Top level contest prep

[anonymous_999995]

I have seen many questions asked on forums, youtube, ect.. "what kind of cycle does Jay Cutler do?", "what drugs does Phil Heath use?", "What and how much does a pro really use?" Something along those lines. The answers that are given greatly very; some being close, others being way off, and you get the occasional person that claims that the top level competitors are 100% natural. The top level bodybuilders of today use a mix of steroids, growth hormone, insulin, research chemicals, and other peptides to maximize their physical appearance. Every persons cycle and contest prep varies, but I am offering a look into what I recently did for contest prep. I am an NPC Pro, and have had my pro card for 5 years. The day of competition I measured in at 5'8 238 pounds with very minuscule body fat.

First, before I show you my 16 week contest prep, I have a disclaimer. In no way am I recommending this as a proposed cycle for someone or plan for any person. This is for informational purposes only. Also, there is no Post Cycle Therapy. I am on TRT.


HGH, Peptides, Insulin, Research Chemicals:

HGH - 8 iu, 5 days on, 2 days off
Insulin - Humulin R 12 iu post breakfast, Humalog 12 iu post workout, 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
GHRP-6 - 250 mcg post workout, 250 mcg before bed
IGF-1 LR3 - 100 mcg post workout
Clen - 80 mcg daily, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
Caber - .5 mg twice per week
Arimidex**
Nolva**
Letro**
T-3**
Synthol - yes, even your top level bodybuilder utilizes synthol. Injected daily post workout, in muscle worked.

** - doses and time used varies.

Steroids Used:

Testosterone Enanthate and Propionate
Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca)
Boldenone Undecylenate (EQ)
Drostanolone Propionate (Mast)
Trenbolone Acetate (Tren)
Methenolone Enanthate (Primo)
Stanozolol Depot (Winny)
Methandienone (Dbol)
Mesterolone (Proviron)


**Dosages are weekly amounts, injections are EOD**


16 Weeks Out:

1500 mg Test E
800 mg Deca
800 mg EQ
150 mg Dbol daily

25 mcg T-3
.5 mg adex eod


12 Weeks Out:

1500 mg Test E
800 mg Deca
800 mg EQ

25 mcg T-3 ed
.5 mg adex eod


8 Weeks Out:

Test E 1500 mg
EQ 800 mg
Tren 800 mg
Mast 600 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 100 mg/eod
Proviron 50 mg ed

25 mcg T-3 ed
.5 mg adex eod


6 Weeks Out:

Test E 1500 mg
Tren 800 mg
Mast 600 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 100 mg/eod
Proviron 75 mg ed

50 mcg T-3 ed
1 mg adex ed
20 mg Nolva ed


4 Weeks Out:

Test Prop 1200 mg
Tren 800 mg
Mast 800 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 100 mg/eod
Proviron 80 mg ed

40 mcg t-3 ed
1 mg adex ed
1.25 mg Letro ed
20 mg Nolva ed


2 Weeks Out:

Switch to ED inject

Test Prop 1400 mg
Tren 875 mg
Mast 875 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 50 mg ed
Proviron 100 mg ed

1 mg adex ed
2.5 mg Letro
20 mg Nolva

 

[stevesmi]

would like to see your pics man. those are some hefty stats. that would lend credence to your post

 

[anonymous_999995]

I understand that adding photos would add to the legitimacy of my post, so would telling you my name, but I will have to respectfully decline your proposal. I chose the name anonymous_999995 for a reason. While you know, I know, and many others know that steroids and other performing enhancing drugs are used in the sport of bodybuilding, it is still not an openly discussed subject. Because of this, I prefer not to have any form of evidence that could be traced to my actual identity. I have no reason to lie. You can believe me if you choose, or you can believe that I am making this up. I am willing to offer my advice and explanations and will attempt to answer any questions that people may have. My only motive is to provide information.

 

[stevesmi]

I am about your height and I'm about 204 give or take so I am just curious what someone with our frame would like like at 235.. has nothing to do with if you are lying or not. just edit out your face man.. i'm hoping in another 5 or 6 years to be your size as well. but i run very low doses and spend most of the year natty so i doubt i will get to that size but it would be cool to atleast shoot for it

 

[Idobehigh]

This is interesting, however I believe no matter how much gear some one runs they can't beat genetics. My only question is and it may be some what obvious but is almost every pro bb on trt? If so why don't they address it I mean them being on trt is legal... Also do other pros like for example jay cutler and Phil Heath exchange cycles, like do they let each other know what they are running? Probably not... Lol

 

[RickRock13]

I can't imagine running 150mg Dbol per day. I'm sure your liver values are severely fucked.

Thanks for sharing your information though. Very informative

 

[RickRock13]

This is interesting, however I believe no matter how much gear some one runs they can't beat genetics. My only question is and it may be some what obvious but is almost every pro bb on trt? If so why don't they address it I mean them being on trt is legal... Also do other pros like for example jay cutler and Phil Heath exchange cycles, like do they let each other know what they are running? Probably not... Lol

Every pro stays on, I guarantee that. None of them are going to admit being on TRT. For one, their cruising doses are probably higher than most people blast with....not exactly "normal" TRT doses.

 

[jondale123]

thats alot of drugs I could not imagine taking that much and I am pretty good size

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm not sure what you;re even asking,With that much stuff there's not much to comment on. It's going to work. But I agree with Rock -- 150 mgs of d-bol a day is crazy.

 

[stevesmi]

not just the lipid strain but the cost of such a thing. the GH alone at 8iu's a day lol.. good gosh where do some guys get the money to blow on this shit i have no idea. must be nice to have a trust fund i guess .. me I work too hard for my money

 

[ledhead]

Every pro stays on, I guarantee that. None of them are going to admit being on TRT. For one, their cruising doses are probably higher than most people blast with....not exactly "normal" TRT doses.

You are right without a doubt. I remember years ago I met Dennis Newman right after he won the Nationals. I talked to him for about 10 minutes at least, and he was open about steroid use. He asserted himself without hesitating. He said, "take whatever you can get your hands on and put it in your body; and take as much as you can stand and never get off."

 

[Nelson Montana]

You are right without a doubt. I remember years ago I met Dennis Newman right after he won the Nationals. I talked to him for about 10 minutes at least, and he was open about steroid use. He asserted himself without hesitating. He said, "take whatever you can get your hands on and put it in your body; and take as much as you can stand and never get off."

And Dennis Newman had problems.

Keep in mind, the pros may take a lot of juice but that;s not what made them pros. I've interviewed dozens of pros and spoke personally to many more and they almost all say that anything over a gram just gives a teeny advantage but they'll take it to get that advantage over the next guy. But those guys would look ten times better than any of us on 500 mgs of test than we would on 5000 mgs. They have the genetics for muscle and the receptor acceptance (think Dorian) and you can't compensate for that with just higher dosages.

 

[UA_Iron]

You didn't say how you were running insulin throughout your cycle. Pros will stop it 3+ months precomp. It's an off season drug.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Slin is for sheer mass at any cost. And the cost is often high.

 

[itsonnow]

I wish I had the money to experiment like this.

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[ledhead]

And Dennis Newman had problems.

He ended-up with leukemia to be exact. What is your point? Or what is your angle, perhaps that is more appropriate?

Keep in mind, the pros may take a lot of juice but that;s not what made them pros. I've interviewed dozens of pros and spoke personally to many more and they almost all say that anything over a gram just gives a teeny advantage but they'll take it to get that advantage over the next guy. But those guys would look ten times better than any of us on 500 mgs of test than we would on 5000 mgs. They have the genetics for muscle and the receptor acceptance (think Dorian) and you can't compensate for that with just higher dosages.

Keep in mind, I stated it numerous times on here it is "genetics" not "roids" that make a pro. Check the, "To be Pro, Genetics or juice" thread. I'm quite sure all the pros you interviewed were brutally honest. I know how steroid receptors and muscle capacity works. I don't need you to point me in Yate's direction; I mentioned him already in that thread, "To be Pro, genetics or juice." You are just a tad too late...

I never once said or insinuated that large amounts of gear make a person a pro bodybuilder. I was just simply agreeing with Rick that pros take large amounts of gear and I used Newman as a reference. Is that alright with you? If not, I really don't care!

 

[Peterlumberjack]

I have seen many questions asked on forums, youtube, ect.. "what kind of cycle does Jay Cutler do?", "what drugs does Phil Heath use?", "What and how much does a pro really use?" Something along those lines. The answers that are given greatly very; some being close, others being way off, and you get the occasional person that claims that the top level competitors are 100% natural. The top level bodybuilders of today use a mix of steroids, growth hormone, insulin, research chemicals, and other peptides to maximize their physical appearance. Every persons cycle and contest prep varies, but I am offering a look into what I recently did for contest prep. I am an NPC Pro, and have had my pro card for 5 years. The day of competition I measured in at 5'8 238 pounds with very minuscule body fat.

First, before I show you my 16 week contest prep, I have a disclaimer. In no way am I recommending this as a proposed cycle for someone or plan for any person. This is for informational purposes only. Also, there is no Post Cycle Therapy. I am on TRT.


HGH, Peptides, Insulin, Research Chemicals:

HGH - 8 iu, 5 days on, 2 days off
Insulin - Humulin R 12 iu post breakfast, Humalog 12 iu post workout, 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
GHRP-6 - 250 mcg post workout, 250 mcg before bed
IGF-1 LR3 - 100 mcg post workout
Clen - 80 mcg daily, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
Caber - .5 mg twice per week
Arimidex**
Nolva**
Letro**
T-3**
Synthol - yes, even your top level bodybuilder utilizes synthol. Injected daily post workout, in muscle worked.

** - doses and time used varies.

Steroids Used:

Testosterone Enanthate and Propionate
Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca)
Boldenone Undecylenate (EQ)
Drostanolone Propionate (Mast)
Trenbolone Acetate (Tren)
Methenolone Enanthate (Primo)
Stanozolol Depot (Winny)
Methandienone (Dbol)
Mesterolone (Proviron)


**Dosages are weekly amounts, injections are EOD**


16 Weeks Out:

1500 mg Test E
800 mg Deca
800 mg EQ
150 mg Dbol daily

25 mcg T-3
.5 mg adex eod


12 Weeks Out:

1500 mg Test E
800 mg Deca
800 mg EQ

25 mcg T-3 ed
.5 mg adex eod


8 Weeks Out:

Test E 1500 mg
EQ 800 mg
Tren 800 mg
Mast 600 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 100 mg/eod
Proviron 50 mg ed

25 mcg T-3 ed
.5 mg adex eod


6 Weeks Out:

Test E 1500 mg
Tren 800 mg
Mast 600 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 100 mg/eod
Proviron 75 mg ed

50 mcg T-3 ed
1 mg adex ed
20 mg Nolva ed


4 Weeks Out:

Test Prop 1200 mg
Tren 800 mg
Mast 800 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 100 mg/eod
Proviron 80 mg ed

40 mcg t-3 ed
1 mg adex ed
1.25 mg Letro ed
20 mg Nolva ed


2 Weeks Out:

Switch to ED inject

Test Prop 1400 mg
Tren 875 mg
Mast 875 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 50 mg ed
Proviron 100 mg ed

1 mg adex ed
2.5 mg Letro
20 mg Nolva

Thank you for your information and openness.

 

[stevesmi]

i plan on running this exact same cycle when i hit the lottery. in other words there is about a 1 in 10M chance i will ever run it, so pretty much its never gonna happen lol

 

[Jbranken]

Very cool post. Honestly, if be afraid to ever do 1/10th of that amount of drugs.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Keep in mind, I stated it numerous times on here it is "genetics" not "roids" that make a pro. Check the, "To be Pro, Genetics or juice" thread. I'm quite sure all the pros you interviewed were brutally honest. I know how steroid receptors and muscle capacity works. I don't need you to point me in Yate's direction; I mentioned him already in that thread, "To be Pro, genetics or juice." You are just a tad too late...

I never once said or insinuated that large amounts of gear make a person a pro bodybuilder. I was just simply agreeing with Rick that pros take large amounts of gear and I used Newman as a reference. Is that alright with you? If not, I really don't care!

My response wasn't meant to correct you, it was a general statement to the board. No need for the tude.

 

[Alphacore200]

i plan on running this exact same cycle when i hit the lottery. in other words there is about a 1 in 10M chance i will ever run it, so pretty much its never gonna happen lol

Hey Steve I'm being prepped buy a nationals winner right now and he told me was spending 30-50,000 on product. Of course I asked where the fuck u get that cash he said "gay photo shoots & on stage appearances at gay clubs posing and shaking ur ass" he got 3000+ a night he said quote "you get it how u can get it"

 

[Toogood]

I have seen many questions asked on forums, youtube, ect.. "what kind of cycle does Jay Cutler do?", "what drugs does Phil Heath use?", "What and how much does a pro really use?" Something along those lines. The answers that are given greatly very; some being close, others being way off, and you get the occasional person that claims that the top level competitors are 100% natural. The top level bodybuilders of today use a mix of steroids, growth hormone, insulin, research chemicals, and other peptides to maximize their physical appearance. Every persons cycle and contest prep varies, but I am offering a look into what I recently did for contest prep. I am an NPC Pro, and have had my pro card for 5 years. The day of competition I measured in at 5'8 238 pounds with very minuscule body fat.

First, before I show you my 16 week contest prep, I have a disclaimer. In no way am I recommending this as a proposed cycle for someone or plan for any person. This is for informational purposes only. Also, there is no Post Cycle Therapy. I am on TRT.


HGH, Peptides, Insulin, Research Chemicals:

HGH - 8 iu, 5 days on, 2 days off
Insulin - Humulin R 12 iu post breakfast, Humalog 12 iu post workout, 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
GHRP-6 - 250 mcg post workout, 250 mcg before bed
IGF-1 LR3 - 100 mcg post workout
Clen - 80 mcg daily, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
Caber - .5 mg twice per week
Arimidex**
Nolva**
Letro**
T-3**
Synthol - yes, even your top level bodybuilder utilizes synthol. Injected daily post workout, in muscle worked.

** - doses and time used varies.

Steroids Used:

Testosterone Enanthate and Propionate
Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca)
Boldenone Undecylenate (EQ)
Drostanolone Propionate (Mast)
Trenbolone Acetate (Tren)
Methenolone Enanthate (Primo)
Stanozolol Depot (Winny)
Methandienone (Dbol)
Mesterolone (Proviron)


**Dosages are weekly amounts, injections are EOD**


16 Weeks Out:

1500 mg Test E
800 mg Deca
800 mg EQ
150 mg Dbol daily

25 mcg T-3
.5 mg adex eod


12 Weeks Out:

1500 mg Test E
800 mg Deca
800 mg EQ

25 mcg T-3 ed
.5 mg adex eod


8 Weeks Out:

Test E 1500 mg
EQ 800 mg
Tren 800 mg
Mast 600 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 100 mg/eod
Proviron 50 mg ed

25 mcg T-3 ed
.5 mg adex eod


6 Weeks Out:

Test E 1500 mg
Tren 800 mg
Mast 600 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 100 mg/eod
Proviron 75 mg ed

50 mcg T-3 ed
1 mg adex ed
20 mg Nolva ed


4 Weeks Out:

Test Prop 1200 mg
Tren 800 mg
Mast 800 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 100 mg/eod
Proviron 80 mg ed

40 mcg t-3 ed
1 mg adex ed
1.25 mg Letro ed
20 mg Nolva ed


2 Weeks Out:

Switch to ED inject

Test Prop 1400 mg
Tren 875 mg
Mast 875 mg
Primo 400 mg
Winny Depot 50 mg ed
Proviron 100 mg ed

1 mg adex ed
2.5 mg Letro
20 mg Nolva

This is very interesting and I am glad you posted this. A few questions for informational purposes.

1) what was your cycles like BEFORE you hit pro status?
2) Have you not thought about the long term ramifications of using such compounds? What are those ramifications?
3) and the last question is why do all this? Are all these compounds necessary?

 

[anonymous_999995]

The majority of top level competitors are on TRT, but not everyone. TRT is meant to restore hormone levels to normal. 1500 mg a week, or whatever dose is chosen is not a TRT dose and can be viewed as abusing your prescription. Also, I do not have a script for deca, mast, winny, or proviron, and tren and eq are not intended for human use. Having and using those drugs are still illegal.

150 mg a dbol is a large dose, and I would not consider it safe by any means. No amount of natural supplements will make it that way. I am not a huge fan of orals because of the toxicity and will only run a short course of an oral once per year.

As for TRT and cruising doses. My script is for 200 mg of Test Cyp every other week. I personally do not agree with that protocol but who am I to argue with a doctor. At that dose it will be near to impossible to maintain the mass I have. Because of this, the dosages are upped. I run 200 mg twice per week with .5 mg of arimidex.

The cost of everything is high. When I first started to be competitive I had no idea how I was going to be able to continue because of the cost of everything. I had a good stable job, by no means did I have that kind of extra money just laying around. Everything changed for me when I was approached by a sponsor. Basically, I was offered a great deal of money to simply endorse products and make appearances. Tell people that if you take this, you will get huge like me ect.

Sorry that I was not specific with the use of slin, I stopped using it when I dropped the deca and added in the DHT compounds. Slin can cause quite a good amount of bloating so I don't think it is ideal to be on while on stage. But, it also helps with fullness so not everyone will come off of it. You can tell who is still on it by the infamous "hgh gut" some guys have.

 

[bonacris]

Interesting read.. how strict is a pro bbers diet though

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[stevesmi]

Hey Steve I'm being prepped buy a nationals winner right now and he told me was spending 30-50,000 on product. Of course I asked where the fuck u get that cash he said "gay photo shoots & on stage appearances at gay clubs posing and shaking ur ass" he got 3000+ a night he said quote "you get it how u can get it"

3K a night bro sign me up. especially if its cash.

 

[Idobehigh]

3K a night bro sign me up. especially if its cash.

Lmao, there's a bunch of gay4pay websites out there you can just beat your meat on camera and gay dudes will pay you. I guess you just have to be secure in your own body lol

 

[stevesmi]

Lmao, there's a bunch of gay4pay websites out there you can just beat your meat on camera and gay dudes will pay you. I guess you just have to be secure in your own body lol

i would have to hit the gutter and be in desperate need of cash to resort to something like that. lol.

 

[Idobehigh]

Lol I hear you on that, my friend did that stuff he was always questionable on his sexuality but I don't give a shit if someone is gay but damm it he always had so much money lmao he told me he would make thousand a night just "performing" on webcam lol

 

[RickRock13]

The majority of top level competitors are on TRT, but not everyone. TRT is meant to restore hormone levels to normal. 1500 mg a week, or whatever dose is chosen is not a TRT dose and can be viewed as abusing your prescription. Also, I do not have a script for deca, mast, winny, or proviron, and tren and eq are not intended for human use. Having and using those drugs are still illegal.

150 mg a dbol is a large dose, and I would not consider it safe by any means. No amount of natural supplements will make it that way. I am not a huge fan of orals because of the toxicity and will only run a short course of an oral once per year.

As for TRT and cruising doses. My script is for 200 mg of Test Cyp every other week. I personally do not agree with that protocol but who am I to argue with a doctor. At that dose it will be near to impossible to maintain the mass I have. Because of this, the dosages are upped. I run 200 mg twice per week with .5 mg of arimidex.

The cost of everything is high. When I first started to be competitive I had no idea how I was going to be able to continue because of the cost of everything. I had a good stable job, by no means did I have that kind of extra money just laying around. Everything changed for me when I was approached by a sponsor. Basically, I was offered a great deal of money to simply endorse products and make appearances. Tell people that if you take this, you will get huge like me ect.

Sorry that I was not specific with the use of slin, I stopped using it when I dropped the deca and added in the DHT compounds. Slin can cause quite a good amount of bloating so I don't think it is ideal to be on while on stage. But, it also helps with fullness so not everyone will come off of it. You can tell who is still on it by the infamous "hgh gut" some guys have.

While we are probably in agreement that some top levels pros are on a script for TRT, and some aren't....ALL of them are on all the time, and NONE of the guys are cruising on normal TRT doses. If they were at doses that put them in normal range, they would lose muscle mass very quickly. When you are that much past your genetic potential, it takes super physiological levels of hormones just to maintain that much muscle mass.

 

[muscleaddiction]

Has anyone here seen this yet???

Untold truth epidose #3 - YouTube

Check it out if not...crazy and eye opening...and I am not saying I am agreeing with it at all, but this guy was completely open to it to make a video about it and what he did to win a local competition last month. I will never understand the use of Synthol...EVER!!!

Enjoy!!!

BTW...I believe this kid is 21 years old.

 

[joeblow12345]

Lmao, there's a bunch of gay4pay websites out there you can just beat your meat on camera and gay dudes will pay you. I guess you just have to be secure in your own body lol

I guess that's a little better then some of the stories I've heard of bb letting random dudes go in bathroom stales and beat off to them or worse. I don't give a shit how much you love a sport there is no way I'm doing gay for pay. No amount of money is worth losing my man hood. I wouldn't be able to ever look at myself in the mirror again.

 

[Idobehigh]

Lol yeah personally I couldn't do it either and I never heard of going in a bathroom stall and have them jack off lmao that's some funny shit tho

 

[joeblow12345]

Lol yeah personally I couldn't do it either and I never heard of going in a bathroom stall and have them jack off lmao that's some funny shit tho

I forget what the dudes name was but he used to let dudes beat off to him or blow him for juice money lol but wasn't gay lol. I've heard there were more that did this back before the Internet was huge as well.

 

[bonacris]

The whole Kia Greene grapefruit video is proof this shit happens regularly

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[Jbranken]

I wonder if the OP saw the thread taking this direction when he posted LOL

 

[NegroPops]

I just googled "Kai Greene and Grapefruit"

Thanks for ruining my day.

 

[stevesmi]

hey its part of the game.. a lot of bodybuilders are gay actually. its a myth that gays are all feminine or have low T etc. a lot of the most muscular guys at your gym and strongest are gay. i would say 20% or more.

 

[Jack steel]

i plan on running this exact same cycle when i hit the lottery. in other words there is about a 1 in 10M chance i will ever run it, so pretty much its never gonna happen lol

On my way to grab a few tickets

 

[Idobehigh]

I just googled "Kai Greene and Grapefruit"

Thanks for ruining my day.

I can't believe you have never seen that video lmao they have a gif you can upload on forums of it lol

 

[robph]

good info bro thanks for sharing, good luck on the next competition

 

[RickRock13]

First time I've seen that Kai video too....WOW

 

[super-duty1]

First time I've seen that Kai video too....WOW

I was told by another pro bb that he has done a lot of solo porn and sold it. It just seems to end up on gay sights the most. He gets paid for the video and then for the hits on it. I heard it was pretty good amount of money..... More power to him I guess lol. I guess in girl bb are doing it he might as well do it to..

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[ledhead]

The majority of top level competitors are on TRT, but not everyone. TRT is meant to restore hormone levels to normal. 1500 mg a week, or whatever dose is chosen is not a TRT dose and can be viewed as abusing your prescription. Also, I do not have a script for deca, mast, winny, or proviron, and tren and eq are not intended for human use. Having and using those drugs are still illegal.

150 mg a dbol is a large dose, and I would not consider it safe by any means. No amount of natural supplements will make it that way. I am not a huge fan of orals because of the toxicity and will only run a short course of an oral once per year.

As for TRT and cruising doses. My script is for 200 mg of Test Cyp every other week. I personally do not agree with that protocol but who am I to argue with a doctor. At that dose it will be near to impossible to maintain the mass I have. Because of this, the dosages are upped. I run 200 mg twice per week with .5 mg of arimidex.

The cost of everything is high. When I first started to be competitive I had no idea how I was going to be able to continue because of the cost of everything. I had a good stable job, by no means did I have that kind of extra money just laying around. Everything changed for me when I was approached by a sponsor. Basically, I was offered a great deal of money to simply endorse products and make appearances. Tell people that if you take this, you will get huge like me ect.

Sorry that I was not specific with the use of slin, I stopped using it when I dropped the deca and added in the DHT compounds. Slin can cause quite a good amount of bloating so I don't think it is ideal to be on while on stage. But, it also helps with fullness so not everyone will come off of it. You can tell who is still on it by the infamous "hgh gut" some guys have.

I do believe the pros use slin right up until their contest. I don't believe bloating is ever a concern for them considering they shoot-up large amounts of Lasix.

Do you care to expound about Lasix???

 

[muscleaddiction]

I do believe the pros use slin right up until their contest. I don't believe bloating is ever a concern for them considering they shoot-up large amounts of Lasix.

Do you care to expound about Lasix???

Please do!

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[ledhead]

Please do!

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Lol. I'm waiting for this dude to explain. I'm not a pro; he's claiming he's one. However, he left out one of the main elements the pros use, which is Lasix. Where did he go??

 

[stevesmi]

yeah lasix is dirt cheap but i am scared shitless to mess with it.