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Bodybuilding is stupid.
Have fun spending all your time trying to LOOK like you can do something athletic.
Preoccupation with body image is for women.

Some people use performance enhancing drugs to actually enhance performance, which means actually doing something, yet 95% of the advice given here is related to "gettin huge".

Shut the f&*% up about diet. People come here to ask about drugs which, lets face it, is never really a safe or responsible decision. You still have at least a ten times greater chance of dying or being injured in a car crash than by using steroids. Are you going to tell someone not to drive because they're 21 and they don't "eat clean"? Someone who trains their silly balls off with a balance of resistance, cardio and endurance, eats calorie dense food, and takes low to moderate doses of AAS is going to be WAY healthier than some loser who puts on 50 lbs of muscle over what their natural limit would be eating a "clean" diet and taking a shitload of test and tren.

Bloodwork is worthless. Your levels are going to change all the time. Different people have different levels of hormones naturally. For instance, one person could be totally fit and healthy with slightly elevated estrogen, while another would be retaining water and crying during Oprah episodes. Use ancillaries to combat symptoms and learn how to adjust them with trial and error instead of seeking some false peace of mind with your worthless once a year snapshot of hormone levels.

I will not post again. Go ahead and remove this if you have to keep everyone in groupthink lockstep, which reminds me, hey moderators, quit dominating the whole site and responding to every post numerous times, especially when you're obviously shills for the sponsors.

BTW, if you lift because you want to be the guy that can stand up to other dudes, get in real shape and learn how to box or wrestle, its way better.

Peace!
 
You mad bro? We give advice on diet and reaching your natural peak before using aas because it is a safer and more responsible practice. We don't give aas advice to people under 21 because that is irresponsible. Sorry you didn't have a good experience here on ef. The mod team tries to assist members wherever we can because that is what we are here for.

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I read some of your posts and agree with like 99% of what you say--we need more endurance people on this site--and there are a bunch they are just quiet--I know as the PM me about my gear use.

But why the hostility? From what I can tell your posts are on point/sensible/etc--have people contradicted you who knew little to nothing? If so, don't leave--they win. I get trashed all the time/ignored b/c some of the bros just don't understand the basics but I still want to help them.
 
don't ban--read his prior posts--the dude knows what he is talking about related to endurance etc--let him speak/justify why he thinks what he does...Pleeease...I want to hear
 
I like this forum just don't agree with telling everyone they need your sponsors supplements

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Well this is a "steroids and bodybuilding" website just sayin' and attacking the site is knot the proper way to get attention...
 
^^^ i didn't have a problem with his post until the last couple paragraphs when he said the moderators are shills for sponsors. that is where he ran into a bannable offense. just a 1 day timeout, he can come back and make amends for himself if he wants, otherwise he can just be perma'd if he wants to continue spreading santorum froth on the boards like this.
 
^^^ i didn't have a problem with his post until the last couple paragraphs when he said the moderators are shills for sponsors. that is where he ran into a bannable offense. just a 1 day timeout, he can come back and make amends for himself if he wants, otherwise he can just be perma'd if he wants to continue spreading santorum froth on the boards like this.

Agreed! The part about the shills got him. Otherwise I would have really liked to have a genuine debate on some of his points.

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I agree with that as I get nothing for my sig--I just like the stuff. His posts in other forums are really good--I can understand why he may think the way he does about some things--endurance guys do not get the "diet" part b/c BF is not an issue--calories are--the more the merrier.

but having endurance guys is a big part of gear use and the general public--and a fair number of bros on here---have no idea that it's not just about BB--so many bros who use gear have their own reasons and that's healthy for the site--some bros give me shit for being a cyclist but they just make me laugh
 
^^ his post is a classic "i'm having a bad day so let me throw a hissyfit and get banned" type post. we had one yesterday too and the poster got banned for a day, man'ed up and apologized to me and the board personally, and is posting again like nothing happened.

his past posts are good like you said, so not sure why he decided to do this out of nowhere and attack the mods and sponsors.. silly cause we have the best sponsors with the best products and fastest shipping anywhere, so if he would rather shop at GNC or another online store and get inferior products that take 2 weeks to deliver that is up to him.
 
I agree with that as I get nothing for my sig--I just like the stuff. His posts in other forums are really good--I can understand why he may think the way he does about some things--endurance guys do not get the "diet" part b/c BF is not an issue--calories are--the more the merrier.

but having endurance guys is a big part of gear use and the general public--and a fair number of bros on here---have no idea that it's not just about BB--so many bros who use gear have their own reasons and that's healthy for the site--some bros give me shit for being a cyclist but they just make me laugh

Variety to me brings so much to the table in my opinion. Just because you are a cyclist and I am a body builder doesn't mean we can't learn from each other.

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different opinions are great.. cycling for different reasons/goals are great.. but we have to respect and trust the posters here.
 
Here's the deal -- if someone is genuinely looking for info, I don't like being so quick to ban or close threads. BUT, people have to know that there is a decorum to follow. I don't even mind a good argument now and then but mindless bitching, insults and pointless complaints will not fly for long.

And now -- a word from our sponsors.

Here's the deal.

All sites need sponsors to survive. Name one bodybuilding site that doesn't sell supplements.

But here's the catch -- here we actually design supplements for guys who juice. That makes them very special. The only other site that does that is T-Nation, but most of their their supplements suck and the one's that are decent are just weaker versions of what we sell here at half the price. So, you'd be an idiot not to shop here. But hey, to each his own.

As for protein, yeah, you can get cheap protein elsewhere, but supporting the site just helps us provide a service.

Now here's another astounding bit of information. You don't to buy anything. Your loss.

Ya know, this ain't Weider or Muscletech. We can't hire stars and pros to endorse the products. You know what we have? Guys who use them. Real bodybuilders. And they know the stuff works. If it didn't , they'd say so.

They know. You don't. So don't get on a bitchfest about shit you know nothing about and we're all good. Cool?
 
Variety to me brings so much to the table in my opinion. Just because you are a cyclist and I am a body builder doesn't mean we can't learn from each other.

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I agree and I am a reformed BB (meaning I did not have the discipline for things like diet, symmetry, form) but took gear in enough quantities to have learned.

The last five or six years I learned more about gear by "playing" with it--see what worked and how it worked--and I can tell you, the professional endurance athletes may use gear sparingly in a certain way but it's use is rampant among the weekend warriors (like me)in their 30s-40s.

What I disagree with the poster about is the statement that BBs are not athletes--we all are--just with different goals--hill intervals are just a form of HIIT--build-up phase is just akin to building a solid base of off cycle work to take the next step; hell short sprints and power lifting is so close physiologically it's funny
 
Wow.....I think the OP might be on Tren?

Seriously though, there is a much better way of handling things and debating his stance on using performance enhancing drugs as well as his opinions of this forum and its mods than the way he chose to handle it. All the maids here are great people that are open to discussion, but don't go expecting much if you bash the members, the mods, the board, and the sponsors!
 
I agree--but it is an opportunity to address his points--as Nelson stated--the site needs sponsors and this sites is miles ahead of the nearest competitor. Where else can you email/PM/call the owner of the company about any issue and actually get a response?
 
Wow.....I think the OP might be on Tren?
Ha ha agreed. If he's not, he's definitely not a candidate!

He attacks the performance enhancing and aas folks but titles his thread "This site sucks now"??? There are tons of forums that have so much interesting and quality information that i've been reading for YEARS. Whatever.
 
Here's the deal -- if someone is genuinely looking for info, I don't like being so quick to ban or close threads. BUT, people have to know that there is a decorum to follow. I don't even mind a good argument now and then but mindless bitching, insults and pointless complaints will not fly for long.

And now -- a word from our sponsors.

Here's the deal.

All sites need sponsors to survive. Name one bodybuilding site that doesn't sell supplements.

But here's the catch -- here we actually design supplements for guys who juice. That makes them very special. The only other site that does that is T-Nation, but most of their their supplements suck and the one's that are decent are just weaker versions of what we sell here at half the price. So, you'd be an idiot not to shop here. But hey, to each his own.

As for protein, yeah, you can get cheap protein elsewhere, but supporting the site just helps us provide a service.

Now here's another astounding bit of information. You don't to buy anything. Your loss.

Ya know, this ain't Weider or Muscletech. We can't hire stars and pros to endorse the products. You know what we have? Guys who use them. Real bodybuilders. And they know the stuff works. If it didn't , they'd say so.

They know. You don't. So don't get on a bitchfest about shit you know nothing about and we're all good. Cool?

Amen!
 
This site is more responsible now than it ever has been - especially with the advice.

Dude was manstrating
 
thanks for the naked pics of your sister though, i know she's over 18 yrs old.. that's what you claimed... so i've gone ahead and sold them to a porn site.. hope she gets lots of hits..
 
Nelson pretty much said it all.

I did lol at the comment about him being on tren. I jut came off a 10 wk cycle of it and am amazed at how bitchy it made me. Great shit but damn....

Also, I wouldn't go on a site and bash sponsors and mods. Its just retarded. No different than brock beating the shit out of mir and him dissing bud light and saying he's a coors man. Just not a good way to get along w/ everybody.

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But look at what he brought out--think of how many people will read insightful comments about gear and about the nuts and bolts of running a business--the is a teaching moment--and a learning one for those that really never thought about what & who it takes to make a site like this work--

and if I am a shill--so be it--but I use the products below and receive nothing in return--why? its good stuff and keeps the sponsors supporting the site.
 
I recommened supplements other than NTBM products... i just dont ever talk about names from labs.... regardless of using NTBM products, there are a million prodcuts on the market that will yield you proper gains and do the same thing their products will... Its just much easier to name with a sponser product so you dont have a million people stating a million different products bro... Shit gets confusing... Get a product that will do the same as their Unleashed, Or their Post cycle, etc.... No one will hate on you...

Sounds to me like someone needs their estrodiol checked? lol
Johnny
 
WOW! I am glad you pointed out that it was a one day ban...he was out of line, but hey everybody has their off days.

He is completely wrong about this site though...you are one of the ONLY sited I have found not completely lying about brandx or y being the greatest test or tren out there when it is garbage. I have yet ot try NTBM but have been very interested because of the positive comments. If anything is has been informative about alternative products like HCgenereate that I would never have considered. Again like Nelson says, no one is putting a gun to your head and telling you to buy something.

I really enjoy it here at Elite and the mods have been great in there diverse experience and opinions.
 
thanks for the naked pics of your sister though, i know she's over 18 yrs old.. that's what you claimed... so i've gone ahead and sold them to a porn site.. hope she gets lots of hits..

Lmfao! That is so wrong but hilarious! Get him the fuck out of here, it will only be a matter of time until he shoots his mouth off again.

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WOW! I am glad you pointed out that it was a one day ban...he was out of line, but hey everybody has their off days.

He is completely wrong about this site though...you are one of the ONLY sited I have found not completely lying about brandx or y being the greatest test or tren out there when it is garbage. I have yet ot try NTBM but have been very interested because of the positive comments. If anything is has been informative about alternative products like HCgenereate that I would never have considered. Again like Nelson says, no one is putting a gun to your head and telling you to buy something.

I really enjoy it here at Elite and the mods have been great in there diverse experience and opinions.

good to hear!!

NTBM actually has sample packs you can buy for like 5 bucks of 3 different products of your choice so its a great way to sample the products. i recommend you try hcgenerate, its awesome.. and unleashed before sex or working out you will feel a difference. both are legal herbs, not suppressing which make them so popular.

also if you do buy a product and you aren't satisfied just send it back and get your money back. its that simple.
 
Ok fuck it i skipped the 3rd and 4th page.

But really...we are all a bunch of women because we are image consious? We are shit because we use aas to get larger than the average man and enjoy it? Your better than us because your an endurance athelete..??


Would you rather see stupid noobs(no not all noobs are stupid..relax guys)...that are going to use AAS regardless come here and get safe advice or just hap hazardlly go about it and fuck themselves up?


The mods... yeah, sure they get samples, maybe some free stuff, they promote the sponsors, its their fucking job! This site is great but its also a business. Wake/grow up. I think the mods do a decent job of promoting products while not actually shoving them down everyones throat.
And yeah, this site has its own order to it...just like Isteroid, Tnation, BB.com...whatever else is out there...all different shit. again...whats to cry about..?
Sometimes things get a little micro managed, sure....but i really can only think of one mod in my 11 years here that I thought was a total asshole and he isnt even a mod anymore.
What is it that you thought you would gain...you post a bitchy mensturating rant and then duck out of site?? Like the loser that runs in a school and drops a bomb then runs out? you dont even have the sack to hang around and wait for it to explode? Did it make you feel better to get your thoughts off your chest and prove to yourself how much lower on the food chain we all are than you?

But I digress, maybe the OP has a point.....George, BRR, N2, maybe we should just shut it down all together....I mean the whole fucking joint....afterall 99.5% of us arent enhancing any kind of performance with these performance enhancing drugs we covet so much so we are all just living a huge lie....Lets end the lie....just pull the plug guys.... the end of ELITE FITNESS nice knowing you all....

:rolleyes::rolleyes: tool bag......
 
Bodybuilding is stupid.
Have fun spending all your time trying to LOOK like you can do something athletic.
Preoccupation with body image is for women.
Bullshit. This is just a pathetic comment.

Shut the f&*% up about diet. People come here to ask about drugs which, lets face it, is never really a safe or responsible decision. You still have at least a ten times greater chance of dying or being injured in a car crash than by using steroids

(but full blown gynecomastia is a fate worse than death. And trust me, gynecomastia from steroid abuse is a lot more likely than a car crash).

Bloodwork is worthless. Your levels are going to change all the time. Different people have different levels of hormones naturally. For instance, one person could be totally fit and healthy with slightly elevated estrogen, while another would be retaining water and crying during Oprah episodes. Use ancillaries to combat symptoms and learn how to adjust them with trial and error instead of seeking some false peace of mind with your worthless once a year snapshot of hormone levels.

Blood work is not worthless, it's exactly what you said, a snapshot of where you are with your hormones. It just allows you to see your hormones on a piece of paper, which is helpful when you have been using trial and error
So consider that. . .
 
Bodybuilding is stupid.
thats cause you tried it and sucked at it you weakling

Have fun spending all your time trying to LOOK like you can do something athletic.
Preoccupation with body image is for women.

my body image gets me plenty of women, yours attracts closet lesbians looking for a feminine 'man'.. men are supposed to be strong

Some people use performance enhancing drugs to actually enhance performance, which means actually doing something, yet 95% of the advice given here is related to "gettin huge".

then get the fuck out then and go join bb.com so you can socialize with newbs

Shut the f&*% up about diet.
diet is the #1 part of bodybuilding DUH

People come here to ask about drugs which, lets face it, is never really a safe or responsible decision.
steroids are hormones that are naturally occuring in the male body, I don't classify them as drugs. drugs are things you take to get high, or to kill pain etc.
You still have at least a ten times greater chance of dying or being injured in a car crash than by using steroids.
wow, thanks for that info!

Are you going to tell someone not to drive because they're 21 and they don't "eat clean"?

actually i think 25 is a good age to use steroids, 21 is what the site requires.. when you are under 21 you shouldn't mess with your hormones

Someone who trains their silly balls off with a balance of resistance, cardio and endurance, eats calorie dense food, and takes low to moderate doses of AAS is going to be WAY healthier than some loser who puts on 50 lbs of muscle over what their natural limit would be eating a "clean" diet and taking a shitload of test and tren.

depends on your definition of healthy. as far as heart health then yes you are correct. but people look at a skinny weakling and they don't see a healthy person but when they look at a bodybuilder they are like 'damn that dude is jacked' .. so we go back to body image. that is OUR decision to do.. this is why we tell people to use AAS responsibly and not abuse. cycle off, run PCT. run bloods etc. also endurance runners are notorious for over training and pounding away for miles and hours.. that actually results in plenty of injuries, i know cause i used to be one.. ankle problems, foot problems, shin splints, knee problems etc etc. running is far more brutal on the body. so no endurance athletes aren't necessarily more healthy, heart health yes. i've never been injured lifting weights, but i have gotten injured plenty running and playing other sports

Bloodwork is worthless. Your levels are going to change all the time. Different people have different levels of hormones naturally. For instance, one person could be totally fit and healthy with slightly elevated estrogen, while another would be retaining water and crying during Oprah episodes. Use ancillaries to combat symptoms and learn how to adjust them with trial and error instead of seeking some false peace of mind with your worthless once a year snapshot of hormone levels.

you are a bonafide idiot for this statement.. bloodwork is essential to see how your HPTA is behaving, what needs to be fixed etc. i could post pages of info on why you need bloodwork if you juice but why waste my time. you are an expert on everything anyway

I will not post again.

yes you will, you will be back on EF cause you know this is the best site out there. we can see that you have been on here for the past day nonstop, and you also posted a message in purgatory, so you are a fucking lying POS and not a man of your word.

Go ahead and remove this if you have to keep everyone in groupthink lockstep
i'm not removing your post cause everytime i read it i ROTFLMAO. its a classic post Mr. I hate this site but I have been online for 24 hours straight.

, which reminds me, hey moderators, quit dominating the whole site and responding to every post numerous times, especially when you're obviously shills for the sponsors.

no one shills for sponsors, you are just mad you have been on here since 2004 and haven't accomplished shit. 75 posts huh in 8 years? thats less than 10 per year, you haven't given the site anything worthy.

BTW, if you lift because you want to be the guy that can stand up to other dudes, get in real shape and learn how to box or wrestle, its way better.
actually being built like a freight train is a barrier against even being approached in the first place.. and who fights anyway after the age of 20? you must be a teenager who gets beat up daily.

Peace!

in bold. thanks for providing the site a good laugh, you should be a writer for Stephen Colbert with that parody rant you wrote. classic.
 
It's a bodybuilding site. Nobody forced you to read here...

If you want endurance, shoot a little EQ and enjoy. There's not much else to discuss. Now you want to be 230, 240, 250lbs shredded? There's theories and formulas and tons and tons of knowledge and research and debate on the subject. That's why forums like EF exist, to discuss how to get big and ripped...how to be a bodybuilder.
 
in bold. thanks for providing the site a good laugh, you should be a writer for Stephen Colbert with that parody rant you wrote. classic.

Damn fine response.


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Defeat is the stepping stone to victory.
 
And just to add. . . we all know the Op is going to come back and read this thread and not be able to resist replying lol. . . I'll be here to laugh when it happens. . .
 
Ok fuck it i skipped the 3rd and 4th page.

But really...we are all a bunch of women because we are image consious? We are shit because we use aas to get larger than the average man and enjoy it? Your better than us because your an endurance athelete..??


Would you rather see stupid noobs(no not all noobs are stupid..relax guys)...that are going to use AAS regardless come here and get safe advice or just hap hazardlly go about it and fuck themselves up?


The mods... yeah, sure they get samples, maybe some free stuff, they promote the sponsors, its their fucking job! This site is great but its also a business. Wake/grow up. I think the mods do a decent job of promoting products while not actually shoving them down everyones throat.
And yeah, this site has its own order to it...just like Isteroid, Tnation, BB.com...whatever else is out there...all different shit. again...whats to cry about..?
Sometimes things get a little micro managed, sure....but i really can only think of one mod in my 11 years here that I thought was a total asshole and he isnt even a mod anymore.
What is it that you thought you would gain...you post a bitchy mensturating rant and then duck out of site?? Like the loser that runs in a school and drops a bomb then runs out? you dont even have the sack to hang around and wait for it to explode? Did it make you feel better to get your thoughts off your chest and prove to yourself how much lower on the food chain we all are than you?

But I digress, maybe the OP has a point.....George, BRR, N2, maybe we should just shut it down all together....I mean the whole fucking joint....afterall 99.5% of us arent enhancing any kind of performance with these performance enhancing drugs we covet so much so we are all just living a huge lie....Lets end the lie....just pull the plug guys.... the end of ELITE FITNESS nice knowing you all....

:rolleyes::rolleyes: tool bag......

Got to love this guy!

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This site is great but its also a business. Wake/grow up. I think the mods do a decent job of promoting products while not actually shoving them down everyones throat.

This is something that just does not bother me at all, i don't know why some guys get so pissy about it. Of course the site is a business. Natahan is always here, it's actually ridiculous the time the guy puts in (or in my experience he does). So the mods are promoting products. So what??? At the end of the day, they are promoting GREAT products that do a a great job, and at a fucking ridiculously low price.

Whats with all the raised estrogen about promoting products, get some forma stanzol/Unleashed for it and stop whining about silly things :D (see what i did there lol)
 
Can you imagine the guys face when he wrote his little rant?

Bet he had a face like he was about to take a dump on the floor and stamp on it!

Ha Ha Ha Ha!
 
Why would you ban/ block this? I've seen worse stuff than this in here, this us just this guys opinion, everyone has one, maybe you agree maybe you don't. But he didn't attack anyone in particular. Maybe he's just bitter

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Why would you ban/ block this? I've seen worse stuff than this in here, this us just this guys opinion, everyone has one, maybe you agree maybe you don't. But he didn't attack anyone in particular. Maybe he's just bitter

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excessive masturbation will do that to ya
 
Why would you ban/ block this? I've seen worse stuff than this in here, this us just this guys opinion, everyone has one, maybe you agree maybe you don't. But he didn't attack anyone in particular. Maybe he's just bitter

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who blocked what?

his post is still there in black and white..

a moderator can ban whom they choose, if you aren't happy with their job then PM an admin or executive moderator and complain about it.. its your right.

the mods of this site do stuff you are not aware of, we are banning spammers, cheats, and LE on a daily basis... so frankly you are not aware of what goes on behind the scenes to tell us whom should be banned or whom not. :evil:
 
who blocked what?

his post is still there in black and white..

a moderator can ban whom they choose, if you aren't happy with their job then PM an admin or executive moderator and complain about it.. its your right.

the mods of this site do stuff you are not aware of, we are banning spammers, cheats, and LE on a daily basis... so frankly you are not aware of what goes on behind the scenes to tell us whom should be banned or whom not. :evil:

I wasn't trying to tell anyone who to ban or who not to ban. I was just asking why it would be, what would be the reason. Reading his post made me wonder about what he was saying. I'm new at this stuff, so I read that and figured it was just someone standing on their soap box, preaching about something that went wrong, or his bad day.

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I wasn't trying to tell anyone who to ban or who not to ban. I was just asking why it would be, what would be the reason. Reading his post made me wonder about what he was saying. I'm new at this stuff, so I read that and figured it was just someone standing on their soap box, preaching about something that went wrong, or his bad day.

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bashing the board, bashing the mods, and bashing the sponsors are all bannable offenses.

i would say i was very lenient giving him 1 day off only.

now either he can come back like a man and apologize like 99% of guys have done, or he can be a pussy and come back and cause more problems and just be perma banned.
 
bashing the board, bashing the mods, and bashing the sponsors are all bannable offenses.

i would say i was very lenient giving him 1 day off only.

now either he can come back like a man and apologize like 99% of guys have done, or he can be a pussy and come back and cause more problems and just be perma banned.

From the way he made it sound, he didn't care he just wanted to say what he had to say and let that be that. I actually enjoy EF, its very informative, and funny.

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someone woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning and it wasn't me.
 
someone woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning and it wasn't me.

What makes the first post bad, is that the guy said he was going to post again. Why the Hell not, at least defend what you're saying, especially if you feel so strongly about it that you will resort to paragraphs bashing people and things.

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From the way he made it sound, he didn't care he just wanted to say what he had to say and let that be that. I actually enjoy EF, its very informative, and funny.

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Glad to hear, so sit back relax and let the moderators do their job.They are doing work for free, basically charity work to keep this place running smooth and safe for everyone.
 
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