[Acela]

it was obvious that i packed on weight but i dressed in over sized clothes to hide it. but the main problem was it was definatley uncomfortable packing on all the weight so quick.

I hear ya...4months ago i weighed about 165 ish and i checked in today @ 190 (i have made DRAMATIC changes to both diet and lifestyle) and actually my cycle is quite modest ....by EF standards... 400/400 T.est E & E.Q week 12....i am having a hard time bending over to tie my shoes....its funny though, my waist has gone down a belt loop its just "weird" having this much more mass...i've actually bumped into walls misjudging my shoulders walking through a door!

 

[Hard2Beat]

I reccomend 1200 lol..

 

[layinback]

if you cant gain on 250 test for 10 wks first cycle.....your are gonna have a helluva time body building and ditto what nelson said.

 

[heavy_duty]

LOL
lot of guy at my gym misjudge their lats!

I hear ya...4months ago i weighed about 165 ish and i checked in today @ 190 (i have made DRAMATIC changes to both diet and lifestyle) and actually my cycle is quite modest ....by EF standards... 400/400 T.est E & E.Q week 12....i am having a hard time bending over to tie my shoes....its funny though, my waist has gone down a belt loop its just "weird" having this much more mass...i've actually bumped into walls misjudging my shoulders walking through a door!

 

[5x10]

i see alot of 500mgs

i think 250 is plenty for a first timer

also seeing alot of deca is bad
ive always thought its a mild roid

 

[yankees5677]

hell i did 200mgs of test a week HRT and a shot of 1000iu's HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - every couple of weeks and i put almost 20 pounds in 15 weeks. but the diet has to be there. alot of the "right" calories. ALOT of protein. it took me years before i understood how to diet. then after 3 years of learning that went to the doc and got the scripts for the HRT and bought the PCT - post cycle therapy - gear for when i finished. these docs want you to stay on it all year. im too young for that and my natural t levels werent that low. now i cant wait to do my first "real" cycle.
all in all 250mgs once a week should be more than enough if youre eating right to gain muscle and slim the belly down to a 30 inch.

 

[nolimitxxx]

1.5 grams will jack you up real nice

 

[needsize]

personally I would suggest 400mg as a minimal amount....you never gain like your first cycle, and if you short yourself on the dose, you will walk away with less. I went with 500mg test, and 30mg dbol(for the first 4 weeks) and kept 22lbs...with a physique that was already pretty advanced

 

[xrsist]

It's weird reading things and more or less knowing the answers now. Docs typically prescribe around 100mg/week of test for HRT - or so my doc told me. I would say 250mg is plenty, especially for a firs ttime cycle. 350mg will give anyone everything they could ask for for their first cycle and more if they train and eat right. I've known too many guys with good habits take that approach and gain far more than guys with a worse work ethic taking mroe drugs. You just don't need a lot.

agreed ^. and to Heavy Duty its tuesday here

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Personally would go with 500mg/Week for a first cycle. Take advantage of your first. With proper nutrition/training you should be able to make some very solid gains from straight Test cycle at that dose.

M18

 

[hurricane]

250 is prob good but i ran 500 my first cycle test e

 

[hesnobradpitt]

I did 500 and got more than i asked for in gains but id do it
again .
Brad.

 

[Quadsweep]

I did 250 a week and gained 27# in 8 weeks. its soooo much more than anything you had naturaly. i think 250mg a week is fine first time out.

Quadsweep

 

[jumpshot]

Again, 250 sus for 10 weeks blew me up and I was stoked. More does NOT equal better.

 

[bigbox]

I just got off of my first cycle of test cyp 300/eq400 and almost wish I would've done test at 250. It's not because I gained too much though, but a lot of people say to keep it at the bare minimum and 250 would've worked just as good for me. Had great gains!!

 

[Mac173]

I'd say either one.

If you think you will be satisfied w/ 250 then stick w/ that, if not bump it to 500.

I only ran 250 for my last cycle.

 

[xrsist]

I'd say either one.

If you think you will be satisfied w/ 250 then stick w/ that, if not bump it to 500.

I only ran 250 for my last cycle.

hey bro good to see you around. have you finished your cycle already?

 

[Mac173]

hey bro good to see you around. have you finished your cycle already?

I had to quit it cold turkey on wk 8.

No hcg,clomid, ai or anything.

It's been 3wks and things seem to be fine as far as I can tell though.

 

[xrsist]

I had to quit it cold turkey on wk 8.

No HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ,clomid, aromatase inhibitor or anything.

It's been 3wks and things seem to be fine as far as I can tell though.

fuck bro, you gona get hold of some pc t compounds to run or what? how were the gains up till week 8 anyway?

 

[Mac173]

fuck bro, you gona get hold of some pc t compounds to run or what? how were the gains up till week 8 anyway?

Nope, I'm just gonna ride it out and see what happens.

Gains were good up until that point, I was up about 12lbs and strength was way up.

Really haven't lost much considering I didn't do any PCT and I was in the hospital which you know what kind of food you get there and I haven't trained at all for 3wks straight.

 

[xrsist]

Nope, I'm just gonna ride it out and see what happens.

Gains were good up until that point, I was up about 12lbs and strength was way up.

Really haven't lost much considering I didn't do any PCT - post cycle therapy - and I was in the hospital which you know what kind of food you get there and I haven't trained at all for 3wks straight.

hope you pull up ok then bro, you considered running some clomid just in case of a crash..?

 

[Mac173]

hope you pull up ok then bro, you considered running some clomid just in case of a crash..?

I would if I had some, but there was a situation that I lost everything in my stash. I mean everything.

 

[bigbox]

I would if I had some, but there was a situation that I lost everything in my stash. I mean everything.

Hey bro you need clomid?? I have a bottle I'm not planning to use at all if you're in a bind!!!

 

[Mac173]

Hey bro you need clomid?? I have a bottle I'm not planning to use at all if you're in a bind!!!

Thanks, but I'm gonna try to get by w/out it.

Appreciate the offer though.

 

[bigbox]

Thanks, but I'm gonna try to get by w/out it.

Appreciate the offer though.

No problem at all, I wouldn't wanna see anyone get gyno!!!