Protein intake question

[cure]

If you need a certain amount of calories to come from somewhere so you can maintain weight or lose weight where would you add calories? Carbs? Fat? Nope you'd add protein. That's the main reason why i consume 200-250g a day of protein and many others do as well.

 

[Jeus]

1-1,5 grams per kgr. of lean mass is a more logical amount.

Cure-if you are eating maintenance level calories, any macronutrient will do. Assuming you get sufficient protein, the amount of which has not been backed up from anyone pro-mega protein intake in this thread so far, anything will do as you're not going to make gains on muscle or fat anyway. Same goes for bulking or dieting. If your body can use x grams of protein while bulking to build new muscle, anything more will be stored as fat regardless if it somes from extra protein, carbs or fat. Same logic stand for dieting.

 

[Grizzly]

Arnold at least in his Encyclopedia, which as I've stated before, may or may not reflect his actual practices states he came to the conclusion that the vast amounts of protein he consumed in his early years of bodybuilding were not needed. Don't remember the amount he recommends to consume but it is fairly moderate(120g or so for a 200 lbs bodybuilder. I think)

When I get back into my own house, I'll have to look in the Encyclopoedia, but I don't remember that passage at all. In fact, I can specifically remember the phrase "1 gram per pound of bodyweight." How about in "Blood and Guts", Dorian Yates' book? He states that one should begin with a minimum of 1 gram/lb and work up from there.

 

[Jeus]

So what? We're talking about two completely illiterate people who couldn't even complete a sentence in English, juiced extensively and were probably sponsored by sup. comps. I can't believe there's no scientific data whatsoever, yet eveyone's quite happy to blindly accept it. I'm sorry, I can't accept anyone's trial and error. I spent a couple of hours searching the net and every *study* I found claiming one should consume such huge amounts of protein everyday was indeed sponsored by supplements companies.

 

[chaste]

If you need a certain amount of calories to come from somewhere so you can maintain weight or lose weight where would you add calories? Carbs? Fat? Nope you'd add protein. That's the main reason why i consume 200-250g a day of protein and many others do as well.

i just wanted to note something.

It doesn't matter where you get your calories from in terms of weight loss, whether it be protein, fat, carbs etc. A calorie is a calorie. The point is to not to exceed taking more calories than you expend.

As a matter of fact more carbs might be better for exercise than protein.

 

[Blood&Iron]

When I get back into my own house, I'll have to look in the Encyclopoedia, but I don't remember that passage at all. In fact, I can specifically remember the phrase "1 gram per pound of bodyweight." How about in "Blood and Guts", Dorian Yates' book? He states that one should begin with a minimum of 1 gram/lb and work up from there.

Took a look myself. We're both right in this instance. Arnold, or Bill Dobbin's,--who's to know who's words we're reading--states that many nutritionists suggest that no more than 1g per kg of protein is needed for bodybuilding(This is in bold) but that he thinks 1/g per lb is better(Also in bold). He says to use these as lower and upper bounds, respectively. This is still a fairly moderate intake IMO, and his sample diets fall in between these two figures in the amount of protein(He grossly overestimates the amount of protein in the protein sources listed in his meals though.)

 

[Grizzly]

Took a look myself. We're both right in this instance. Arnold, or Bill Dobbin's,--who's to know who's words we're reading--states that many nutritionists suggest that no more than 1g per kg of protein is needed for bodybuilding(This is in bold) but that he thinks 1/g per lb is better(Also in bold). He says to use these as lower and upper bounds, respectively. This is still a fairly moderate intake IMO, and his sample diets fall in between these two figures in the amount of protein(He grossly overestimates the amount of protein in the protein sources listed in his meals though.)

Well, I'd imagine that they're Arnold's words. Maybe it's just because I want them to be, but I would hypothesize that Arnold dictated most of it and Bill just typed it up and put it in better wording. I would agree that it is a moderate intake. I know I take in closer to 2 grams/lb, but I would definitely say that you should eat no less than .8 grams/lb. And, really, 1 gram/lb is freaking easy to get. For most people that's about 170-200 grams. Piece of cake. Couple cans of tuna, couple chicken boobs, a dozen egg whites and a scoop or two of protein powder. Hardly seems too exorbitant to me.

And, look at that, I've almost completely eliminated the supplement company from the equation. Look at that! High protein and no supplements needed, or moderate. Even with my 400-500 grams/day I only use 3 scoops of protein powder. I spend about $50 per month on powder. Hardly seems like a conspiracy to me.

 

[Blood&Iron]

Well, I'd imagine that they're Arnold's words. Maybe it's just because I want them to be, but I would hypothesize that Arnold dictated most of it and Bill just typed it up and put it in better wording. I would agree that it is a moderate intake. I know I take in closer to 2 grams/lb, but I would definitely say that you should eat no less than .8 grams/lb. And, really, 1 gram/lb is freaking easy to get. For most people that's about 170-200 grams. Piece of cake. Couple cans of tuna, couple chicken boobs, a dozen egg whites and a scoop or two of protein powder. Hardly seems too exorbitant to me.

And, look at that, I've almost completely eliminated the supplement company from the equation. Look at that! High protein and no supplements needed, or moderate. Even with my 400-500 grams/day I only use 3 scoops of protein powder. I spend about $50 per month on powder. Hardly seems like a conspiracy to me.

Hell, I was never one to say it was a conspiracy. There is simply a lack of evidence it is necessary. Despite that I usually get anywhere from 250g to 400g of protein a day, depending on whether I'm bulking or dieting. I'd rather error on the side of overconsumption than underconsumption.

 

[FitnessFrk]

I would bet the bank that Arnold wrote very little if any of the content in any of his books.

 

[Grizzly]

Hell, I was never one to say it was a conspiracy. There is simply a lack of evidence it is necessary. Despite that I usually get anywhere from 250g to 400g of protein a day, depending on whether I'm bulking or dieting. I'd rather error on the side of overconsumption than underconsumption.

Oh, the conspiracy thing wasn't aimed at you. It was aimed at eveyone else who seems to think that there is some sort of conspiracy. I could almost kiss you for that last part. That's what I say, too. It's always better to get too much protein than too little, so even if 400 is overkill it's better just because your body is certain to get, at least, enough protein.