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BEEFCAKEZ

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22 years old, 190 lbs, 6'. Will be second cycle after an almost 2 year break.

1-9 tren enth 400 ew
1-12 test enth 400 ew
1-4 and 8-12 tbol 50 ed
1-14 hcg 2x 250 ew
14-20 clomid/nolva

Run now during summer cut, run now and bulk or wait till fall? Really want to start the cycle. Got it all laying around. Ill get some pics up :-)

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Build a Base before touching anything else, you need to learn to train until you puke and eat like a Horse!
Now Put that Crap away, it will last a good 7 yrs if you store if in a cool dark place.
 
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Well im not gonna stop cutting now early summer :-)

I look smaller in those pics than real life I think.. Im gonna run the cycle either way most likely, just want some advice.

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I don't think AAS is something you need to be doing right now. You look good right now, but with the right kind of diet and training program, you can look GREAT! What are your max lifts right now?
 
Bro I'm betting you have a fast metabolism... If I were you I would take advantage of that and eat like a horse.. Even a few weight gainers. But not really sure what your goals are.
 
The boys are right bro , you need to put on some size before you consider a cycle . ( which should not contain tren at this stage )

whats weight are you ?

thatbloke: where's them superman jocks you love...ha ha sorry bro.
 
BEEFCAKEZ, @ your age I wouldn't take steriods @ all. Please listen to the veterans on here; they know their stuff. Concentrate on basic lifts & strength for 4-5 more years please. When you finally add a light cycle later on, you'll be thankful.
 
Haha expected a few comments like that :-) dont worry, ill take u seriously..

Actually my bf is not that low. All pics are flexed and unpumped, so bf seems low. Ill throw up a couple pics from bulking this fall.

Diet has been shit, not nearly enough protein. About 2500 down to 1500 calories after a few months cut. 60/25/15 ratio of carbs, protein and fat. Haven't had the money for at least 200g of protein in there in shakes every day.

Dont worry I work out hard. Dead, squat. Heavy.

Why would I be thankful by adding more muscle and then cycle? I already did a test only cycle almost 2 years ago. My receptors are probably shot already for that first cycle boom.

Im thinking this. 30 lbs bucket of protein, loads of carbs, and cycle in about august.
 
what do deadlift and squat?

honestly bro, shakes are not the way... you only need one, maybe 2 a day at the most... you need to be eating beef, chicken, fish, eggs and milk for protein... calories down from 2500??? i cut for my avi pic on 3500 calories... i do have a very fast metabolism, but i would still suggest at least 3000 to make gains... if you cannot afford food, your cycle will be a disaster... a 30lb bucket of protein powder will not cut it... id say i eat at least $100 worth of food a week, so if you can't afford somthing around that, there is just no use...
cycling should be a long term commitment... you will lose what you gain if you go back to that diet, so make sure you have a job or means of income to support your plans... this is an expensive sport...
 
Dont worry, I can afford that now. Couldn't before. I was thinking like 3 shakes a day (around 180 g protein) and a few cans of tuna.. The rest is normal lean food with lots of carbs and some protein, like meat, potatoes, rice, pizza ect..

3500 calories enough on cycle? My metabolism is actually kinda slow. What u see on pics have taken months of dieting and cardio.. With shitty protein intake though.. First time ive ever seen my sixpack.. Last cycle I ate too much and basically got fat. Shitty diet too.. More pics from today :-)
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you need real food first and foremost and then throw in the shakes as a drink with them, not as a meal replacement (a lot of protein shake jugs even tell you to not use it as a meal replacement) .. moya is right.

a PWO meal should be something like baked salmon/chicken, veggies, and brown rice. if you cannot afford a quality meal like that ED after a workout then this sport is not for you and you shouldn't be on steroids at all.

you should eat every 2 hours during the day and should be mentally thinking of building muscle mass. do not worry about counting protein, JUST FOCUS ON EATING. your first though in the morning should be "what am i gonna eat?"

i suggest you get some carbs in your body right off the bat. some pancakes in the morning with honey will put on weight trust me.
 
His goal might not be all out bulk, sounds like he wants to stay lean for the summer. I'd keep the carbs moderate and eat a ton of protein. IMO you should count the protein. I like to try to get close to 400g of protein per day especially while keepin my carbs moderate/low. And healthy fats, get enough of them too.

But this 1500 calorie diet is shit. I get close to that in protein alone
 
You have a good frame but AAS would be a waste. There's too little to stick to! Train hard. Add some BIG BLAST and BRIDGE and you'll see great gains Eat more eggs and chicken. You'll grow.
 
Nelson Montana said:
You have a good frame but AAS would be a waste. There's too little to stick to! Train hard. Add some BIG BLAST and BRIDGE and you'll see great gains Eat more eggs and chicken. You'll grow.
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This made me gag. I just ate 3 whole eggs and about 7 oz. chicken breast :)
 
with a frame like that you'll never add anything, because you don't know how to diet ,its not all just tuna ,eggs and stuff,you need foods full of micro nutrients,Omega 3 fatty acids and such.the body holds fat if it doesn't get enough.
 
Am I the only one who is going to call BS on 190lbs? 175 when your soaking wet maybe no fucking way you're 190 you look scrawnier than shit.
 
400 g of protein? For a non juicer? Sounds hella much, I calculated my protein to be around 250 g, with 80g of carbs and 40 g of fat if it was optimal. You guys keep telling me to eat, and pancakes.. ?

Its not carb intake that is my problem, it is getting enough protein without shakes. And trust me, imho over 2000 for me just wont work if I want to see progress in cutting. I can probably bulk at 3000 if I wanted to. Gain fat easily, specially if protein is too low. Too many carbs or fats will go to waste into bodyfat.

Why is it bs to cycle this early? Gains will come on matter when I cycle.
 
^^^^ cuz like i've said twice on this thread. you will not get the benefits of deca without enough carbs.

i'm not saying pancakes from mcdonalds, I'm saying making your own pancakes at home fresh. I was way skinnier than you, I was an endurance runner for 2 years btw so trust me on this.. carbs are the answer for you. you are not getting enough complex carbs, healthy fats like RADAR said, and protein.. you need all of that when you bulk.

bro I understand where you are coming from and I get your thinking.. but you need to throw that out the window.. the way you've been eating is WRONG for this sport. its great for someone who wants to be healthy and sport a low bf%, but it won't amount to nothing if you want to bulk and build mass and strength.
 
cuthroat said:
Am I the only one who is going to call BS on 190lbs? 175 when your soaking wet maybe no fucking way your 190 you look scrawnier than shit.
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scales lie we all know that.

everyone says I am 200+ pounds.. I weigh just 185.

i could easily come on here and say I am 205 and you all would believe me.
 
Yeah scale probably lie, and I havent weighed myself in a while. Wild guess.

Anyway, here's some pics from this winter after bulk, no juice.

Squat 300, dead 350, bench 250.

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From your pics it looks like you can fine tune your diet and put on some size without much fat. Talk to Radar bout the diet
 
do you even lift bra?
 
if you haven't weighed in a while I would guess you were 6 foot and somewhere in the 170's with 8-11% bf.

dont worry about putting on body fat, just focus on bulking right now. you can cut down later on, you have a lot of room to grow.

its much easier IMO for someone skinny to bulk and look good, then it is for an overweight person to cut down then bulk back up... so lets set you up on a diet and training program for the 9-12 months then lets worry about juicing.

PM me and I will be glad to set u up on a bulking program.
 
I remember when I first complained I couldn't get any weight, I thought I had tried everything. But then I actually counted my calories, I was barely getting over 2000 :O. I'm 5'9" and got to a 420 lb squat, 485 deadlift and a 315 bench and I am DEFINITELY an ectomorph. Whole milk, chicken, brown rice, ground turkey and eggs were my diet staple for bulking. They should be a part of your diet as well.
 
Well I'm an endomorph. Can down 5000 cals a day and still be hungry, but it will also make me a fat fuck. I don't want bulking advice if it involves getting to a bf over 20%. No offence, but I don't walk to get the look of your avi stevesmi. Been there on last cycle. Yup I lost alot of muscle, most likely.


I want to bulk with high numbers of protein, carbs and fat. About a 40/40/20 ratio, with at least 300 grams of protein.

But this cycle will happen. All I want is advice. Cut further for summer, start lean bulking now (max 4000 kcal) on cycle OR lean bulking after summer on cycle. Don't worry. I AM listening.

And no, I am about 175 lbs bone dry. Weighed myself now.
 
BEEFCAKEZ said:
Well I'm an endomorph. Can down 5000 cals a day and still be hungry, but it will also make me a fat fuck.

ya lost me here.

I don't want bulking advice if it involves getting to a bf over 20%.

we're not saying eat fast food and fried chicken all day.. we are saying eat good fats, complex carbs and solid protein.

No offence, but I don't walk to get the look of your avi stevesmi. Been there on last cycle. Yup I lost alot of muscle, most likely.

well if you looked like me last cycle your weight would of been somewhere around 225 at 6 feet cause I am only 5 6 and 185.. so your PCT must have sucked and you aren't eating and working out hard enough to lose 50 pounds of pure muscle.


I want to bulk with high numbers of protein, carbs and fat. About a 40/40/20 ratio, with at least 300 grams of protein.

isn't that what we are trying to get you to do?

But this cycle will happen. All I want is advice. Cut further for summer, start lean bulking now (max 4000 kcal) on cycle OR lean bulking after summer on cycle. Don't worry. I AM listening.

cut what? you are already skinny. what are you gonna cut?
And no, I am about 175 lbs bone dry. Weighed myself now.

ummmm yeah that is what we suspected, you definately aren't 190, and for your height you should be pushing 200 before you even sniff roids
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in bold.. tried to be as specific as possible and answer your points, hopefully it makes sense.. otherwise I am at a loss for words

at your size and the diet you are on you have got to be out of your mind to run tren. you are just gonna set yourself up for severe recovery issues and a dissapointing cycle. you came on here for advice and there is a consensus of

1. fix your diet
2. fix your workouts
3. gain about 25 pounds

you do not seem to want to listen to anyones advice and want to do your own thing so really I will bow out of this thread and wish you luck in your gamble
 
At least get your diet tuned in for a couple months before the cycle. You could probably make better gains in those few months without aas than what you're doing now + aas
 
The best decision I ever made was to allow a group of guys get to know me. In doing so they cared enough to tell me NO, even when I did not want to hear it. I was making gains in my late twenties at a pace where people thought I was juicing.
 
Why would recovery be harder now than later?

If I were to bulk naturally, I am worried my test levels are messed up from last time. Always have that in the back of my mind. Feel that my boys never bounced back to the size they were :-/
 
recovery is harder when you dont have a solid base to start with... you are skinny, your bulking pics just look like you just bloated...
the longer you hold onto muscle, the more the chances you have of keeping it during recovery... fresh muscle is easily lost...
you do not look like an endomorph... just like you were ignorant of your own bodyweight, you need to not be scared to gain a LITTLE bit of fat in the process...
 
dude there is NO WAY you are 190lbs. im about your height and im 188 in my avi. you look like your probably 160, maybe 170. You dont need juice. It doesnt sound like your gonna listen. but you need to just work harder and eat more for a while.
 
What do you guys think about a couple months lean bulk and then cycle? Clomid/nolva to make sure test is up to date?
 
You need to learn how to eat the right way or u aren't ever gonna grow into a bigger person. Unless u are gaining natty u aren't gonna have a successful cycle.


Pics don't do people justic people never beleive my weight in pics but always can in real life so if u really are 190 I'm sure u look a little better in person.
 
You guys just need to stop.. He obviously isn't going to listen.. Just let him do what he wants. Everyone on here is telling him the same shit and he's still saying how about I go lean then do the cycle in a few months.. Get the body type right. Your no endomorph either. And if you gain fat that easily than you need to watch your diet better.. Plain and simple.. It's ok a gain a bit of fat if you are doing things good. It's another thing to eat like crap and gain weight(fat)...
 
Is this thread for real? I'm hoping someone has a really good sense of humor....

Why ask for advice if you are just going to debate it? If you know the answer you're looking for then you probably shouldn't bother asking the question. Just a little life advice.

As for the cycle, I won't beat the horse. Agree w multiple preceding posts.
 
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ummmm... please tell me you didn't just tell a female member to stfu?

female members don't post much on here so when they do you act like a gentleman, you drive them away and you will find yourself out of here fast. take a little timeout and think about it then come back.
 
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yeah that won't be tolerated on here... female members are already intimidated posting on the AAS board, the last thing we need is them being bullied away.
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What im saying is he probably "knows" the poster and said it as a joke. Any other situation just doesn't make sense to me. If he was being serious and the female poster has no idea who that nugga is ban him lol.
 
Great topic to read, another example of someone without a clue and needs a quick fix.

Your moaning you dont want to train natural because you fear your test levels are fuckd from your last cycle?? So basicaly your admiting you got it wrong the first time, now we can try and help you for your second time but if your not going to lsiten dont waste our time. If you cant put muscle on natural cos your test levels are fukd do you honestly think youl be able to support 20lbs of new muscle after your cycle when your test levels are even worse than before after another great Clomid, Nolva, i dont know what im talking about PCT??. Grow up mate. Your cutting on a frame thats not lean... its skinny. Add muscle before you waste your time cutting. Your pics looks like youv been lifting for 6 months half arsed on a low calorie diet and like the way your abs look in good lighting. If you cant afford good quality foods now or quality proteins dont even go near tren. itl kill you, seriously. Even after your proposed couple of months of bulking, get a grip and do a couple more when you hit 200lbs come back to us and ask for advice on a cycle.


Also your on abt getting fat while bulking? Thats the dumbest thing I hear on here. If you bulk clean I bet you can add just as much muscle as you do fat in your first few months which will keep the visable fat gains to a minimum. After all, what you gonna do? cut for the rest of your life??


Harry
 
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lol am i the only guy laughing at the pics this guy keeps posting?
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Nah, I don't laugh at people because nobody has the perfect body. But AAS are NOT FOR YOU OP!!!! You'll be wasting gear if you do. No nolva/clomid/tren/test/cockoil/anavar/arimidex/eq/any sort of AAS until you know how to diet correctly. We're just trying to help you out, not push you down :) good luck buddy and keep the training going strong....without the needle.
 
Well, i've decided to go the natural way. At least for a few months, and then come back on and see.

Anyone willing to help me bulk up LEAN, will be appreciated. Thanks for showing me the right way guys :-)
 
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lol am i the only guy laughing at the pics this guy keeps posting?
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lets not flame people, the guy is a newb and has a ways to go... lets show him the way, he seems to be finally willing to listen so lets not make fun of him.

I used to be skinnier than him at one point btw. no one is born with muscles
 
love the hair and undies... you could possibly be the next zyzz ;)
 
BEEFCAKEZ said:
400 g of protein? For a non juicer? Sounds hella much, I calculated my protein to be around 250 g, with 80g of carbs and 40 g of fat if it was optimal. You guys keep telling me to eat, and pancakes.. ?
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You're right. For a guy like you who looks like you've barely if ever seen the inside of a weight room, 400 grams of protein a day is "hella much".

And I agree that you don't look 190. I also dispute that you're an endomorph. Ectomorph more like it...unless you cut down from a 270 lb. fatty. Impressive to do so with no stretch marks.

If you're 6' tall, I'd say in the first photos you posted you look to be around 165 lbs. Internet weight translates to 190 though, so I see how you got that.

You need to "go the natural way" for way more than at least a few months. Try at least a few years. Seriously bro, you look like you barely work out. If you already did a cycle, I'm sorry you wasted that cycle. If it was 2 years ago, don't worry about your present recovery state. You're fine. Your HPTA doesn't even remember that cycle.

Basic rule for bulking is 2 grams of protein per (actual) pound of body weight minimum. I've seen guys bulk (gain muscle) on high protein diets and lose fat or maintain a low body fat %.

You've got a lot of learning to do. I suggest you humble yourself a bit here and listen to some bros who've been doing this a lot longer than you. Ol radar here's been doing this longer than you've been alive. He was through with it before you knew what to do with it.
 
I wasn't trying to be harsh or gang up, I just think if you're gonna post you've gotta be open to the feedback...and this kid seems like he is now, which is good.

Good luck with hitting the weights and rounding out the nutrition! I'm sure you have plenty of help here but happy give nutrition tips via PM.

CB

PS I didn't even know what stfu stood for -- thought it was a typo ;) no stress!
 
Cutiebolic said:
I wasn't trying to be harsh or gang up, I just think if you're gonna post you've gotta be open to the feedback...and this kid seems like he is now, which is good.

Good luck with hitting the weights and rounding out the nutrition! I'm sure you have plenty of help here but happy give nutrition tips via PM.

CB

PS I didn't even know what stfu stood for -- thought it was a typo ;) no stress!
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you did nothing wrong.. that other dude is taking a bath right now.

welcome to the board, glad to have you, if a member takes it upon themselves to be a punk to you again, let me or one of the other mods know and we will take care of them. we do not allow woman to be messed with on here period.
 
Can't believe this made it to 7 pages lol but if I paid enough attention sounds like the kid is gonna wait to do the roids which deserves a BRAVO...I'm a GIRL, your age... when I was 16 I have pictures of me when I began getting muscle naturally and (no offense here, just making a point) my arms got way bigger than yours. I ate clean as hell and lived in the gym. So don't be so quick to jump on the drugs. Plenty of people on here to help you.
 
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