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jstarr37

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I am in my mid forties, wiegh 218, bf around 15%. I want to do a third cycle focusing on vascularity,muscular hardness,strength. i have been training for 3 years seriously. My first cycle was sus 500 ew, (10wks) deca 600 (10wks), dbol 30 ed first and last 4 weeks. My second cycle was 750 test e, 600 eq, 40 dbol last 4 weeks (went 14 weeks with a two week break with HCG.

I looked the most vascular at 212. Id like to beat that by 5-7 lbs and keep my dead over 405 x 5, bench 265 x 5, squat 275 x 5. What thinks yee about 15 weeks eq 600, test E 500, Deca 400? Maybe cut the deca the last 2 weeks and do 60mg dbol.

Also by mainetence calories are 2400 a day (not including exercise). Any diet suggestions.

I almost forgot i am doing a 5x5 routine Squat/squat/row 3xwk, dead 1x week, accessory work on arms and midsection 2x week. Also i do 3 sets of farmers walks with 125lb dumbells 3xweek (heaviest dumbells in the gym)
 
there are many options. DBOL and DECA are not good choices for what you are looking for. EQ, Var, Winny, Masteron,Tren are all compounds known to increase strength and vascularity.
 
and halo also if youre looking for insane strength and vasc. only need 20mg though, but im not too sure if i should really recommend you using it just yet..
 
I think vascularity is a function of low body fat percentage and good genetics.

Strength, you have many choices. Most orals will do. Dbol or anadrol for example. Mix that up with test and you've got a winner.
 
the elite addict said:
there are many options. DBOL and DECA are not good choices for what you are looking for. EQ, Var, Winny, Masteron,Tren are all compounds known to increase strength and vascularity.
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that's what i was thinking. especially dbol at the end, there is some water retention (for me at least) with dbol and i wouldn't want that if i was trying get vascular. maybe you could throw in some tbol in the beginning to help kickstart.
 
im genetically vascular and have about 10% BF, eq and tren and winny make my veins soooo thick ,deca is no good for what ur looking for, low BF helps certain compounds that cause less edema
 
#1 if you want vascularity you're gonna need to drop bf, get down to 10-12% most vascularizing compounds i've heard are winstrol, equipoise, tren.
 
Like I said in my post above, vascularity can be achieved naturally through low body fat, and it also depends on genetics a little. You might want to consider some aas for EXTREME strength increase, or if you want moderate energy bost, there are alternatives to aas.

Bro, why don't you look into Protea body for some products like Lean Fast or Explosive Burn. They are not aas. They are not prohormones. They are harmless supplements that will get you ripped. Getting ripped means you will get vascular and look great.
Most of these suppl. have caffeine and other ingredients that will give you energy in the gym, if thats what you're worried about.

PM me if you need some more info about the products bro; I really think Proteabody can be good for you.
 
No offense but for training 3 years and all that gear I would think your lifts would be much stronger. I think you can probably see better results if you get off that 5x5 and commit to 5-6 days a week in the gym.
 
I'd stay away from winny, it'll give you vascularity but it's too dangerous to do strength training on it. Stick to something that won't dry up joints.
 
Best vascularity drugs are EQ, var, halo and tren. Actually, if your BF is real low, anadrol will really make your veins bulge. Anadrol increases RBC much better than any drug. That's why doctors use it for anemics.

Get the BF down to 10-12% EQ and var, then top off the last 3 weeks with halo, and your veins will be all over the place.


IIRC, AAP said when he was on EQ, tren, halo, and he said his vascularity was the craziest it have ever been.
 
Style said:
I'd stay away from winny, it'll give you vascularity but it's too dangerous to do strength training on it. Stick to something that won't dry up joints.
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yes, but there ae many supplements to help with your joints bro. cissus q. for example
 
P4D2A022 said:
yes, but there ae many supplements to help with your joints bro. cissus q. for example
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Cissus q doesn't really do anything to heal joints. It merely reduces inflammation. So will aspirin.
 
well ive talked to ppl who run cissus q while running winny and they love it. these are the guys that run 100mg/ed
 
the_alcatraz said:
considering you have low enough BF% and genetically you got not very thick skin
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Both factors for sure, but VIGOR will help to bring it out.

I didn;t say cq didn;t help or people didn't get relief from it. I was just stating the pathway by which it worked.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Both factors for sure, but VIGOR will help to bring it out.

I didn;t say cq didn;t help or people didn't get relief from it. I was just stating the pathway by which it worked.
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Good stuff!
 
jstarr37 said:
I am in my mid forties, wiegh 218, bf around 15%. I want to do a third cycle focusing on vascularity,muscular hardness,strength. i have been training for 3 years seriously. My first cycle was sus 500 ew, (10wks) deca 600 (10wks), dbol 30 ed first and last 4 weeks. My second cycle was 750 test e, 600 eq, 40 dbol last 4 weeks (went 14 weeks with a two week break with HCG.

I looked the most vascular at 212. Id like to beat that by 5-7 lbs and keep my dead over 405 x 5, bench 265 x 5, squat 275 x 5. What thinks yee about 15 weeks eq 600, test E 500, Deca 400? Maybe cut the deca the last 2 weeks and do 60mg dbol.

Also by mainetence calories are 2400 a day (not including exercise). Any diet suggestions.

I almost forgot i am doing a 5x5 routine Squat/squat/row 3xwk, dead 1x week, accessory work on arms and midsection 2x week. Also i do 3 sets of farmers walks with 125lb dumbells 3xweek (heaviest dumbells in the gym)
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TEST E, ANAVAR, EQ and possibly some MASTERON when your BF% hits single digits
 
thats way too much gear for someone with your weight and numbers. 3rd cycle and 1.5 grams total. ridiculous. either you dont know how to train or your diet is off and by saying you want vascularity from drugs, come on. drop the bf and its pretty easy to have ropes and cables all over. you could do way less gear and get the same results.
 
timtim said:
thats way too much gear for someone with your weight and numbers. 3rd cycle and 1.5 grams total. ridiculous. either you dont know how to train or your diet is off and by saying you want vascularity from drugs, come on. drop the bf and its pretty easy to have ropes and cables all over. you could do way less gear and get the same results.
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agreed bro!
 
timtim said:
thats way too much gear for someone with your weight and numbers. 3rd cycle and 1.5 grams total. ridiculous. either you dont know how to train or your diet is off and by saying you want vascularity from drugs, come on. drop the bf and its pretty easy to have ropes and cables all over. you could do way less gear and get the same results.
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Well thanks for all the advice guys. In response to "my lifts should be higher or i dont know how to train."....Im self taught and have made alot of mistakes and wasted some time here and there. But i am FAR stronger then when i started.. Im FAR stronger then when i was 20 for that matter. My squats low because i have flexibility/hamstring issues (which i am working on dilligently), sure i can do 375 off a bench or parallel but when I go ATG balance is an issue (working on that too). And I dont do a 5x5 to save time or i dont want to be at the gym 6 days a week. My workouts take 2hrs a pop and i have to accessory aerobics/hiking days twice a week. My joints off gear will simply not take more. high volume long workouts every day = tendonitis and then I aint lifting shit. Also I have to say the eq I get is probably underdosed so it is somewhat less then 1.5 g. By the way, the only sides i get is a little water retention and oily skin at the end of the cycle.
 
jstarr37 said:
Well thanks for all the advice guys. In response to "my lifts should be higher or i dont know how to train."....Im self taught and have made alot of mistakes and wasted some time here and there. But i am FAR stronger then when i started.. Im FAR stronger then when i was 20 for that matter. My squats low because i have flexibility/hamstring issues (which i am working on dilligently), sure i can do 375 off a bench or parallel but when I go ATG balance is an issue (working on that too). And I dont do a 5x5 to save time or i dont want to be at the gym 6 days a week. My workouts take 2hrs a pop and i have to accessory aerobics/hiking days twice a week. My joints off gear will simply not take more. high volume long workouts every day = tendonitis and then I aint lifting shit. Also I have to say the eq I get is probably underdosed so it is somewhat less then 1.5 g. By the way, the only sides i get is a little water retention and oily skin at the end of the cycle.
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i understand, maybe its time to move away from heavy lifts and start training for hypertrophy where injuries will be less likely to occur and you will still grow. 1.5 grams of gear is ALOT. especially for a 3rd cycle. 2 hour workouts are WAY too long. im not being a dick, if you looked into other ways to train youd spend less time in the gym and be much, much less likely to get injured. thats alot of gear. its your body and health so do as you like. try and think long term.
 
timtim said:
i understand, maybe its time to move away from heavy lifts and start training for hypertrophy where injuries will be less likely to occur and you will still grow. 1.5 grams of gear is ALOT. especially for a 3rd cycle. 2 hour workouts are WAY too long. im not being a dick, if you looked into other ways to train youd spend less time in the gym and be much, much less likely to get injured. thats alot of gear. its your body and health so do as you like. try and think long term.
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I agree with Tiny Tim. 2 HOUR WORK OUT'S??? That's too long, bro.
Do a 5 day split. 45 minutes per body part. 8-12 rep range. 5 sets.
Bing-bam-boom... you're done. Quality not quantity. Less gear. Test & Var
will take you far!
 
halfcenturian said:
I agree with Tiny Tim. 2 HOUR WORK OUT'S??? That's too long, bro.
Do a 5 day split. 45 minutes per body part. 8-12 rep range. 5 sets.
Bing-bam-boom... you're done. Quality not quantity. Less gear. Test & Var
will take you far!
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test and var will take you far! lol too much test is makin u rhyme bro :p

I agree with your assesment!

45min to 60min workouts per bodypart. Nothing more.
 
Hey guys thanks for the input! Ive decided just to diet and lose the wieght! Frankly i look better when i jog peace out!!
 
Quick question. If i am trying to get cut up (operating at a caloric deficit) what is the point of doing a hypertrophy routine vs a 5x5. Dont you need excess calories for hypertrophy? Also i am an endomorph (tend to be fat) hope i got that right i always get ecto/endo screwed up.
 
Good point man! My workouts are long because it takes a while to work up to my wieght. Im in my forties and not big on jumping right into my heavy stuff (i like my joints!)
 
jstarr37 said:
Good point man! My workouts are long because it takes a while to work up to my wieght. Im in my forties and not big on jumping right into my heavy stuff (i like my joints!)
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Shit when i did my 525lb bench with no shirt it took me an hour alone just to warm up to it. And I still have inclines and flys left and dips, so Im looking at 2hrs easy.
 
Thankyou!! I cant bench 525 but it still take a half hour just to get through my bench 3 warmups plus 4 working sets and a couple of 8+rep sets to finish.
 
Galaxy said:
If lifting heavy I dont see how one can workout in less than an hour but I guess thats just me. :(
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I lift very heavy bro. I believe a workout should be anywhere between 45 mins and and hour and 15 minutes tops. If you keep it within the hour, it's even better. I rest 30 secs between sets only.
 
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