well, I think i'm done with winny

[jerkbox]

Week 9 of my deca/winny cycle (1st cycle) I think I have decided that the winny has definitely thinned my hair a bit....(7th week of winny @ 40mg/day)

I was paranoid about it, and would examine my head every now and then, but I am pretty sure it has thinned.

So, where do I go from here?

I was planning on running the winny another 2 weeks, as I have enough left for this much. Just had my last shot of deca (was supposed to be 10 weeks, but QV vial was underfilled).

should I perhaps lower the dose to 20mg and continue or just stop it right now all together?

I am certainly going to run out and get some hair stuff - Nizoral, Rogaine, yada yada.....

I still am not convinced that I am prone to MPB, as I had no signs of thinning before, no bald spot, no receding hairline etc....

do you think Tren will give me the same results?

Any advice for preventing it in the future? I've read varying opinions about stopping hairloss from winny. perhaps i should have only run it 6 weeks?

any comments would be appreciated.

 

[DarkMoon]

You actually think it is the winny? I mean winny has never given me hair loss problems. What I would think is not let teh winny go to waste and lower those dosage. OF course thats my opinion

 

[JP@Ironology]

Bro,

Drop the winny. Thru trial and error one learns what harms the hairline. Why continue to use even a small dose if you know the outcome. IMO, I would substitute with anavar.

Tren can cause hair problems.

Good luck.

 

[tiger88]

ya i am too scared to try winny. i just gonna pay nmore for anavar and keep my hair

 

[jerkbox]

bumpola

 

[02gixxersix]

I have never tried winny and recently I have been reading somany negative experiences that i don't think i will any time soon. It was actually going to be part of my next cycle where I'm going to cycle orals in with the test every 6 weeks, but I think I'll just run dbol now.

 

[RADAR]

iF you think you have hair problems now,Just wait until you try tren.

RADAR

 

[borg4902]

Screw you hair i'd just shave it hows the body look?

 

[jerkbox]

iF you think you have hair problems now,Just wait until you try tren.

RADAR

damn....

ok, so the question is, is ANYTHING effective against preventing it with Tren?

and I've also read some posts where people shed with winny, but not with tren....why does this shit have to be so individual?...LOL

 

[variation]

personally if I had hair loss issues, I'd drop all exogeneous androgens, and maybe experiment with combonations of things like GH,IGF-1,insulin,cytraden,prostaglandins...

a personal decision though..

 

[calveless wonder]

i may be in the minority but....

tren didnt really give me any hair problems.Very minor shedding, not out of the ordinary.. while Winny on the other hand wrecked havoc on my hairline (started hardcore when i ran out of nizoral for a week or two...NEVER AGAIN). I was only doing about 150-200 mg's A WEEK..and i'm still shedding a bit almost 5 weeks post cycle but nizoral and polysorbate have definetely thickened it up.

 

[jerkbox]

personally if I had hair loss issues, I'd drop all exogeneous androgens, and maybe experiment with combonations of things like GH,IGF-1,insulin,cytraden,prostaglandins...

a personal decision though..

that's probably stuff I will never touch....


I really don't think I will have hair loss issues with other compounds, or at least I can take steps to protect myself against it w/finasteride, nizoral, etc.

it seems a lot of people have problems with winny, and ancillaries that protect the scalp from the effects of DHT don't counter the effect of winny.

 

[jerkbox]

i may be in the minority but....

tren didnt really give me any hair problems.Very minor shedding, not out of the ordinary.. while Winny on the other hand wrecked havoc on my hairline (started hardcore when i ran out of nizoral for a week or two...NEVER AGAIN). I was only doing about 150-200 mg's A WEEK..and i'm still shedding a bit almost 5 weeks post cycle but nizoral and polysorbate have definetely thickened it up.

I may still give tren a shot, as I have read others with similar results....I was planning on using it in the spring for my next cycle with Test. I guess there's only one way to find out how it will effect me....if I start shedding, I'm gonna have something else on hand to run instead of tren....

 

[AAP]

I ran winny 50mg ED for 34 weeks... never had a problem with my hair or joints.

I did notice however, that it was HARDER to shave my face though.

 

[hrt39]

Everything in moderation.........little (low dose) winny tabs don't phase me a bit. Not my hairline or joints.

 

[supertech69]

I ran winny 50mg ED for 34 weeks... never had a problem with my hair or joints.

I did notice however, that it was HARDER to shave my face though.

Damn, that's a long time to run winny!

My hair sheds a bit also while using winny but, it seems to come back & thicken up once I'm through.

 

[Mandinka2]

Spironolactone 5%. Problem solved.

 

[bowling ball nutz]

spiro cream!

 

[RottenWillow]

My bf just finished an 8 week cycle of TA that he and I cooked up from a Finaplix cartridge and he's been shedding mad amounts of hair. His hair was crazy thick so I honestly cannot tell any difference by looking at it but I've seen him brush it and and I've seen all the hair that comes out when he does. The last 3 weeks or so he would not shut up about it.


Since it's the only legal AAS to order through the mail he wants to try it again but he's already decided he's going to take Proscar during his next cycle to prevent the extra hair loss.

 

[jerkbox]

I ran winny 50mg ED for 34 weeks... never had a problem with my hair or joints.

I did notice however, that it was HARDER to shave my face though.

that is a long time....shit after 7 weeks and a lot of heavy lifting, I can definitely feel it in my joints, even on deca.

 

[jerkbox]

My bf just finished an 8 week cycle of TA that he and I cooked up from a Finaplix cartridge and he's been shedding mad amounts of hair. His hair was crazy thick so I honestly cannot tell any difference by looking at it but I've seen him brush it and and I've seen all the hair that comes out when he does. The last 3 weeks or so he would not shut up about it.


Since it's the only legal AAS to order through the mail he wants to try it again but he's already decided he's going to take Proscar during his next cycle to prevent the extra hair loss.

i have very fine hair....so it's pretty noticable on me (at least to me it is), and I don't think it thinned all that much

 

[RottenWillow]

i have very fine hair....so it's pretty noticable on me (at least to me it is), and I don't think it thinned all that much

Have you looked into the Proscar thing to prevent the loss while you're on cycle? I dont anything about it personally but he read somewhere that it can help to prevent AAS induced hair loss.

 

[jerkbox]

Have you looked into the Proscar thing to prevent the loss while you're on cycle? I dont anything about it personally but he read somewhere that it can help to prevent AAS induced hair loss.

i believe finasteride and deca is a big no no.

but i'll be using it for my next one.

 

[Mandinka2]

Have you looked into the Proscar thing to prevent the loss while you're on cycle? I dont anything about it personally but he read somewhere that it can help to prevent AAS induced hair loss.

Only with test.

 

[RottenWillow]

i believe finasteride and deca is a big no no.

but i'll be using it for my next one.

Ok so it does work with some AAS at least? Jerkbox, which ones does finasteride not work with? I need to relay this stuff to my bf. He never asks questions since he already thinks he knows everything and I'm not too attracted to bald guys.

 

[jerkbox]

i don't think it would have any effect with fina either, I think he would be better off trying the topical spiro, nizoral shampoo, and polysorbate 80.....from what I've read anyway....

like Mandinka siad, finasteride should be used with test

 

[RottenWillow]

Aha. Cool, thanks. Maybe I can persuade turkeybutt to get in here and ask some questions himself. There is a lot he can learn from you guys.

 

[dzuljas]

i think winny is way overrated. Between the stiff joints, risk of injury, fucked up lipid profiles, prostate hypertrophy and thinning hair i say

FUCK WINSTROL

i will take dbol and liquidex anyday over winny

 

[dzuljas]

My bf just finished an 8 week cycle of TA that he and I cooked up from a Finaplix cartridge and he's been shedding mad amounts of hair. His hair was crazy thick so I honestly cannot tell any difference by looking at it but I've seen him brush it and and I've seen all the hair that comes out when he does. The last 3 weeks or so he would not shut up about it.


Since it's the only legal AAS to order through the mail he wants to try it again but he's already decided he's going to take Proscar during his next cycle to prevent the extra hair loss.

Mabye you should start working out with your boyfriend and get some yohimburn DF for that face of yours?

 

[TXM4DM4N]

tren will be worse probably

 

[variation]

winny rules, I did have joint probs quick on it, however 2g glucosamine/day fixed it pronto.

In regards to being prone to MPB and using exogeneous androgens, I really don't think it's worth the risk, once a follicle is targeted, it's pretty much gone...

It's costly, in some cases impossible, and a very long process to regrow hair.


you can take things that inhibit 5-alpha-reductase, but this only works primarily for testosterone, or any androgen that metabolises into DHT via that enzyme. (And you can't even rely on these 100%)

However EXOGENEOUS ADMINISTRATION OF DHT AND ANDROGENS CAN STILL CAUSE HAIR LOSS! ya ya.. site androgen blockers and the like.. is it really worth it, I guess it's a personal decision.

So that's for you to decide, I still suggest people concerned about this read a lot of material on the subject, posts on elite are a start.. but try to take the best of 2 worlds, anecdotal and scientific, and then and only then draw conclusions, and be willing to accept potential risks.

 

[jerkbox]

I haven't really done a whole lot of researching on this, because I really didn't think it would be a problem for me.

can you point me to some better information sources?

thanks again

 

[variation]

what you want to read on is, androgenetic alopecia, (and treatments/prevention) you can do a google search, I say this because I think it's good to read from several sources, I'm not sure of a site that contains all or much of the important information regarding, though you can usually screw out BS by comparing sources.

perhaps some others can recommend some specific sites.

Also many articles are based on conclusions drawn from studies... you can find nearly any good study at pubmed.. search for key terms. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed

I've learned a lot from a good friend of mine that has experienced hairloss, and he's dedicated years into its research. I can say he has some pretty wacky concoctions and has grown back some hair, however progress is quite slow.

 

[twistedneck]

The only side effect I would take Anti Androgens for is BPH. Hair loss looks normal. I mean, how many guys have a full thick head of hair anymore? I know a few, not many.

 

[junk]

Have you looked into the Proscar thing to prevent the loss while you're on cycle? I dont anything about it personally but he read somewhere that it can help to prevent AAS induced hair loss.

Proscar (Finasteride) will do nothing to combat Winny, Tren or Primo. It can only help when using Testosterone. It helps avoid the conversion via blocking 5-alpha-reduktase enzymes (which are responsible on converting test to dht). As far as I know, winny is already a deriatve of DHT, so it is beyond Finasteride to help. Also NEVER take Proscar and Deca or Tren together.

MPB Prone men: Avoid Primobolan, Winny, Tren & Proviron

USE:
Minoxidil (at least 5%) I prefer Xanadron from minoxidil.com
Azelaic Acid
Spironolactone 5%
Nizoral
Finasteride (or better, Dutasteride)
Saw Palmetto

That will cover your all in pretty much systematic and localized DHT lowering. It is not nessecary however for non MPB prone guys.

just me 0.02