Receptor Burnout? (Nelson/Needto)

[Ezekiel]

fact or fiction?

Is it possible to drop to a trt does of say 100mg test a wk. then up it to say 500 + and cycle for 12 wks. then back down to 100 for 1 wks. etc.
I have been trying to find out as much as I can about receptor burn out, however I really can't seem to find much info other then many ppl say it's real, but...

Thx in advance for your help. I I truely appreciate your expertise in these matters.

Blessings,

 

[Nelson Montana]

The argument is one of somantics. Receptors don't really burn out, but the body adapts to any exogenous influx and builds a tolerance to it. ANY drug becomes less effective after a while. Yes, it is possible to cycle on HRT (and I believe PCT should be a part of it) but there are other factors of which we don't completely understand. Too often, people think you just do A, B and C and it all works out. Sometimes it's best to use a little common sense and realize that the body can only handle so much manipulation before things get wacky.

 

[Ezekiel]

The argument is one of somantics. Receptors don't really burn out, but the body adapts to any exogenous influx and builds a tolerance to it. ANY drug becomes less effective after a while. Yes, it is possible to cycle on HRT (and I believe PCT should be a part of it) but there are other factors of which we don't completely understand. Too often, people think you just do A, B and C and it all works out. Sometimes it's best to use a little common sense and realize that the body can only handle so much manipulation before things get wacky.

Thank-You Sir!

 

[HAYEZ]

Taking a 1 week break won't be do anything. Take 6 weeks off and run 100 mg ew then cycle again. The gains will return

 

[Ezekiel]

Taking a 1 week break won't be do anything. Take 6 weeks off and run 100 mg ew then cycle again. The gains will return

Thx Hayez,

Guess I wasn't clear..

I wasn't suggesting taking one wk off.

I meant taking 100mg a wk. for 10-12 wks. then uping it again for 16 wks. kinda thing..

Blessings,

 

[Para_Shoot]

Isn't that the "Blast And Cruise" theory?

 

[sonicwaste]

The argument is one of somantics. Receptors don't really burn out, but the body adapts to any exogenous influx and builds a tolerance to it. ANY drug becomes less effective after a while. Yes, it is possible to cycle on HRT (and I believe PCT should be a part of it) but there are other factors of which we don't completely understand. Too often, people think you just do A, B and C and it all works out. Sometimes it's best to use a little common sense and realize that the body can only handle so much manipulation before things get wacky.

What do you mean by it is possible to cycle on HRT and I believe PCT should be part of it? what do you mean by the PCT part? I am trying to educate myself a bit more on proper implementation of HRT

 

[HAYEZ]

You don't need to take the much time off if your on hrt.
And you don't need to do pct while on hrt.
Hrt is hormone replacemnt therApy. Not mini low dose cruise with pct

 

[future]

Yeah it shouldnt be overcomplicated. Cycling is called such for a reason. PCT is what you should be doing after a cycle. You need to get off foreign compounds while stimulating your hypothalamus etc. I believe that you should be off for as long as you are on.

 

[sman275]

Yeah it shouldnt be overcomplicated. Cycling is called such for a reason. PCT is what you should be doing after a cycle. You need to get off foreign compounds while stimulating your hypothalamus etc. I believe that you should be off for as long as you are on.

Off=on+pct ????

 

[Nelson Montana]

What do you mean by it is possible to cycle on HRT and I believe PCT should be part of it? what do you mean by the PCT part? I am trying to educate myself a bit more on proper implementation of HRT

If you're on 100 mgs a week you can 6-8 week cycles( of a higher dose or an added compound) along the way. But not too often (maybe one or two a year) otherwise the HRT effectiveness can be compromised.

I believe in using PCT eevn when on HRT because it gets the body attempting to operate and make some hormones on its own, which is optimal. People mistakenly believe you don't need PCT because you're replacing test with HRT, but it's more than just having T, it's about MAKING T...and yes, you still make some while on HRT -- not much, but again, the body is meant to work.

You also need occasional HCG to keep the testes full and you need some a-dex to keep e in check, and I'd recommend UNLEASHED to keep SHBG at bay and have a better freeT ratio. That's pretty much PCT.

 

[sonicwaste]

If you're on 100 mgs a week you can 6-8 week cycles( of a higher dose or an added compound) along the way. But not too often (maybe one or two a year) otherwise the HRT effectiveness can be compromised.

I believe in using PCT eevn when on HRT because it gets the body attempting to operate and make some hormones on its own, which is optimal. People mistakenly believe you don't need PCT because you're replacing test with HRT, but it's more than just having T, it's about MAKING T...and yes, you still make some while on HRT -- not much, but again, the body is meant to work.

You also need occasional HCG to keep the testes full and you need some a-dex to keep e in check, and I'd recommend UNLEASHED to keep SHBG at bay and have a better freeT ratio. That's pretty much PCT.

I like it. I have plenty of HCG and Unleashed! Still got to learn some more about HRT but it is seemingly becoming a possible reality for me.

 

[needtogetaas]

Isn't that the "Blast And Cruise" theory?

Yes you can do a seach on the subject and I made a rather large thread about it.

 

[Ezekiel]

Off=on+pct ????

Thx for that..

I know the standard principles here boys..

I was just curious as to receptor burnout as you hear alot about it, but don't see any info to really back it up.

AS we all know at least one person who's on the 3 year cycle I was just intersted as to burnout..

Thx for everyone's input!

 

[HAYEZ]

Thx for that..

I know the standard principles here boys..

I was just curious as to receptor burnout as you hear alot about it, but don't see any info to really back it up.

AS we all know at least one person who's on the 3 year cycle I was just intersted as to burnout..

Thx for everyone's input!

there is a great article about this but i cannot post it...basicaLLY says your gains will stall at week 8 and if you stay at it by week 20 myostatin levels were back to normal and you could continue gaining again...

 

[Ezekiel]

there is a great article about this but i cannot post it...basicaLLY says your gains will stall at week 8 and if you stay at it by week 20 myostatin levels were back to normal and you could continue gaining again...

Hmm.. very interesting... I wouldn't mind reading that.

As it turns out, I am just going to go ahead w/ PCT. And take a hard look at this in the future..

Going to do aother bulker in Jan.. I already have everything on hand... It's hard to just look at it all and not continue to use it. lol