Well it worries me when you say you could do it with roids when you can eat without them. However if posting what i eat everyday though i would never say it works for non ectos. But make a separate thread and we will outline what we are eating if that helps. I have my girl yell at me if i don't eat all the meat and i pre cook it so i have no cop out. If you will post pics and then eat like you say you are, post pics again in a month i will answer any question you have regardless. But you have to help me help you bro.