Test and Deca question

[Pat_McCrotch]

I have heard and even believed that you need to take in more test than you do deca to counter deca dick. makes sense.

Well I was at work giving some mes the other day and kinda had a an epihany or a thought or a question. LOL

Why is that preached as gospel?

I mean they are 2 different drugs right? test is test and deca is a nandrolone/nortest right?

When I was passng meds I was giving one patient clonidine(Potent BP med) that weighs in at 0.1mg.

Next patient was getting diovan 160mg po for his BP.

Then it hit me. They are the same type of drugs but work at different doses on different receptors in the body.


If I were to do 400deca/wk and 250 of test/wk would it really give me deca dick? I am getting an above normal dose of test(by above normal I mean more than the body produces natty).

Help me understand vets why deca has to be less that Test? has anyone ever tried to put science behind it or is it "law" d/t the fear of deca dick? and this is the only we have thought up because of the fear of johnny not being able to pitch out the bullpen?

 

[goku_kakarot77]

I have heard and even believed that you need to take in more test than you do deca to counter deca dick. makes sense.

Well I was at work giving some mes the other day and kinda had a an epihany or a thought or a question. LOL

Why is that preached as gospel?

I mean they are 2 different drugs right? test is test and deca is a nandrolone/nortest right?

When I was passng meds I was giving one patient clonidine(Potent BP med) that weighs in at 0.1mg.

Next patient was getting diovan 160mg po for his BP.

Then it hit me. They are the same type of drugs but work at different doses on different receptors in the body.


If I were to do 400deca/wk and 250 of test/wk would it really give me deca dick? I am getting an above normal dose of test(by above normal I mean more than the body produces natty).

Help me understand vets why deca has to be less that Test? has anyone ever tried to put science behind it or is it "law" d/t the fear of deca dick? and this is the only we have thought up because of the fear of johnny not being able to pitch out the bullpen?

by ross http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...rum/ross-important-question-you-591681-2.html

Great question, let's adress the "Testosterone Myth".

Testosterone is frequently used as the BASE of all steroid cycles, providing an equal amount of anabolic and androgenic support throughout the duration of the cycle. Testosterone does not have to be the base of every cycle, but it SHOULD be the base of almost every cycle, and for several very important reasons:

First of all, Testosterone maintains a good mood, a strong libido, and healthy levels of energy. Failure to utilize Testosterone will result in a decreased libido, level of energy and quality of mood. This is because the body has ceased all(or most) endogenous(natural) testosterone production, as the HPTA is inhibited.

Secondly, Testosterone is SYNERGISTIC. Adding even a MINIMAL dosage of Testosterone to ANY cycle will completely enhance the effects. For most cycles, adding Testosterone is a no-brainer.

However, one can still run a very successful cycle without Testosterone, by simply using Proviron or Masteron as an androgenic replacement. Proviron and Masteron will both counteract the side-effects associated with low testosterone levels, by adding a distinct and powerful androgenic component to your cycle. For example, one could run Trenbolone/Masteron/Proviron or Deca/Dianabol/Proviron and still maintain a healthy libido without Testosterone.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

I see what he is saying but I am a firm believer in test and always will be.

Good info sir.

But still my question I think is a great one and would like the hemists here to elaborate on.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

bump

 

[GUARDIAN]

If u were solely interested in libido/deca dick u could get away with less like 250mg. I have run more to 1) counteract deca dick & replace suppressed test and 2) to use the test to make gains.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

If u were solely interested in libido/deca dick u could get away with less like 250mg. I have run more to 1) counteract deca dick & replace suppressed test and 2) to use the test to make gains.

I have always thought this but my question is why do we need to run more test than deca? Is deca more powerful than test?


Yo mama once again

 

[Ross]

I have always thought this but my question is why do we need to run more test than deca? Is deca more powerful than test?


Yo mama once again

YOU DON'T!!!

 

[rage_roid]

hmmm... a couple of mounths ago, in this forum, you would be flamed if you werent using more test than deca in your cycle... now is all right to use more deca than test????

 

[Ross]

hmmm... a couple of mounths ago, in this forum, you would be flamed if you werent using more test than deca in your cycle... now is all right to use more deca than test????

Yes, it always has been ok, UNLESS you are running MASSIVE dosages of Deca or Trenbolone.

Unfortunately, when guys like Anthony and Ulter were on this forum, people were ABUSING steroids. Dosages of 1GRAM of testosterone per week was considered AVERAGE! I only use 250-500mgs per cycle, and I consider myself an ADVANCED bodybuilder.

Of course, if you are using 600-800mgs of Deca, it would be wise to proportionately increase your testosterone dosage to around 400-500mgs per week. I however, would never suggest using that much Deca, or Deca AT ALL for that matter

 

[JLowe02]

it all been blown out of proportion. different people's bodies react differently to different drugs, and dosages of drugs. Some people may need to take more test than deca, some may not. to preach something as gospel when so many variables are involved should be considered shady at best.

 

[Ross]

it all been blown out of proportion. different people's bodies react differently to different drugs, and dosages of drugs. Some people may need to take more test than deca, some may not. to preach something as gospel when so many variables are involved should be considered shady at best.

There are however, certain physiological variables that are consistent thoughout all human bodies, so we CAN actually formulate a general set of rules or guidelines that work for most individuals.

 

[rage_roid]

well... not only in this forum, but in most forums is always recomend to take at least 100 mg. more test than deca, and always run it for at least 2 more weeks... and to my understanding... that's fine... we'll may be it's just because my sex life is one of the things that i'm not going to put on the line...

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

well... not only in this forum, but in most forums is always recomend to take at least 100 mg. more test than deca, and always run it for at least 2 more weeks... and to my understanding... that's fine... we'll may be it's just because my sex life is one of the things that i'm not going to put on the line...

yea but why?

 

[rage_roid]

Well that's a question I've been asking muy self for a long time, I thought that may be because it only takes 100 mg. of deca to completly supress your natural testosterone, now, that's true.. but when using exogenous test, you dont need your natural test... so... it does not really make a lot of sence... I would agree in the "runnign for 2 more weeks than deca, cause once the test is out, there can still be some deca left going on and you will not have nor natural or exogenous test... anyone can explain it???