Test-prop vs. Tren help me out

[Big A]

why is the 20% bf bad ? I trimmed to 17% a few months ago just to see how i looked and i prefer 20% i hold it well with my normal diet. i do have a solid foundation. i started with a trainer 4 years ago and have done nothing but improve however that same trainer and i agree that i have hit that dreaded point. i have not made a gain in almost 6 months until now. some fat some muscle. i did step the food up a bit to high. i say the cc instead of mg because im not so sure on the percentage loss do to the conversion process. if there was a 0% loss then i would be using 200mg eod but there is no way. i am going to guess 150mg eod. my diet is 6 meals per day for beef 3 times poultry 1 time shakes with milk 2 times. for carbs its a wide variety of whole grains rice, bread, oatmeal, pasta ect. 1 apple per day 2 green salads per day. 1 handfull of mixed nuts about 1.5 galons of water the normal variety of suppliments and thats pretty much it. i do take body building very serously and have learned my body well. however as you can see i am very new to the steroid part. every one is concerned about the bf. im not sure why. i would not like 15% unless i was competing then of course i would drop to about 10 but i look a little to ripped and veiny at 17% let alone 15%. Is there a reason 20% is to high? something that would impact a cycle or my health?

Are you sure you have your bf checked properly. You shouldnt be vascular and ripped at 15 % let alone 17 %. BTW bodybuilders compete at a much lower bf then 10, probably around 3.

 

[wrestlemania100]

wtf, whyed u post the same thing over and over lol

 

[brundel]

Stop it your hurting my eyes. Im at @10% BF and Im far from contest condition. Im assuming you did a syno conversion. Your probably holding more water (not fat) as its impossible to get all the estradiol benzoate out of it. Im currently running the same. I agree that you should have a lower BF before embarking on an AAS cycle, however, Its up to you. TREN is a big nono for you at this time. Test only cycle is a great first go and Prop popped my cherry as well 50mg eod. More is not really needed on a first cycle. Try Nolvadex 10-20 mg ed and see if the Water retention lessens as your problem is IMHO estro related.

 

[Big A]

shit sorry bout that, my comp froze up when i was doing that so i continued to click and when i checked ealier my message still wasnt there.

 

[joe d]

i just bought an amron bf minitor and it is giving me hugely different numbers than the old walmart 10.00 model. the amron is giving me 16% bf and the old one gives me 22% wth. i guess i will be going with the results from the amron. any way thank you every one for helping me out. i am going to end my current cycle and get ahold of some better anti-e's. in a couple of months providing i find what i need i will start with a new batch and cycle 50mg eod for 6 weaks and see what happens from there. once again thanks for the input and possibly preventing me from regret.

 

[mattdan]

I agree with the above except that tren is not a fat burner. Tren is a great fat burner IMHO.

 

[EZ_E]

Taking "home made" test (whatever that is)
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2cc's ED??????
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20% BF
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Don't know why 20% BF is too high for AAS
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"Prefer" 20% BF
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"Ordered" tren, God knows from where and don't know how to dose it...AND 1st cycle

And lemme guess, training for all of 6 months, right?
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This thread is DRAINING the life outta me.

Another uneducated guy looking for a quick fix.

Ever see a unicorn?

You ain't gonna see a quick fix either.....

 

[joe d]

Taking "home made" test (whatever that is)
+
2cc's ED??????
+
20% BF
+
Don't know why 20% BF is too high for AAS
+
"Prefer" 20% BF
+
"Ordered" tren, God knows from where and don't know how to dose it...AND 1st cycle

And lemme guess, training for all of 6 months, right?
=
This thread is DRAINING the life outta me.

Another uneducated guy looking for a quick fix.

Ever see a unicorn?

You ain't gonna see a quick fix either.....

its not so much the nasty im better than you attitude that makes you look so bad in this post. its the fact that most of your quotes are wrong. where the hell did you get all of that info from. not me. learn how to read dude. ive busted my ass for the last 4 years to get where i am all natural. i couldnt tell you how many times ive been accused of taking aas before ever touching them so the next time you want to try to belittle someone at least take a minute to learn what your talking about first.

 

[EZ_E]

its not so much the nasty im better than you attitude that makes you look so bad in this post. its the fact that most of your quotes are wrong. where the hell did you get all of that info from. not me. learn how to read dude. ive busted my ass for the last 4 years to get where i am all natural. i couldnt tell you how many times ive been accused of taking aas before ever touching them so the next time you want to try to belittle someone at least take a minute to learn what your talking about first.

YOUR post said you're taking home made test

YOU said you're @ 20% BF

YOU said you don't see why 20% BF is too high for a cycle.

All I know about you is from what YOU wrote. The "training for 6 months?" was a question. This thing: ? is a question mark.

Go back and read what ou posted B4 you cry like a bitch.

 

[Greatercow]

lol lets play nice people oh and btw owned