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smoking trees on cycle

al420 said:
Well you should go on... go on and read a recent study that completely pwns those studies above...studies from the fucking 70's...are you joking, or are you just a joke?

This kind of shit is hilarious...

Quadsweep, a Mod here, and probably our most accomplished BB (national level), smokes daily from what I remember. I think he is about 4% BF right now - feew weeks out from a National Show.


Yeah I remember when my health teacher told me smoking weed causes gyno.
 
Bozwell said:
note thet 1977-1979 date try and find somthing a bit more modern
Not a problem, current research is being led by the French:

Revue / Journal Title
Toxicology (Toxicology) ISSN 0300-483X CODEN TXICDD
Source / Source
2005, vol. 206, no3, pp. 471-478 [8 page(s) (article)] (1 p.1/4)
Résumé / Abstract
The progesterone 17α-hydroxylase activity… was significantly inhibited Δ[9]-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA)- and cannabidiolic acid (CBDA)-strains. Testosterone 6β- and 16a-hydroxylase activities together with androstenedione formation from testosterone in rat liver microsomes were also significantly inhibited by the crude marijuana extracts and the cannabinoids. Crude marijuana extracts (1 and 10 μg/ml) of THCA strain stimulated the proliferation of MCF-7 cells, although the purified cannabinoids (THC, CBD and CBN) did not show significant effects, such as the extract at the concentration of 0.01-1000 nM. These results indicate that there are some metabolic interactions between cannabinoid and steroid metabolism and that the constituents showing estrogen-like activity exist in marijuana.

Rest assured, my expertise on these boards goes beyond cut and pasting.....
 
apbt14 said:
I just don't understand how sucking smoke into your lungs can be considered healthy.

It's not. It just that some of us like to avoid the pain of being human, thus our use of mind and/or physique altering substances. Windows 3.11 always wanted to be Windows Vista!
 
Knights2 said:
how many of you guys smoke some trees on cycle? i never even tried the shit but my traninng buddy said since he wont drink on cycle he just smokes instead. so kinda curious


smoking trees dehydrates you so it defeats the purpose of putting on healthy muscle, your muscles need fluid and if depleated of that from smoking trees why bother spend the money on a cycle and all that time in the gym. In addition to that smoking trees excessively can cause gyno in males add estrogen and cortisol increases from AAS and training and this is very bad combination
 
Welllllllllll nowwwww! :) Yes I smoke....I smoke a lot. It helps me feel less pain from being so drained on the diet. I do not while working ever. I do when I train when I am not dieting but at this point it puts me down too much. The studies listed were done on rats...I am not a rat. (in any way shape or form I might add!) I assure you I am not estrogenic at all and I do not get gyno from herb...neither does anyone else. One study says this another refutes it!who fuckin cares! Let me smoke my weed and chill at home and leave me the fuck alone about it as I do not affect anyone elses life with it....Sorry rant! Smoke away those who like and for those that don't....don't.


Quadsweep
 
Quadsweep said:
Welllllllllll nowwwww! :) Yes I smoke....I smoke a lot. It helps me feel less pain from being so drained on the diet. I do not while working ever. I do when I train when I am not dieting but at this point it puts me down too much. The studies listed were done on rats...I am not a rat. (in any way shape or form I might add!) I assure you I am not estrogenic at all and I do not get gyno from herb...neither does anyone else. One study says this another refutes it!who fuckin cares! Let me smoke my weed and chill at home and leave me the fuck alone about it as I do not affect anyone elses life with it....Sorry rant! Smoke away those who like and for those that don't....don't.


Quadsweep

finally
 
if you are putting 500+ a week of exogenous testosterone in your body, do you honestly think a joint or two (or even a OZ, no fuck that, even a QP) is going to depress and cancel out all that testosterone?

also, if THC has estrogenic properties, i.e. binds to estrogen receptors and the like, who hasn't made this connection? you ingest anti-estrogens/AI's throughout your cycle, right?

on another note, it does seem like the day i quit smoking (everyday, all day), my gains shot through the roof.....could be chemical, could be mental, could be physical, could be magical.

now i think i'll get off my ass and do something productive.
 
todoveritas said:
Not a problem, current research is being led by the French:

Revue / Journal Title
Toxicology (Toxicology) ISSN 0300-483X CODEN TXICDD
Source / Source
2005, vol. 206, no3, pp. 471-478 [8 page(s) (article)] (1 p.1/4)
Résumé / Abstract
The progesterone 17α-hydroxylase activity… was significantly inhibited Δ[9]-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA)- and cannabidiolic acid (CBDA)-strains. Testosterone 6β- and 16a-hydroxylase activities together with androstenedione formation from testosterone in rat liver microsomes were also significantly inhibited by the crude marijuana extracts and the cannabinoids. Crude marijuana extracts (1 and 10 μg/ml) of THCA strain stimulated the proliferation of MCF-7 cells, although the purified cannabinoids (THC, CBD and CBN) did not show significant effects, such as the extract at the concentration of 0.01-1000 nM. These results indicate that there are some metabolic interactions between cannabinoid and steroid metabolism and that the constituents showing estrogen-like activity exist in marijuana.

Rest assured, my expertise on these boards goes beyond cut and pasting.....

1. Fuck the french
2. Nice cut/ paste

Quad has spoken...and he is real... 3.9%'ish real... Natl level .... Who are you? Maybe if they do a studys on Gorillas... then we will listen.
 
Knights2 said:
how many of you guys smoke some trees on cycle? i never even tried the shit but my traninng buddy said since he wont drink on cycle he just smokes instead. so kinda curious


bad idea IMO but many do it and claim no problems. personal decision i guess.
 
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