dude this is the problem everytime you talk to me jk, and your great at heart, you ask me if i cheat and do this and that. man i mean what i say and i do what i say. i eat what i want till i fucking grow. period. if an ab isn't there one day or week i live with it as long as the pipes are growing and people think i am making progress. i don't worry about getting fat when i am not even close to that. your talking about 4 abs and shit, just start and quit making this difficult. what works for me might do nada for some. many guys can pound in cals from shakes and fast food and grow. i need lean beef fish and chicken and thats it. the rest i swear to you i shit out so quit asking me to one more time go over your diet. i am not a diet guy man i am just not. i know cycles from experience and lots of research and discussion, i do know training, but the only thing i know about diet is what works for me and i don't eat to healthy and i'm lucky its not hurting me at this young age. just find a way to grow. eat train sleep and quit the worrying. if you get a bit hefty you know we can cut you up so chill. even arnold blew up from time to time, it fucking happens bro. i am an anomaly, someone who only gets small and more shredded if i don't train even if i eat like a pig with all sweets. shit i get small if i don't eat meat simple fucking concept bro