ttlpkg....IT depression is real....

[Code]

I'll never hire someone with only certs again. Being CCNA CCIE or any other allegedly high dollar certificate programs do not teach people the essential things above and beyond networking.

If I take a guy with just certs and a high school diploma and ask him to give me statement of work to put an IPSec enginer in the DMZ, he'd never be able to do the documents even though he could likely do the work.

And likewise, if I asked someone with only certs present a proposal displaying the ROI of going from platform X to platform Z, he'd turn white with fear.

Guys with certs tend to be role players, they can only do what they've studied. The industry needs people who can do a lot more than administer to a network and a database.

 

[strongchick]

I'm a programmer.

I stopped getting certs in 1999.

CCIE...do you know any?

They are not your typical paper techie.

 

[the nature boy]

hey I'm looking for a job. does anyone know who's looking for anyone with DOS or Windows 3.1 experience?

 

[TheProject]

they may have some valuable material, but I'd rather buy a book instead. You can have a cert or whatever, but no matter how much you know there's going to be a learning curve whenever you enter a new environment.

Absolutely. I always tell people there's the Microsoft way and then there's the right way.

 

[TheProject]

hey I'm looking for a job. does anyone know who's looking for anyone with DOS or Windows 3.1 experience?

Boy, not so much anymore. Most places are at least looking for Win95 experience, preferable NT and 2000.

 

[TheProject]

I'm a programmer.

I stopped getting certs in 1999.

CCIE...do you know any?

They are not your typical paper techie.

Nah, I don't know any CCIE's, and I'll take your word for the fact that they're not your typical paper techie. I would venture to guess that the problem with having that high a level of certification is that you'd need a large environment to really live up to your potential. Plus, I suspect that many places are looking for the jack-of-all trades types as opposed to specialists. The niche for specialists has certainly shrunk.

Something else that has not been mentioned in all this are the factors outside of certs. Things like communication skills, interviewing skills, etiquette, personal presentation, etc. I can't tell you how many people I interviewed that didn't know how to give a proper interview, how to answer questions, or think on their feet.

Not to mention the people that were rejected out-of-hand because they misspelled words on their resume or used incorrect grammar.

Some may think that I'm too picky about such things given that I'm hiring for technical positions, but I think it says a lot about your level of professionalism.

Anyway, just something else to think about.

 

[Island Son]

(i assume you're kidding but)
not even the refurbished-computer nonprofits use Win 3.1.
I still use my dos skills every few months. Batches are cool!

 

[the nature boy]

Boy, not so much anymore. Most places are at least looking for Win95 experience, preferable NT and 2000.

sorry that was my idea of a bad joke.

 

[Drew Carey]

You guys are making me scared! I just got laid off from my job. I was a manger at a trucking company (a fortune 300 company) for close to 10 years. I have enough money and unemployment checks coming in to support my ass for a year while I go back to the local university. I'm signed up for a bunch Cisco related classes and plan on taking the test next December or so. Now you guys are making me question my decision.

 

[minion]

One things for sure the IT profession is certainly a boring occupation. That's depressing enough.

When I retire from the Navy, I'm going to take up a complete opposite. Like furniture making, race car building, a bike shop anything but this.