Test-prop vs. Tren help me out

[joe d]

I am on my first cycle ever. Im about 3 weaks in using home brew test-prop alone. Im gaining but im worried about gyno. My body fat is also climbing higher than before. Before i started i was 5'5'' 196lbs 20% bf now after 3 weaks i am 203lbs and 23%bf. So all in all i am woried i may turn into a lard ass with big tits.
The craze here seems to be tren. So i ordered the shit. What can i expect different than test-prop. Also i was happy with 2cc eod with the prop what would be an average or comparable dose of tren and how often. Of course i will start with much less. The only side i found with prop other than damn near raping my girlfriend regularly was when i tried to go up to 2.5cc eod i developed an instant high temper. So i imediately dropped back to 2cc and was fine.

 

[*The_West*]

also you mention using "2cc" eod of prop, what concentration is it? if its 100mg/ml that is wayyyy too much for a first cycle.

 

[*The_West*]

and your bodyfat will be largely to do with what you are eating. fix that problem, dont try to solve it with drugs.

 

[IronmanLV]

I have to agree with Big A, do your homework. Tren is great stuff so long as you have the experience under your belt but probably can be potentially the most dangerous of all the injectables. It's definitly not for newbie's.

Many people think Tren is a fat burner. WRONG! However if you are reasonably lean it favors lean gains over fat and fluid retention.

I have to also agree with Big A when he said, you need to get your diet dialed in. If you are over 20% B/F you are wasting your time taking anything. I would recommend getting off of everything, do your post cycle recovery and wait until you have more knowledge and experience and a lot less B/F. The stuff will keep.

Here is a little advice...If you want to have any success as a Bodybuilder realize its more about doing things right than drugs. Save the drugs until you have everything right.

To make really good progress think of it like a triangle. You have to have the right balance of the right traiining, the right diet and the right recovery. Once you have all of that going for you then you're ready. But right now you are too far from that point.

Good luck.

 

[joe d]

I started with .5cc and moved up until i noticed a difference when i went to 2.5 the pump was awesome but it made me pretty edgy so i dropped back. I cant realy say the concentration it is my first batch and i have nothing to compare it to. From studying the different drugs i thoughy the test would be a good choice. But through lack of resorces i am limmited to the 2 mentioned. My bf was good before and steady. When i started the prop i went a little overboard i think trying to get the most out of it. I upped my cal intake from a very clean 4500 to 6000 so i believe that is the culprit. I dont mind the 20%bf and my girl loves it.

 

[Big A]

you shouldnt be shooting homemade prop if you dont even know the concentration. I wouldnt get back on till your at 15% bf. What kinds of foods are you eating to get those calories??

 

[smtimelevi]

I started with .5cc and moved up until i noticed a difference when i went to 2.5 the pump was awesome but it made me pretty edgy so i dropped back. I cant realy say the concentration it is my first batch and i have nothing to compare it to. From studying the different drugs i thoughy the test would be a good choice. But through lack of resorces i am limmited to the 2 mentioned. My bf was good before and steady. When i started the prop i went a little overboard i think trying to get the most out of it. I upped my cal intake from a very clean 4500 to 6000 so i believe that is the culprit. I dont mind the 20%bf and my girl loves it.

Concentration means MG per ML around here not potency.

 

[gunnz]

Def. get your diet in check, more lean protein(chicken,fish,steaks etc.) less carbs. Up your cardio and the fat will start to fall off!!

 

[joe d]

why is the 20% bf bad ? I trimmed to 17% a few months ago just to see how i looked and i prefer 20% i hold it well with my normal diet. i do have a solid foundation. i started with a trainer 4 years ago and have done nothing but improve however that same trainer and i agree that i have hit that dreaded point. i have not made a gain in almost 6 months until now. some fat some muscle. i did step the food up a bit to high. i say the cc instead of mg because im not so sure on the percentage loss do to the conversion process. if there was a 0% loss then i would be using 200mg eod but there is no way. i am going to guess 150mg eod. my diet is 6 meals per day for beef 3 times poultry 1 time shakes with milk 2 times. for carbs its a wide variety of whole grains rice, bread, oatmeal, pasta ect. 1 apple per day 2 green salads per day. 1 handfull of mixed nuts about 1.5 galons of water the normal variety of suppliments and thats pretty much it. i do take body building very serously and have learned my body well. however as you can see i am very new to the steroid part. every one is concerned about the bf. im not sure why. i would not like 15% unless i was competing then of course i would drop to about 10 but i look a little to ripped and veiny at 17% let alone 15%. Is there a reason 20% is to high? something that would impact a cycle or my health?

 

[ALIN]

I am on my first cycle ever. Im about 3 weaks in using home brew test-prop alone. Im gaining but im worried about gyno. My body fat is also climbing higher than before. Before i started i was 5'5'' 196lbs 20% bf now after 3 weaks i am 203lbs and 23%bf. So all in all i am woried i may turn into a lard ass with big tits.
The craze here seems to be tren. So i ordered the shit. What can i expect different than test-prop. Also i was happy with 2cc eod with the prop what would be an average or comparable dose of tren and how often. Of course i will start with much less. The only side i found with prop other than damn near raping my girlfriend regularly was when i tried to go up to 2.5cc eod i developed an instant high temper. So i imediately dropped back to 2cc and was fine.

are you watching your diet?

 

[Big A]

why is the 20% bf bad ? I trimmed to 17% a few months ago just to see how i looked and i prefer 20% i hold it well with my normal diet. i do have a solid foundation. i started with a trainer 4 years ago and have done nothing but improve however that same trainer and i agree that i have hit that dreaded point. i have not made a gain in almost 6 months until now. some fat some muscle. i did step the food up a bit to high. i say the cc instead of mg because im not so sure on the percentage loss do to the conversion process. if there was a 0% loss then i would be using 200mg eod but there is no way. i am going to guess 150mg eod. my diet is 6 meals per day for beef 3 times poultry 1 time shakes with milk 2 times. for carbs its a wide variety of whole grains rice, bread, oatmeal, pasta ect. 1 apple per day 2 green salads per day. 1 handfull of mixed nuts about 1.5 galons of water the normal variety of suppliments and thats pretty much it. i do take body building very serously and have learned my body well. however as you can see i am very new to the steroid part. every one is concerned about the bf. im not sure why. i would not like 15% unless i was competing then of course i would drop to about 10 but i look a little to ripped and veiny at 17% let alone 15%. Is there a reason 20% is to high? something that would impact a cycle or my health?

Are you sure you have your bf checked properly. You shouldnt be vascular and ripped at 15 % let alone 17 %. BTW bodybuilders compete at a much lower bf then 10, probably around 3.

 

[wrestlemania100]

wtf, whyed u post the same thing over and over lol

 

[brundel]

Stop it your hurting my eyes. Im at @10% BF and Im far from contest condition. Im assuming you did a syno conversion. Your probably holding more water (not fat) as its impossible to get all the estradiol benzoate out of it. Im currently running the same. I agree that you should have a lower BF before embarking on an AAS cycle, however, Its up to you. TREN is a big nono for you at this time. Test only cycle is a great first go and Prop popped my cherry as well 50mg eod. More is not really needed on a first cycle. Try Nolvadex 10-20 mg ed and see if the Water retention lessens as your problem is IMHO estro related.

 

[Big A]

shit sorry bout that, my comp froze up when i was doing that so i continued to click and when i checked ealier my message still wasnt there.

 

[joe d]

i just bought an amron bf minitor and it is giving me hugely different numbers than the old walmart 10.00 model. the amron is giving me 16% bf and the old one gives me 22% wth. i guess i will be going with the results from the amron. any way thank you every one for helping me out. i am going to end my current cycle and get ahold of some better anti-e's. in a couple of months providing i find what i need i will start with a new batch and cycle 50mg eod for 6 weaks and see what happens from there. once again thanks for the input and possibly preventing me from regret.

 

[mattdan]

I agree with the above except that tren is not a fat burner. Tren is a great fat burner IMHO.

 

[EZ_E]

Taking "home made" test (whatever that is)
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2cc's ED??????
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20% BF
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Don't know why 20% BF is too high for AAS
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"Prefer" 20% BF
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"Ordered" tren, God knows from where and don't know how to dose it...AND 1st cycle

And lemme guess, training for all of 6 months, right?
=
This thread is DRAINING the life outta me.

Another uneducated guy looking for a quick fix.

Ever see a unicorn?

You ain't gonna see a quick fix either.....

 

[joe d]

Taking "home made" test (whatever that is)
+
2cc's ED??????
+
20% BF
+
Don't know why 20% BF is too high for AAS
+
"Prefer" 20% BF
+
"Ordered" tren, God knows from where and don't know how to dose it...AND 1st cycle

And lemme guess, training for all of 6 months, right?
=
This thread is DRAINING the life outta me.

Another uneducated guy looking for a quick fix.

Ever see a unicorn?

You ain't gonna see a quick fix either.....

its not so much the nasty im better than you attitude that makes you look so bad in this post. its the fact that most of your quotes are wrong. where the hell did you get all of that info from. not me. learn how to read dude. ive busted my ass for the last 4 years to get where i am all natural. i couldnt tell you how many times ive been accused of taking aas before ever touching them so the next time you want to try to belittle someone at least take a minute to learn what your talking about first.

 

[EZ_E]

its not so much the nasty im better than you attitude that makes you look so bad in this post. its the fact that most of your quotes are wrong. where the hell did you get all of that info from. not me. learn how to read dude. ive busted my ass for the last 4 years to get where i am all natural. i couldnt tell you how many times ive been accused of taking aas before ever touching them so the next time you want to try to belittle someone at least take a minute to learn what your talking about first.

YOUR post said you're taking home made test

YOU said you're @ 20% BF

YOU said you don't see why 20% BF is too high for a cycle.

All I know about you is from what YOU wrote. The "training for 6 months?" was a question. This thing: ? is a question mark.

Go back and read what ou posted B4 you cry like a bitch.

 

[Greatercow]

lol lets play nice people oh and btw owned

 

[letsrun4it]

I'm going to be very civil about this--DO NOT TAKE DRUGS U DONT KNOW MG/ML You do not have the knowledge base yet to use AAS, especially tren. Go exercise.

 

[IronmanLV]

I agree with the above except that tren is not a fat burner. Tren is a great fat burner IMHO.

NO AAS is a fat burner. Tren just favors the distribution towards lean tissue and less water retention. I don't make the shit up and it's not an opinion it's a scientific fact. Dude do your reasearch.

 

[DidiXterra]

Why is Tren so "dangerous" as you guys say? ...I never taken Tren, only Turinabol (at very low 20mg ED) for 6 weeks... And only heard good things about Tren, would be nice to hear the bad as well...

But am considering going on 6 weeks with Tren 300mg/week and Testo Propionate 300mg/weekly in a few months...

 

[IronmanLV]

Why is Tren so "dangerous" as you guys say? ...I never taken Tren, only Turinabol (at very low 20mg ED) for 6 weeks... And only heard good things about Tren, would be nice to hear the bad as well...

But am considering going on 6 weeks with Tren 300mg/week and Testo Propionate 300mg/weekly in a few months...

If you don't understand the difference between Turinabol and Tren then you better do more research before going on Tren or you're in for a real surprise, lol.

It's not that it's "bad", personally I love the stuff, it just has the most potential and harshest side effects of all injectable AAS. It's not for a newbie and you better know what you are doing so you don't screw yourself up.

I'm not going to give you the entire litany of possible sides, do the research it's easy enough to find.

Good luck!

 

[Big A]

i love tren in terms of gains but i find mentally it really messes you up. By the end of each cycle of tren i have run i have always gone a bit crazy.