TREN and Seriously ABNORMAL liver + kidney values...

[hugeskinny]

The doctor did not give me the exact values, but last time I had them checked before being ' on ' , they were higher than usual. This time while ' On ' Tren/Test (60mg-tren EOD, test 400/wk), my liver + kidney values were measured and came back as "shot" or extremely bad... Any insight?

 

[bigrand]

Did you tell him you were juicing? If so, he could be trying to scare you away from juicing. Liver vals shouldnt be too high with those drugs.

Get the values (ALT specifically), BUN and such and postem. your cycle is small, you taking anything else? Hep infection maybe?
Id need to see the values. Did he feel you for hepatomegaly?

 

[khemix]

hugeskinny, its extremely dependent on the person. I was on Accutane for 10 months, and during that time i ran 10 wks of test @ 750mg/wk, and tren at 100mg/eod for 8 wks and my liver values/kidney values never elevated once. Got blood work done every month through the entire cycle and never noticed any change. Get to drinkin some cranberry juice and tylers liver detox should become candy to you .

Chris

 

[Ulter]

I agree if your values are elevated you should be using Tyler Liver Detox.
But tren/test doesn't do that.

 

[Bruce]

i thought tren can only mess with kidneys ive never heard of it fucking with liver

 

[hugeskinny]

the doctor does NOT know about the juice. he does know about the tons of protein i take (200g of whey + 100g in food daily), plus creatine, which he is directing the problem towards (i attempted to argue and he said he'd gladly refer me to a third party).

he said the conditions of the liver/kidney are so bad that they are near to being dialysis.


nothing else has changed in my intake... i did the liver/kidney test before the cycle and now after (dropped the tren 3 days before test)...

i am using 200mg ALA/ed, although i know it should probably be up to about 1000mg. surely i will be bumping that up, start tyler's + milk thistle.

 

[letsrun4it]

i dont have anything to say except best of luck to you recovering.

 

[cat_fish]

I was prescribed some medication awhile back and after about 6 months of taking it I got sicker than shit, it got so bad I became bed ridden for a month. Turns out the medication I was taking caused my liver enzymes to shoot up to 450 the norm being between 35 and 40. Huge, do yourself a favor take some time off the gear give your body a rest.

 

[nuevo laredo]

I was prescribed some medication awhile back and after about 6 months of taking it I got sicker than shit, it got so bad I became bed ridden for a month. Turns out the medication I was taking caused my liver enzymes to shoot up to 450 the norm being between 35 and 40. Huge, do yourself a favor take some time off the gear give your body a rest.

Good advice - you are in a serious state. Give it a rest.

 

[Dellyo]

the doctor does NOT know about the juice. he does know about the tons of protein i take (200g of whey + 100g in food daily), plus creatine, which he is directing the problem towards (i attempted to argue and he said he'd gladly refer me to a third party).

he said the conditions of the liver/kidney are so bad that they are near to being dialysis.


nothing else has changed in my intake... i did the liver/kidney test before the cycle and now after (dropped the tren 3 days before test)...

i am using 200mg ALA/ed, although i know it should probably be up to about 1000mg. surely i will be bumping that up, start tyler's + milk thistle.

My LV's were high at one point in time and the only thing I was on was Creatine???? I got off and they came back..... "directing the problem towards"

 

[hugeskinny]

Thanks bros.

 

[lostlazy]

thats alot of whey

 

[Wulfgar]

thatdoesnt make much sense. I take in 400 grams of protien daily when im on a layoff..around 500 on cycle and over 600 during contest prep...and on 17A orals and my liver values have never been seriously elevated. Kidneys were always fine too.
I agree to get on the Liver Detox. and definately a layoff it helps...

 

[Advisor_x]

get some SAm-e and complex B vitamins both are liver protectors and will help you get your liver values normal again and fast, also cut down on you fat and salt intake, as well as anything that have nitrites (all process food, canned , hot dogs franks, ham , bacon) , and drink lots of water........stay away from soda (dark colored),

 

[KD1]

I think creatine can throw off that test badly because it gets converted into creatanine(sp). They test for that as a sign of kidney problems, and it will show abnormally high just from high creatine intake ( regardless if your kidneys are fine ). So lay off the creatine for a month, and if the kidney values are in range, go back on it you are fine.

Your doctor is not correct that creatine has been shown to actually damage the kidneys, is just throws off the test and he is stupid for not knowing that.

 

[badslinky]

I think creatine can throw off that test badly because it gets converted into creatanine(sp). They test for that as a sign of kidney problems, and it will show abnormally high just from high creatine intake ( regardless if your kidneys are fine ). So lay off the creatine for a month, and if the kidney values are in range, go back on it you are fine.

Your doctor is not correct that creatine has been shown to actually damage the kidneys, is just throws off the test and he is stupid for not knowing that.

This is true, Im guessing he gave you a CPK test which tests for creatine kinase, I believe. I had rhabdmyloysis, and my cpk was as high as 10,500... now thats not good, anything over 6000, according to swatdoc, has a 30% of renal failure. If you take cratine it will jack the cpk test raising red flags. You told your doc that your taking creatine and he didnt say anything, TIME FOR A NEW DOC!

 

[badslinky]

As far as protecting your kidneys, mix 2 tsp of baking soda in water and swig. Keeps the filtrate in your kidneys more basic which aides in preventing blockage, or tubular casts which could be found in urinalysis.

 

[big49ersfan]

bro

1. get off the gear
2. tell you doc your on the gear if this will fuck with you insurance pay for another doctor or something and get him to do it unofficial
3. do not take anything any of the above have staed unless your doctor specifically directs you to do so. you are playing with fire there. come clean if he is saying that you are close ot dialysis bro that is pretty serious and i would liek my doctor to tell me exactlyw hat is houdl be taking not listening to anyone else.