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kcdoubleeagleplatinum

kcdoubleeagleplatinum

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Many who follow the emerging sciences of genetic engineering and nanotechnology understand that the current technology (HGH, STEROIDS,ETC.) will soon be obsolete. The reasons I have begun testosterone therapies are two-fold 1) to keep my body and mind young with current technology until gene therapies makes their way into the mass marketplace (probably within 10 years) 2) ease my transition into the nanotechnology era when humans will merge with machines ( within 25 years ).. nanobots will course through our bloodstreams keeping us healthy, fit and young...fighting and curing most known diseases...life spans will be radically increased.

Sounds like sci-fi but most prominent scientists are absolutely CONVINCED we will see this happen within a relatively short period of time.

So......let's stay young and healthy until the wonders of technology take us all to the next step!
 
BBC NEWS | Health | 'Fitness pill' being developed

This is just one of the few gene therapies that could go on the blackmarket IMMEDIATELY. I can pull off nanotechnolgy examples, too.

I firmly believe we will all be here talking about gene therapies 5 years from now.

The above product is JUST THE BEGINNING. Guys, scientist recently completed the Human Genome Project and are starting to understand it's ramifications. Once we realize which genes to shut off ( the fat storage gene for example which has been isolated and can be turned off. This particular gene was great for our hunter gatherer ancestors but is no longer really necessary) and which ones to enhance....well...do the math. We are at the beginning....
 
Just remember, we know remarkably little about how cells work. Gene therapy and nanotechnology is great stuff, but it will take much longer than you think.
 
I'm still waiting for those backpacks that made you fly that I saw on TV as a kid. That looked cool.
 
mrplunkey said:
Just remember, we know remarkably little about how cells work. Gene therapy and nanotechnology is great stuff, but it will take much longer than you think.
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actually we are learning more and more everyday at an exponentially increasing rate.......it will take a while...but just read the following article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7535770.stm

this is already a reality and without a doubt athletes will be using this stuff or something like it within a very short period of time. After that it won't take long to get to the rest of us....


as far as nanotechnology goes...we are already running successful trials with lab animals....but are still a ways off with that technology....

Yep...steroids will soon go the way of Sweatin to the Oldies with Richard Simmons....both outdated and obsolete.
 
kcdoubleeagleplatinum said:
actually we are learning more and more everyday at an exponentially increasing rate.......it will take a while...but just read the following article

BBC NEWS | Health | 'Fitness pill' being developed

this is already a reality and without a doubt athletes will be using this stuff or something like it within a very short period of time. After that it won't take long to get to the rest of us....


as far as nanotechnology goes...we are already running successful trials with lab animals....but are still a ways off with that technology....

Yep...steroids will soon go the way of Sweatin to the Oldies with Richard Simmons....both outdated and obsolete.
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I appreciate your enthusiasm, but your timeline is off :)

These therapies are going to require premarket approval under FDA. It's not going to happen anytime soon. It takes six months to a year (or more) to even get a new hip or knee implant approved.
 
I agree it will take time for human trials and FDA approval...but that's why the athletes and trainers will get a hold of this stuff first....of course they will get caught and give it a bad name and get a bunch of stupid politicians to make it illegal....

But that doesn't take away from the fact that the science is already here...and we are just getting started....:)
 
kcdoubleeagleplatinum said:
I agree it will take time for human trials and FDA approval...but that's why the athletes and trainers will get a hold of this stuff first....of course they will get caught and give it a bad name and get a bunch of stupid politicians to make it illegal....

But that doesn't take away from the fact that the science is already here...and we are just getting started....:)
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And once again, it's vastly more complex than you'd think. We're still trying to figure-out how enzymes work. It's embarrassing how vast the gap is even between something as simple as organic chemistry and molecular biology.
 
i think we both agree that this will happen but maybe disagree on the timelines.....i believe ( and hope ) gene therapies will be mainstream within 10 years.....
 
kcdoubleeagleplatinum said:
i think we both agree that this will happen but maybe disagree on the timelines.....i believe ( and hope ) gene therapies will be mainstream within 10 years.....
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Go for 25 years and you should be set. Full-scale human approval and FDA rubber-stamped in 30-35.

Now genetic diseases are another matter. We may be 10 years out on that.
 
actually...as far as genetic diseases go...we are already there..

Severe Combined Immune Deficiency (ADA-SCID)
ADA-SCID is also known as the bubble boy disease. Affected children are born without an effective immune system and will succumb to infections outside of the bubble without bone marrow transplantation from matched donors. A landmark study representing a first case of gene therapy "cure," or at least a long-term correction, for patients with deadly genetic disorder was conducted by investigators in Italy. The therapeutic gene called ADA was introduced into the bone marrow cells of such patients in the laboratory, followed by transplantation of the genetically corrected cells back to the same patients. The immune system was reconstituted in all six treated patients without noticeable side effects, who now live normal lives with their families without the need for further treatment.
 
6 / 6,000,000,000,000 = a really small number.

Again, I really like your enthusiasm and we both agree it will happen. It's a timing thing. I still remember how micromachines and catheter technology was supposed to "roto-root" our coronary arteries and end heart disease forever. That was 1982 -- and we've still got a little while to go.
 
Imagine waking up 4 weeks from now and being 77% stronger. :evil:

bench goes from 300 to 550 in 4 weeks.

fantasy, but it would be cool
 
kcdoubleeagleplatinum said:
cool....nice avatar by the way!
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Thanks!

Richard is a misunderstood genius. I enjoy ripping on him, but the sad reality is he's probably helped more people than any other fitness expert alive. Sure Ronnie Coleman inspired more bodybuilders, but Richard probably helped a few million people drop those extra 100 lbs that were going to take them to an early grave.

He's my reminder that steadfast determination and pragmatism usually prevails over time.
 
dabuffguy said:
Imagine waking up 4 weeks from now and being 77% stronger. :evil:

bench goes from 300 to 550 in 4 weeks.

fantasy, but it would be cool
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Guys...I am telling you...this stuff is real...there might be some disagreement on the timelines.....but you can't find a credible scientist who disputes the reality of genetic engineering. It is the next step in our evolution..we are taking control.

As far as Richard Simmons goes...yes you have to respect anyone who has helped so many people.

I picked Tiger as an avatar because...well...he's Tiger Woods. Strongest mind in athletics.
 
don't even get me started on richard simmons. in my oppinion he is one of the biggest con artist in the fitness world. I think about all the obeice women who had purchased one of his video's with a false hope of changeing thier life. if your 100lbs or more overweight a few rubberbands that he claims are fitness tools and a stupid video where you dance around like a fool will never do you any good. and didn't he have his stomache stapled, little hypicritical if you ask me.

but anyway back to the topic, I had watched a video talking about the marvels of gene doping and how it could make mice apair to be double muscled with no extra work. the product was called igf-1. another letdown if you ask me.
 
What is interesting is that if this pill that makes you go 77% longer comes out on the black market anytime soon and then non professional sports people start using it and start performing at above professional standard in the local park/gym on a sunday morning who would want to watch the mainstream sport on tv if its feats are inforior to what joe public is doing. IMO sports need to move with the times and go public that they already juice etc. Why we dont have a offical "come as you want" olympic games i dont know - i bet loads me people would be interested in watching it - people love seeing the extra ordinary
 
rockstar6181 said:
What is interesting is that if this pill that makes you go 77% longer comes out on the black market anytime soon and then non professional sports people start using it and start performing at above professional standard in the local park/gym on a sunday morning who would want to watch the mainstream sport on tv if its feats are inforior to what joe public is doing. IMO sports need to move with the times and go public that they already juice etc. Why we dont have a offical "come as you want" olympic games i dont know - i bet loads me people would be interested in watching it - people love seeing the extra ordinary
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That's the problem..people that are surprised when athletes get caught with enhancement technologies are just burying their heads in the sand.

One of the BIGGEST ethical questions is how to keep Olympic athletics free from this technology...and how to keep interest in any sport if your local high school athlete (enhanced) will out perform world class athletes that are not enhanced. My personal belief is that we are near the end of competition as we know it.
 
mr.nitro said:
don't even get me started on richard simmons. in my oppinion he is one of the biggest con artist in the fitness world. I think about all the obeice women who had purchased one of his video's with a false hope of changeing thier life. if your 100lbs or more overweight a few rubberbands that he claims are fitness tools and a stupid video where you dance around like a fool will never do you any good. and didn't he have his stomache stapled, little hypicritical if you ask me.
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You may have him confused with someone else. Richard's message has been "Diet and Exercise" for decades. Remember the deal-a-meal program? It was a simple, card-based system to help people eat a balanced diet.

Fads come and go, and Richard has always said: "Diet and exercise". Celebrities pimp-out abdominizers and thigh-masters, and Richard said: "Diet and Exercise". The grapefruit seed and popcorn diet hit, and Richard said: "Diet and Exercise".

Richard isn't appropriate for evan a moderate health enthusiast, but that's not his market. He wants the fatties (particularly older ones) who need his message the most. Remember that the health benefits of a 260 lb fattie getting down to 220 is vastly better than a 220 lb in-shape person getting down to 208 for a show.
 
mrplunkey said:
You may have him confused with someone else. Richard's message has been "Diet and Exercise" for decades. Remember the deal-a-meal program? It was a simple, card-based system to help people eat a balanced diet.

Fads come and go, and Richard has always said: "Diet and exercise". Celebrities pimp-out abdominizers and thigh-masters, and Richard said: "Diet and Exercise". The grapefruit seed and popcorn diet hit, and Richard said: "Diet and Exercise".

Richard isn't appropriate for evan a moderate health enthusiast, but that's not his market. He wants the fatties (particularly older ones) who need his message the most. Remember that the health benefits of a 260 lb fattie getting down to 220 is vastly better than a 220 lb in-shape person getting down to 208 for a show.
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This is a debate I thought I'd never see on here. I can die now...
 
2evil said:
This is a debate I thought I'd never see on here. I can die now...
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Well the reality is a fit, healthy 20 year old male with 12% bodyfat using juice to gain 15 more lbs of muscle and get to 7% bodyfat isn't that much of a health improvement.

But the bigger improvement is the 280 lb fattie getting down into that 220 lb range. It's an issue of relative improvement.
 
mrplunkey said:
Well the reality is a fit, healthy 20 year old male with 12% bodyfat using juice to gain 15 more lbs of muscle and get to 7% bodyfat isn't that much of a health improvement.

But the bigger improvement is the 280 lb fattie getting down into that 220 lb range. It's an issue of relative improvement.
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No doubt. Just a funny one for this site...
 
w/e bro...maybe if you are a politition or some rich assed mofo or the governments says you are important....you will have access to them.
They can cure cancer and aids RIGHT NOW among most of if not all disease........do you have access? theres to much money in death and drugs for the dying to keep people healthy.........
 
champion said:
w/e bro...maybe if you are a politition or some rich assed mofo or the governments says you are important....you will have access to them.
They can cure cancer and aids RIGHT NOW among most of if not all disease........do you have access? theres to much money in death and drugs for the dying to keep people healthy.........
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Actually a man was recently cured of AIDS ( bone marrow transplant ) and it has been all over the news. HIV is no longer a death sentence...for all intents and purposes it has already been cured.
Cancer is a different animal but nanotechnology holds the promise for this ailment.

The average life expectancy has NEVER been as high as it is now. That is a direct result of science. Take care of yourself and expect to live a very long time.....

Hey, anything that can keep Richard Simmons alive for another 1,000 years can't be that bad...can it?
 
kcdoubleeagleplatinum said:
Many who follow the emerging sciences of genetic engineering and nanotechnology understand that the current technology (HGH, STEROIDS,ETC.) will soon be obsolete. The reasons I have begun testosterone therapies are two-fold 1) to keep my body and mind young with current technology until gene therapies makes their way into the mass marketplace (probably within 10 years) 2) ease my transition into the nanotechnology era when humans will merge with machines ( within 25 years ).. nanobots will course through our bloodstreams keeping us healthy, fit and young...fighting and curing most known diseases...life spans will be radically increased.

Sounds like sci-fi but most prominent scientists are absolutely CONVINCED we will see this happen within a relatively short period of time.

So......let's stay young and healthy until the wonders of technology take us all to the next step!
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well id like to be the first yo try the GBGT grizly bear gene therapy.
 
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in the yearrrrr two thoussssssssaaaaaaannnnnnnnddddddd - sounds like that bit that conan does every once in a while on the late show ha
 
I slept with a hooker who gave me crabs, at night while i'm sleeping the work me out like a personal trainer and I wake up in the morning freakin jacked.
 
kcdoubleeagleplatinum said:
Many who follow the emerging sciences of genetic engineering and nanotechnology understand that the current technology (HGH, STEROIDS,ETC.) will soon be obsolete. The reasons I have begun testosterone therapies are two-fold 1) to keep my body and mind young with current technology until gene therapies makes their way into the mass marketplace (probably within 10 years) 2) ease my transition into the nanotechnology era when humans will merge with machines ( within 25 years ).. nanobots will course through our bloodstreams keeping us healthy, fit and young...fighting and curing most known diseases...life spans will be radically increased.

Sounds like sci-fi but most prominent scientists are absolutely CONVINCED we will see this happen within a relatively short period of time.

So......let's stay young and healthy until the wonders of technology take us all to the next step!
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I think you're absolutely right. It will happen soon..and its awesome, but scary too..

Have you ever read cyber punk books?
 
No, it'll take another generation or two.

New discoveries are made everyday, things take forever to be implemented - just look at FDA controlled processes, the moral issues with genetic engineering that will ultimately hinder its success.

We can be optimistic but lets be realistic.
 
UA_Iron said:
No, it'll take another generation or two.

New discoveries are made everyday, things take forever to be implemented - just look at FDA controlled processes, the moral issues with genetic engineering that will ultimately hinder its success.

We can be optimistic but lets be realistic.
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Well...isn't AICAR gene therapy? Won't take a generation or two for that to hit the streets....you can already purchase for research. Gene therapy will soon be mainstream.
 
Chrisco915 said:
LOL...........come on................they are using it quite effectively on Star Trek, Stargate SG-1 and many other shows on the Sci-fi Channel right now. :)
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The time between proof of concept to commercialization = teh suck.

It always costs 10 times too much and takes 5 times too long.

Unless it's a drug, then it takes 50 times too much and 20 times too long.

And some never even make it. I've watched non-invasive continuous blood pressure management eat at least $120M in investor capital. I've watched non-invasive blood glucose monitoring eat well over $250M. Non-contact apnea monitoring has probably eaten a good 60$-100$M too.

Fun fun fun!
 
mrplunkey said:
The time between proof of concept to commercialization = teh suck.

It always costs 10 times too much and takes 5 times too long.

Unless it's a drug, then it takes 50 times too much and 20 times too long.

And some never even make it. I've watched non-invasive continuous blood pressure management eat at least $120M in investor capital. I've watched non-invasive blood glucose monitoring eat well over $250M. Non-contact apnea monitoring has probably eaten a good 60$-100$M too.

Fun fun fun!
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Not sure how this applies to what I said.
 
Chrisco915 said:
Not sure how this applies to what I said.
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Oh, I made the mental jump. I was thinking about all the creative ideas those shows have and was thinking about the difference between a neat idea and developing its proof of concept. A lot of inventors do proof of concept models on the benchtop. Well that got me thinking about how much going from the first proof of concept to productization sucks.

I'll confess, I was just stitting here waxing philosophically about "Star-Trek" ideas, because both non-invasive continuous BP measurement and non-invasive glucose monitoring were pitched as "Star-Trek" ideas when they tried to raise money for it.
 
mrplunkey said:
Oh, I made the mental jump. I was thinking about all the creative ideas those shows have and was thinking about the difference between a neat idea and developing its proof of concept. A lot of inventors do proof of concept models on the benchtop. Well that got me thinking about how much going from the first proof of concept to productization sucks.

I'll confess, I was just stitting here waxing philosophically about "Star-Trek" ideas, because both non-invasive continuous BP measurement and non-invasive glucose monitoring were pitched as "Star-Trek" ideas when they tried to raise money for it.
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Mental jump to 'warp'.....but I get you and agree.

I was not aware of that.
 
Chrisco915 said:
Mental jump to 'warp'.....but I get you and agree.

I was not aware of that.
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I used to evaluate these train-wreck investments and try to salvage any viable pieces of the companies. A lot of times, there was a decent arm of the company that got wrecked by all the overspending in R&D that didn't pan-out.
 
People were living 3-400 years, even I think it was 959 years old was the oldest living man , Methusela(sp) thousands of years ago if you read the bible. :)
Gene therapy is pretty interesting. how come someone hasn't tried the AICAR? I double dog dare someone... I guess it's inevitable just like the one world gov't. That should be interesting...
 
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