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i watched them.redguru said:
tasering is a serious sort of thing. it is, for example, far worse than a slap in the face as a violent act, and yet people would be outraged to see an officer of the law slapping someone in the face to get them to do what they wanted.
a police officer is the interface between the public and the legal system. i dont care if you have "attitude" or are trying some annoying ploy to get out of a ticket, or are unlicensed, or whatever - what it comes down to is that police should approach a situation, gradually increasing the seriousness of the measures they use as time goes on, reasonably. using a taser on a woman you outweigh by a hundred ounds, with your equally heavy partner next to you, is NOT a reasonable response, ESPECIALLY after she overheard him say that she has "attitude" and arced up. that was poorly done on his behalf.
expedient, yes. safe for the officer, yes. reasonable? NO. fact is, the woman did not 'exit the vehicle' as the narrator said, she fell out and landed like a sack of shit, and hurt herself.
benefits of tasering in this case:
fast
easy
low risk to officers
makes some people fear police police, thereby obeying them more
costs of tasering in this case:
woman hurt herself
increasing view of police community wide of being heavy handed
decreased community trust of police officers acting reasonably, therefore increasing acts of "self defense" against police officers in future
increased fear of police officers
acceptance of a barbaric act by people that should be pillars of the community
exposure to litigatory risk for police department
in my estimation, it was a bad call.
no im not bloody kidding. you dont use a bloody taser to make your life easier! what next, poking inmates with cattle prods to make them move to the next cell quicker? bloody hell! youre a cop for fucks sake, you should be able to handle people in such a way that use of something like a taser is used when the incident escalates FAR beyond where it wentfogg88 said:
yep. 20 seconds after teh decision was made to arrest/detain her, he grabbed his taserdial tone said:
youre a cop. its your job to deal with EVERYBODY, not just smart, polite people. i dont care how loud, obnoxious or stupid she was, the cop could have done way better than that.manny78 said:
if *I* can stop a rumble between far, far stupider, belligirent, intoxicated, stoned dickheads who have been eyeing each other off for the past hour and traded insults, then a fucking police officer can fucken well apprehend some moron in a car without zapping her
it isnt a difficult concept.
furthermore, your parallel is askew. why not compare the policemans behaviour with that of joseph stalin while youre at it
gambino, ive noticed that you have a hard on for me lately. you seem to love jumping at what i say belligerently, for some reason. but rather than get abusive, and call you cocksmoking bitch with no perception of their own ignorance, like i normally would, im going to answer your questions, just because im a nice guyGambino said:
the reason it has to do with bush et al is because he is ushering in new legislation, and eroding civil rights in your country so as to make the incidence of abusive, overzealous policing more common. have you not heard of the PATRIOT act? i suppose you think it has to do with patriotism or something, because of its funky name
the comment was a political jibe for those people in the audience receptive to it, and hopefully lead to some increase in the political IQ of some of the buffoons you call countrymen
and as for how i would have handled the situation? i wouldnt have tried ot grab her in the first place, since thatll just arc her up. i would have sped up her phone call, let her say her bit to whoever was on the line, and told her quietly, but firmly, that her license has been suspended, and htat she had to come down to the station to sort it out. i would have eased her fears, and used euphemisms for what was really going on around her to make her more likely to do what i wanted.
she was a loudmouthed drama queen, but she would ahve run out of steam, and as she said, she didnt trust the police - after all, being approached by 2 burly guys when you know youve done something wrong is a fairly stressful thing.
like i said before, if i can convince 2 guys intent on smashing each others face in to not only forget about it, but for them to BOTH come up to me and offer me drinks/joints etc and continue partying afterwards, i can bloody well convince some loud cow to get out of her car without sending 50000 volts through her chest and out her fanny.
and if i can fucken do it, then so too should a trained professional be able to fucken do it.
these arent complicated ideas, really.
