Protein intake question

[Jeus]

I was wondering, exactly why if someone doesn't consume 1,5-2,0 grams/lb. of protein, protein every two hours etc. will lose muscle. If the body is never on catabolic state by eating any macronutrient, surely the body will not switch to protein for energy. Also, since the body can build only very, very small amounts of new muscle every day, protein needs can't be so incredibly high for that. Does anyone have a link for a proper scientific study, not sponsored by supplements manifacturers that proves that someone needs so much protein to maintain/grow?

 

[diamonddiceclay]

there is no scientific study showing how much protein can be used by the body at 1 time, however there are many studies on bodybuilders showing they need more protein than non bb'ers in order to build muscle-it may be 1.5 or 2 or whatever-the point is the more protein you take in, the better your results will be in muscle building

 

[Jeus]

Can someone point me to a study that proves that 'the bigger the protein intake of a body builder, the better results in muscle building'?. Surely, body builders need a better and more balanced diet than coach potatoes, hoewever, someone not lifting can very well live with minimal protein intake, why is it that someone who lifts needs vast amounts of protein?

 

[riskybizz007]

you wont find the study. Do yourself a favor, try it yourself. Go on a protein restricted diet 1 time, then try the 1.5-2.0/pound of body weight diet and see which would yield the better results. I've tried both and the 1-2g/pound of body weight works a hell of a lot better.

 

[Jeus]

Thanks for your suggestion, however it doesn't answer my question. Until someone does, the whole huge protein intake will remain as proven for me as 'I gained 40 lbs. of pure muscle using Cell tech in a week'

 

[Grizzly]

Ok, you obviously think that this is some sort of supplement company conspiracy. Fair enough. There's certainly a lot of garbage that those companies advance. However, huge supplement companies have only been around for 20 years or so, I think. Well, why did all of the bodybuilders prior to that and prior to the advertising hype still consume so much protein? Food for thought.

 

[chaste]

Can someone point me to a study that proves that 'the bigger the protein intake of a body builder, the better results in muscle building'?.

you need a certain amount of protein as you need other things for optimal exercise, but taking excessive amounts of protein does not directly affect your muscle mass. this is a nutrition myth.

you need about .8-1.0 grams of protein for evey kilogram you weigh.

in addition, too much protein does turn into fat.

 

[Jeus]

Ok, you obviously think that this is some sort of supplement company conspiracy. Fair enough. There's certainly a lot of garbage that those companies advance. However, huge supplement companies have only been around for 20 years or so, I think. Well, why did all of the bodybuilders prior to that and prior to the advertising hype still consume so much protein? Food for thought.

I don't think body builders back then consumed such huge amounts of protein. Not nearly as much. They were having chicken and egg whites etc. everyday but I can't believe they consumed 400-500gr of protein a day, still there were lots of big old skool BBs.

 

[Grizzly]

Dude, 400 grams is a piece of cake. 4 cans of tuna and 4 chicken breasts and you're there. I guarantee they ate that much. Arnold was pre-supplement company and he ate that much.

 

[Blood&Iron]

Dude, 400 grams is a piece of cake. 4 cans of tuna and 4 chicken breasts and you're there. I guarantee they ate that much. Arnold was pre-supplement company and he ate that much.

Arnold at least in his Encyclopedia, which as I've stated before, may or may not reflect his actual practices states he came to the conclusion that the vast amounts of protein he consumed in his early years of bodybuilding were not needed. Don't remember the amount he recommends to consume but it is fairly moderate(120g or so for a 200 lbs bodybuilder. I think)

Jeus-
The only studies of which I am indirectly aware have used protein levels of about 1-1.5 g per kg of lean mass. Look on medline if your really interested or search around on the web.