Tips for Hard Gainers?

[dabuffguy]

You kids make me laugh this arguement has been going on for prolly a month or more now with dj he will never think another way so why waste time on this?

I think it all started in the protein is necessary thread.

well at least your posts will get huge argueing all day long.

I backed DJ up in that thread. He was right, and that other kid was wrong. ( I assume he was a kid cuz he semed like a younger, less knowledgable person.)

In this case, to claim that a curl is a waste of time is incorrect. I don't care if a curl only contributed to .000001% of the growth of the muscle when added to compound excercises, I don't see that as a waste of time. Any gain is beneficial, and worth the time no matter how minimal.

It's like saying lifting weights without steroids is stupid because roids make you huge, and doing it natty takes forever. A similar concept, in theory making sense, but in the real world is just wrong.

 

[silverskyline]

And another thing, BF%, amount of water retention and just plain old hydration can also play a role in the variable as to how an arm measures, thus adding more variables to the measurement of actual muscle growth if you go by the tape measure method. Another thing this study probably didn't take into account.

and the fact that every person in that study was in a different stage of physical fitness, which also contributes to how much a muscle grows, therefore making an average gain within the group fluctuate by a good amount. A noob can put an inch on his arm in 6 weeks, i know this to be possible. a vet would only put on, let say, 1/8 inch as an example because they would gain slower, in 6 weeks. Even if a vet did deads, and all the good compound excercises, and the noob did just curls, the noob is going to show much greater improvement in overall size gained.

1 POINT - Even if a vet did deads, and all the good compound excercises, and the noob did just curls, the noob is going to show much greater improvement in overall size gained.

 

[dabuffguy]

1 POINT - Even if a vet did deads, and all the good compound excercises, and the noob did just curls, the noob is going to show much greater improvement in overall size gained.

LOl, are you the referee?

 

[dabuffguy]

This is how Jay Cutler Got big arms. Not curls

If doing curls all day got you big arms, you'd see skinny twig people waling around with 30" arms. All the misinformed people that waste their time doing 30 sets of curls would have huge arms. But they don't.

No matter how many sets of curls you do you're simply wasting your time, your arms will not grow unless you do compound movements that stress the entire body like Deads.

Whihc is what the scientific study I posted eariler showed us.

Keep doing those curls, do 30, 40 sets every day with minimal results, by all means, lol

The bottom line is that muscle growth is a systemic issue, not a localized one. If you put a stress on the forearm only, of course it would grow, but that growth would be limited because the systemic load is small. If you did deadlifts, on the other hand, the systemic load would be so big, everything would grow.

Anyone else seeing a contradiction here?


Also, in response to the post where DJ showed Jay Cutler doing a deadlift.
Does that mean that the video I posted where he did a full routine of biceps curls is wrong? Are you saying his full bicep curl routine is a waste of time?

Oh, yeah and in response the the sarcoplasmic mass vs the other , which is temporary, or a pump. BBers only use this before going on stage. In the video I posted where Jay is doing a full bicep curl routine, I didn't get the slightest impression that he about to go on a stage and pose, did you?

 

[silverskyline]

Anyone else seeing a contradiction here?


Also, in response to the post where DJ showed Jay Cutler doing a deadlift.
Does that mean that the video I posted where he did a full routine of biceps curls is wrong? Are you saying his full bicep curl routine is a waste of time?

Oh, yeah and in response the the sarcoplasmic mass vs the other , which is temporary, or a pump. BBers only use this before going on stage. In the video I posted where Jay is doing a full bicep curl routine, I didn't get the slightest impression that he about to go on a stage and pose, did you?

Not at all I was supprised at your wall backing ability lol.

I've been over this a hundred time with him he's a good guy it seems just has a head strong oppinion of his method being the only method it seems.

I stick with isolation when I'm cutting I do more of a total body work out but not when bulking it works for me

 

[dabuffguy]

Not at all I was supprised at your wall backing ability lol.

I've been over this a hundred time with him he's a good guy it seems just has a head strong oppinion of his method being the only method it seems.

I stick with isolation when I'm cutting I do more of a total body work out but not when bulking it works for me

def. a good bro. And obviously his opinions are very strong. I usually don't like to sit and argue a point, but this one seemed to play the right chord and activate my argumentative side.

I just see it differently than he. I don't think it's right telling everyone a curl or an extension is a total waste of time when the biggest and strongest guys all do them. He'll say they got big from doing deads etc. I have been clear that I agree with that, but a curl is not 100% unproductive like he's playing it out to be.

The moment Jay or Ronnie comes out and says that they regret doing curls and extensions and wish they had that time back in their lives because it was wasted, I'll happily give DJeclipse 250,000 Karma.



What do you mean by not at all? You don't see the contradiciton?

In one post he says an arm absolutely will not grow unless you do compound excercises, and then in a quote he tried to use for his support said that stimulating just a forearm will make it grow, even without a compound excersize. That's is a contradiction.

Wall backing ability? Didn't understand what you meant.

 

[silverskyline]

hahaha nice happily give 250,000 K once the head honchos say so. I'll donate to that fund!

wall backing ability, basically pin pointing words and phrases utalized in order to back your opponent into a corner like in boxing. so he's trapped and cant get out

def. a good bro. And obviously his opinions are very strong. I usually don't like to sit and argue a point, but this one seemed to play the right chord and activate my argumentative side.

I just see it differently than he. I don't think it's right telling everyone a curl or an extension is a total waste of time when the biggest and strongest guys all do them. He'll say they got big from doing deads etc. I have been clear that I agree with that, but a curl is not 100% unproductive like he's playing it out to be.

The moment Jay or Ronnie comes out and says that they regret doing curls and extensions and wish they had that time back in their lives because it was wasted, I'll happily give DJeclipse 250,000 Karma.



What do you mean by not at all? You don't see the contradiciton?

In one post he says an arm absolutely will not grow unless you do compound excercises, and then in a quote he tried to use for his support said that stimulating just a forearm will make it grow, even without a compound excersize. That's is a contradiction.

Wall backing ability? Didn't understand what you meant.

 

[deathdroprob]

i do my curls in the squat rack, just sayin'

i heart U

 

[djeclipse]

I wasn't trying to switch things around, I just tried to not go off on a tangent about chest.

Then why bring it up?

 

[djeclipse]

You keep talking about what if, this, what if that, new lifter vs older lifter.

A control group rules out everything you bring up in your argument. A control group is a group of people that are similar in every aspect. The results are that doing curls on top of major lifts produced NO extra benefit in size.

New or old lifter it doesn't matter, growth will be relative.

2 new lifters, one doing compound movements, one doing compound movements and then some curlZ. The arm size gain = same

Or 2 experienced lifters, one doing compound movements only, one doing compound movements and then curls. the arm size gain = same.

Not according to me, according to this scientific study.

You keep saying it's impossible to rule out all these factors, but who are you? The entire point of a scientific study is to have only one variable, curls or no curls is the only variable, everything else is controlled (what lifts they do, food etc).

But of course, who am I to believe in science when we have dabuffguy giving his opinions? How can I argue with opinions, certainly his opinion is no match for actual science.

Maybe the next time someone comes up with a new cancer drug/ treatment they should save all that money, time and research and just ask dabuffguy what he things about the effectiveness of the drug. Screw science. I always knew those funny looking guys in lab coats with years of education under their belts were just a sham. Thanks dabuffguy for letting us in on that secret.