Tips for Hard Gainers?

[djeclipse]

As for the pro body builders doing a tone of sets of curls, for the last time, that is now how they got their size. The body has limits, you can not have 30" arms on a 115lb stick frame. It's simply genetics.

As quoted before, bro body builders walk around with a perpetual pump, not just the day of a competition, but throughout the competition season. That is why they loose so much size during the off season, that pump is not actual muscle..

 

[djeclipse]

def. a good bro. And obviously his opinions are very strong. I usually don't like to sit and argue a point, but this one seemed to play the right chord and activate my argumentative side.

It's one of my many tallents...

Cheers.

 

[dabuffguy]

As for the pro body builders doing a tone of sets of curls, for the last time, that is now how they got their size. The body has limits, you can not have 30" arms on a 115lb stick frame. It's simply genetics.

As quoted before, bro body builders walk around with a perpetual pump, not just the day of a competition, but throughout the competition season. That is why they loose so much size during the off season, that pump is not actual muscle..

They do curls because they don't think it's a waste of time, which was the original argument.

 

[djeclipse]

They do curls because they don't think it's a waste of time, which was the original argument.

No, the original argument and my point was if you are doing proper compound lifts, you get no size gains form dong curls. Hence a waste of time.

And the original thread had something to do about being a hard gainer, which we can all agree that eating more is the fix for that.

 

[19psi]

all i know is, my arms grew fast enough to get stretch marks during a period of time where i did nohting but squats, deads and presses. i threw in some tri work sometimes just because i like training tris, but never any bi work because i hated training bi's! and they still grew....

 

[silverskyline]

I like hamsters that lift weights!

 

[djeclipse]

I like hamsters that lift weights!

I like hot chicks wearing little to no clothing lifting weights, but to each his own I guess...

 

[dropkick_shanahans14]

I think each opinion matters to the specific training and goals of the lifter. If I'm a weightlifter or powerlifter, curls are not important to me, but if I'm a body builder then curls might be important to me. I agree that in order for iso movements to be affective for a bodybuilder, the lifter must have a strong base in the deadlift, squat, and bench, and must stuff his face full of food. It's just that important to increase the lifts of the squat and deadlift being the most important for a bodybuilder, in order to see a noticeable size increase for the arms when doing iso work for them, and doing them at reps high enough to trigger hypertrophy.

That's just for the bodybuilder though, whom shape themselves to a greater mass than the other lifters. But assuming the lifter wants to get better at certain compound lifts, practicing the squat and deadlift and bench with a good diet will also noticeably see increases in arm size, not as big as a bodybuilder's of course, but noticeably bigger.

Here's also an interesting article: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/6975191-post9.html

 

[djeclipse]

I think each opinion matters to the specific training and goals of the lifter. If I'm a weightlifter or powerlifter, curls are not important to me, but if I'm a body builder then curls might be important to me. I agree that in order for iso movements to be affective for a bodybuilder, the lifter must have a strong base in the deadlift, squat, and bench, and must stuff his face full of food. It's just that important to increase the lifts of the squat and deadlift being the most important for a bodybuilder, in order to see a noticeable size increase for the arms when doing iso work for them, and doing them at reps high enough to trigger hypertrophy.

That's just for the bodybuilder though, whom shape themselves to a greater mass than the other lifters. But assuming the lifter wants to get better at certain compound lifts, practicing the squat and deadlift and bench with a good diet will also noticeably see increases in arm size, not as big as a bodybuilder's of course, but noticeably bigger.

Here's also an interesting article: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/6975191-post9.html

Good link, I remember reading that a while back.

 

[dabuffguy]

I think each opinion matters to the specific training and goals of the lifter. If I'm a weightlifter or powerlifter, curls are not important to me, but if I'm a body builder then curls might be important to me. I agree that in order for iso movements to be affective for a bodybuilder, the lifter must have a strong base in the deadlift, squat, and bench, and must stuff his face full of food. It's just that important to increase the lifts of the squat and deadlift being the most important for a bodybuilder, in order to see a noticeable size increase for the arms when doing iso work for them, and doing them at reps high enough to trigger hypertrophy.

That's just for the bodybuilder though, whom shape themselves to a greater mass than the other lifters. But assuming the lifter wants to get better at certain compound lifts, practicing the squat and deadlift and bench with a good diet will also noticeably see increases in arm size, not as big as a bodybuilder's of course, but noticeably bigger.

Here's also an interesting article: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/6975191-post9.html

That IS a good read. I totally agree with all of that. What I noticed he was saying that doing the iso excercises aren't going to get you big arms. I have always agreed with that. Doing them by themselves is going to give you results, but not like you hope for. Doing the big squats and deads will definitely increase strength and size over the whole body because the systemic load is big. Where I came to the disagreement with DJ is where he said that the addition of iso arm excercises when doing the big lifts is a waste of time. I don't think it's a waste of time, but I do agree with him on the fact that the big lifts produce the big results. The arm isos may be insignificant when compared to the big lifts. But not 100% unproductive either.