Top Chinese General warns U.S. over attack.

[Lumberg]

no, i dont do it because i cant be arsed. its hardly beyond my intellect. really.

that's probably the worst self-indictment of one's character I've ever seen.

You like to start things, but not finish them.

ignore this bastard.

 

[CENTURION44]

Believe me when I tell you this. If a conflict over Taiwan erupts, China's nukes are the going to be the first casuality, even if we have to use nuclear armed cruise missiles to do it. Not a pleasent thought, a war with China.

Zig

I hope that statement is correct....i hope we are well prepared for a flock of nukes coming our way...from what i understand of our nuclear munition...by the time they knew it was coming..it would be too late...

 

[patsfan1379]

Unless China somehow gets an air force, gets aircaft carriers or builds submarines anytime soon they can continue to cart me around Manhattan in a rickshaw.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

You and your generalizations. I suppose you think English can't cook and have bad teeth, Frenchmen are stuck up, Germans are all engineers, and Greek guys smell bad and take it up the ass (well, I guess you do know the last one by personal experience).

yeah sure, i know some greek guys who are gay, though your insinuation that i might be one of them is quite funny

would you be so bold as to lend me your girlfriend, or sister (or both ) redguru? (so long as theyre up to standards of course....though i wont hold my breath...pun intended )

anyhow i dont care taht youre offended by my generalisations...youre the one in the bubble, it isnt your place to see yourself from the outside, and hence, your opinion is moot.

The average death rate for US Soldiers in Iraq is cyclical, and is actually lower than the daily deathrate per 100,000 soldiers as compiled by the pentagon over the last 20 years.
PDF Chart Of Active Duty Deaths from 1980-2004

interesting.

and how would you deal with the interesting fact that battlefield first aid and medical advances are what has truly stemmed the death rate, pushing what would previously have been fatalities into lifelong maimings. the ratio of dead soldiers to injured soldiers (mainly amputees) has gone from 4:1 as per vietnam to 11:1 in iraq.

seems to throw a bit of a spanner in the works of your trendy little graph

The average length of post-war insurgency during the 20th Century was nine years, not two. Why should we care about mounting international condemnations from the French? Lets not go into French military history, it isn't pretty.

firstly, i would assert that you are facing not an insurgency, but a resistance, since an insurgency happens when a legitimate government has been established and there are elements within the country that rise up after that event and fight to change the status quo.

in the case of iraq, the iraqis are actually fighting off an opressor (the US) and so really, should be called a resistence, rendering your statement, again, moot (you have to love that )

furthermore, in the case of using the shortcomings of the french to justify your own immoral, unethical behaviour, please, could you do us all a favour and back off using comparitive morality with an 18th century (and previous) superpower, which was, to boot, an era in which barbarism was tolerated to a far greater degree than today. in that vein, why not dismiss greek opposition to the war on the premise that the greeks routinely exterminated entire turkish cities, what, a mere....2000 years ago

Battle is a flowing situation, you don't give up because someone throws an unknown tactic at you. You adapt to the tactics. The insurgency is in decline, if you notice the insurgency is mostly targeting the indigenous people not the troops. Also, there is an intense rivalry between the Ba'athists and the foreign insurgents that has touched off into an insurgent civil war.

hey buddy, why not have a read on guerilla warfare and the underlying battle philosophy. the US is bleeding to death in iraq. your international image is suffering. your economy is suffering. your public is crying out. you cant keep it up. i hate to break it to you, bud, but ala russian afghanistan...youre losing if you arent winning...and you arent winning

dont you hate it when reality lines your gonads up and gives them a good booting?

bunch of mofos. you think that i forgot about this thread, didntcha?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

as thorough of an owning as i have ever seen...goldenshower never misses a chance to put down the usa...his insults towards Bush are merely thinly veiled insults at the American people. Golden when and if you visit America I guarantee you will eat a large slice of humble pie...

i dont veil my insults at all, gambino i say it like i see it, and really, i dont give a shit

(in case you hadnt noticed )

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Only someone as ignorant and blinded by their political leanings as you would think that we are "losing" in Iraq.

Just how are you judging this? Body Count? Reforms? Opinion of Iraqi citizens?

Those seem like the 3 major ones, and I dont see how anyone in their right mind could think we are "losing" on any of them.

because you are fighting a guerilla war with a conventional army, against an enemy who is indistinguishable from the general population, using tactics that help create more enemy combatants, with a finite supply of public goodwill, money, and personell...all of which are running low...and as a certain south american guy pointed out, all the enemy has to do in a guerilla war is not lose, and they win, while their opponent bleeds to death before pressure on the home front instigates withdrawal.

like i said in my previous post, if you arent winning against the guerillas (and you arent) then youre losing. and you arent winning.

now, as for body count - that irrelevent, since the number of enemy keeps growing, while you are having recruitment problems at home. so, your enemy is in no way finite, while your troops are, meaning that a body count, even if it were relevent, pertains only to you, and in that case, makes it clear taht your 2.1 average per day death rate in iraq for US soldiers is pushing you towards defeat.

then, in regards to 'reform' ....LOL, given that civil war has already begun, and will escalate hugely - you do, after all have the kurds finally having hit critical mass and rising up against non kurdish iraqis, and the remaining 2 groups are at war since the vastly more numerous of them was opressed by the lesser...meaning that there is a lot of pent up rage that is going to flash as soon as a power vaccuum emerges. so your 'reforms' mean nothing, as the country is going to fall to pieces sooner or late, 'reforemed' or no, amking way for an entirely new iraq (hell, you cant even come up with an iraqi constitution)

and in terms of opinions of iraqi citizens...lol well, 1 suicide bomber a day is rather indicative of some serious displeasure, dont you think? hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

LOL, you just hate the US thats all hahaha! Plus I made you write a lengthy response which was funny, I have total control over you!! I have studied this stuff for years and met with many people and discussed it personally with them. I had a personal tour with a friend who was highly placed in the FBI and which I posted about a coupla years ago, Ive been in the FBI warroom for 9-11, stood at the podium with the FBI seal on where they gave press conferences. Seen the inner workings and the computer systems, the wiretap systems, all of that. Discussed the patriot act with the lead counsel for the FBI where I wont disclose where and he was my neighbor and we watched football games together. When I was at the headquarters I met the consulate general from Japan, the head of the FBI region as we met in the elevator and continued talking as we toured the facility. I know alot more than I let on or could let on. Its a fascinating system setup, your jaw would drop on the floor if youve been to where Ive been lolol. I have faith in the US b/c Ive seen with my own eyes and ears what men and women dedicate their lives in preserving, willing to die for freedom and have, talked about people he knew that died in Oklahoma city, talked about the nations most notorious, discussed terrorism and plans and pitfalls and issues that are trying to be addressed. Its a mad mad mad world.
Ill explain it some time to you when we grab a beer when I come to Australia soon, although I dont know why anyone would live in the Northern territory, Id like to hear a logical explanation of that as well

i know tha tyou were pressing buttons. i just like to argue

and im in the territory because im a mans man (not in that way, you bastard ) and im tuff, ya know (actually, i missed my family lol)

 

[GoldenDelicious]

that's probably the worst self-indictment of one's character I've ever seen.

You like to start things, but not finish them.

ignore this bastard.

given that it was written during a huuuuuuge, boozy, dancy, woman filled weekend, it was a rather good indictment of character i think it meant, i hd other, more pleasant things to do

ill get round to it, just like i got round to this thread, alright, mate

 

[redguru]

anyhow i dont care taht youre offended by my generalisations...youre the one in the bubble, it isnt your place to see yourself from the outside, and hence, your opinion is moot.
interesting.

and how would you deal with the interesting fact that battlefield first aid and medical advances are what has truly stemmed the death rate, pushing what would previously have been fatalities into lifelong maimings. the ratio of dead soldiers to injured soldiers (mainly amputees) has gone from 4:1 as per vietnam to 11:1 in iraq.

seems to throw a bit of a spanner in the works of your trendy little graph

Not really since my graph includes accidental death and death by natural causes, and the non-war years are still higher death ratios per capita. Also, isn't it interesting how I cite all statistical information and historical data but you always seem to provide anecdotal evidence?

firstly, i would assert that you are facing not an insurgency, but a resistance, since an insurgency happens when a legitimate government has been established and there are elements within the country that rise up after that event and fight to change the status quo.

in the case of iraq, the iraqis are actually fighting off an opressor (the US) and so really, should be called a resistence, rendering your statement, again, moot (you have to love that )

So now the elected government of Iraq is an oppressor? Is this because the Sunnis elected to not participate in the election? As I said before, the insurgents and foreign terrorists that are carrying out these attacks are more frequently targeting indiginous people than coalition forces. In fact, Iraqi neighborhoods are forming militias to stave off these attacks.

From CNN/Reuters

It's better to have our own militias because we can recognize every stranger who comes into our neighborhood and the police can't," said Sattar Hashim in New Baghdad, a district where a bomb blast last week killed nearly two dozen children.
Hashim said local men guarding the area at the funerals of those killed in the blast detained a Libyan man strapped with explosives who was aiming to attack the ceremonies.
Neighbors supported the informal security.
"When they blocked this road, less people came to my shop and sales went down, but I don't mind as long as we're all safer," said Sheikh Mohammed, the owner of a herbal pharmacy on a street blocked off by water pipes, gates and palm tree trunks.​

furthermore, in the case of using the shortcomings of the french to justify your own immoral, unethical behaviour, please, could you do us all a favour and back off using comparitive morality with an 18th century (and previous) superpower, which was, to boot, an era in which barbarism was tolerated to a far greater degree than today. in that vein, why not dismiss greek opposition to the war on the premise that the greeks routinely exterminated entire turkish cities, what, a mere....2000 years ago

You missed the boat on my French statement, I wasn't dissing thier imperialism, I was making fun of their abyssmal war record. Sorry you missed it, I'll footnote stuff like that next time so you don't feel left out.

hey buddy, why not have a read on guerilla warfare and the underlying battle philosophy. the US is bleeding to death in iraq. your international image is suffering. your economy is suffering. your public is crying out. you cant keep it up. i hate to break it to you, bud, but ala russian afghanistan...youre losing if you arent winning...and you arent winning

I think we know a little about geurilla warfare. We used it fairly effectively in the American Revolution. The US is not bleeding to death in Iraq. Wishing something so does not make it so. If you really think so, click your heels and and recite three times "There's no place like home". It'll get you farther in the long run.

Since a vast majority of the people in Iraq want to make this government work, and in fact, even the Sunni clerics are advocating voting in upcoming elections, your point of a growing insurgency is not valid.

USA Today/Christian Science Monitor

Except for the Sunni insurgent fringe, every faction appears eager to move forward to the constitutional referendum and the next elections. For many Sunnis, the elections appear to hold greater importance, as an opportunity to achieve genuine representation at a national level.

The General Conference of Sunnis, a loose-knit group of clerics and politicians, urged Iraq's Sunnis to register to vote to claim their rightful share in decisionmaking. Sunnis — the sect that held sway before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 — have been hindered, unlike the Kurds and Shiites, by their inability to agree among themselves on major national issues. Shiite parties, in contrast, are reaching out to their supporters for input on constitutional issues. More than 1,000 Shiite women recently gathered to discuss the role they want in the future Iraq. ​

Why are you putting up an Iraq War strawman in a thread about China? Why do you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about the US? Why do you denigrate the other poster instead of refuting their argument?

 

[Lumberg]

and how would you deal with the interesting fact that battlefield first aid and medical advances are what has truly stemmed the death rate, pushing what would previously have been fatalities into lifelong maimings. the ratio of dead soldiers to injured soldiers (mainly amputees) has gone from 4:1 as per vietnam to 11:1 in iraq.

Well, if I were redguru, I would start by pointing out that my nice little graph starts in 1980, not 1967, and that you're a stupid butthole for trying to bring Vietnam-era statistics to bear on a piece of evidence that starts in 1980.

But that's just me.